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Old September 2nd, 2015, 07:16 PM   #12681
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The current pedestrian zones have a 'cycling allowed' status.

One of the reasons why it's tight is due to the fact that it is a shopping street, not a residential street. There are shops with some items displayed out the front and a few restaurants with seating on the sidewalk.

The former N35 is quite narrow. There aren't even marked lanes. It wasn't a high-speed thoroughfare.

Scrapping parking will not generate much more usable space along the road, as there are large trees planted between the parking lots. So you can't put a bike path there.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 09:41 PM   #12682
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The current pedestrian zones have a 'cycling allowed' status.

One of the reasons why it's tight is due to the fact that it is a shopping street, not a residential street. There are shops with some items displayed out the front and a few restaurants with seating on the sidewalk.

The former N35 is quite narrow. There aren't even marked lanes. It wasn't a high-speed thoroughfare.

Scrapping parking will not generate much more usable space along the road, as there are large trees planted between the parking lots. So you can't put a bike path there.
Why not? Can't the road be narrower?


And even if this would not be the option, you could still cut the trees and plant new ones. Especially if it is a shopping street, it will probably undergo a complete overhaul anyway. There seems to be space enough, further on you can even see a car on the left side standing next to the buildings.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 10:12 PM   #12683
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considering the traffic volume seems light, why do anything?
I mean, no bicycle, no car there...
surely if one Geert rides his Daf on one side of the road and Wim rides on the other with a bicycle there is no issue
certainly nothing to spend probably million Euro on...
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 10:16 PM   #12684
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And even if this would not be the option, you could still cut the trees and plant new ones. Especially if it is a shopping street, it will probably undergo a complete overhaul anyway. There seems to be space enough, further on you can even see a car on the left side standing next to the buildings.
Ok some of the trees are not so close to the road https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.36544...!6m1!1e1?hl=pl
but some are very close https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.36546...!6m1!1e1?hl=pl so cuting the bushes is not enough.

But....why you want to do that? If there is no traffic now?
Why you want to cut this nice and big trees?
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 10:32 AM   #12685
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Don't fix what isn't broken. I don't understand the obsession with destroying/downgrading perfectly good roads.

That street is already narrow.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 11:26 AM   #12686
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That's completely all right I would say. I had it about things like this one.



And other cases when even already functioning bicycle infrastructure is scrapped and bicycles are pushed on the road. Or even just renovating the current situation to a bicycle street. When you realize how much money it costs, it would be much better to create a solution that would be clearly separating bicycles and other traffic and not this:

Things like this:

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I think it was safer if they made the road one-way for cars, with a two-ways bike lane on the side.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 05:24 PM   #12687
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If by safer you mean "so cars can achieve higher speeds", then yeah, sure.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 05:50 PM   #12688
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as a general rule, the faster the cars are going the safer the road is (just look at motorways...)
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 06:07 PM   #12689
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as a general rule, the faster the cars are going the safer the road is (just look at motorways...)
Not really. Motorways are safe not because cars drive at high speed but because there are no interferences. They would be a lot safer (a lot) if cars go at slower speed.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 06:12 PM   #12690
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as a general rule, the faster the cars are going the safer the road is (just look at motorways...)
Are you being obtuse deliberately, or are you just stupid?
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 06:18 PM   #12691
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If by safer you mean "so cars can achieve higher speeds", then yeah, sure.
No, because segregation between cars and bicycles reduces the risk of accidents.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 07:45 PM   #12692
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The most dangerous in US are arterials without proper pedestrian crossing and a central turning lane
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 09:23 PM   #12693
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Driving in Amsterdam, one of the worse combination of street routes - subway-related roadworks, bad cycle lane layout, insufficient tourist bus places etc. tec. Vijzelstraat and Rokin are as bad as it gets for everyone moving thing including the trams.

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Old September 4th, 2015, 09:40 AM   #12694
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Driving in Amsterdam, one of the worse combination of street routes - subway-related roadworks, bad cycle lane layout, insufficient tourist bus places etc. tec. Vijzelstraat and Rokin are as bad as it gets for everyone moving thing including the trams. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4tpWIFgFR8">YouTube Link</a>
Tourist busses should be banned there
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Old September 4th, 2015, 04:07 PM   #12695
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This is pretty bad behavior. Once one guy crossed into the closed connector ramp, everyone followed and ignored the big red Xs.

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Old September 5th, 2015, 03:22 PM   #12696
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Why was it closed?
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Old September 5th, 2015, 03:40 PM   #12697
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Accident in the connector ramp.
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Old September 5th, 2015, 08:54 PM   #12698
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Tourist busses should be banned there
It is complicated, as that area concentrates many larger hotels that cater for groups. Buses somehow have to reach the hotels.
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Old September 6th, 2015, 01:19 PM   #12699
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A very nice report by forum member Michiel of the status on the missing link A4-MD (Midden Deldfland or the middle of the Delfland polder). A part of the new road was opened for the public yesterday.

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Open dag op de A4, helaas was er maar een klein stukje van het informatiecentrum tot de Oostveenseweg opengesteld (ongeveer 1 km). De belangstelling was veel groter dan verwacht, oorspronkelijk waren er maar 120 plaatsen voor de rondleiding. Volgens de medewerker waren er na 1 dag al 200 aanmeldingen. In plaats van rondleidingen kon je nu zelfstandig over de route.

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Old September 6th, 2015, 04:08 PM   #12700
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What I wonder is how the Beneluxtunnel will hold up with the extra traffic !

They should put the wisselstrook in operation to add an extra lane of capacity in the most busy direction on busy hours ( or permanently northwards!).
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