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Old December 17th, 2015, 01:51 AM   #13041
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Not enough, you can never have to much infrastructure, in the end it'll always pay itself back due to better mobility.

Compared to how much motorists pay in direct taxes and fuel duty, it really is insufficient how little they back.
Only if the project is cheap enough and enough benefit to be worth that investment. Motorway/bridge-tunnel complex Lelystad-Reykjavik would be pretty stupid
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Old December 17th, 2015, 03:12 AM   #13042
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Don't give them any ideas.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 04:06 AM   #13043
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That's like the weirdos who set up shop around downtown Montreal street corners praising Lyndon LaRouche and the need to build a train tunnel across the Bering Strait while waving the obligatory poster of Adarack Obahitler... what in the hell?
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Old December 17th, 2015, 09:53 AM   #13044
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Only if the project is cheap enough and enough benefit to be worth that investment. Motorway/bridge-tunnel complex Lelystad-Reykjavik would be pretty stupid
2030 km.

Channel tunnel is 50 km and cost 18 billion euro in today's money.

So total cost would only be 730 billion. If a one way admission costs 100 euro, then every European would only have to make the trip 7x in a lifetime. Totally feasible. Let's do this.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 11:01 AM   #13045
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A4 Midden-Delfland

The new segment of A4 motorway between the cities of Delft and Schiedam will open tomorrow evening (direction north). Direction south will follow later that night.

Link to the news (in Dutch): http://nos.nl/artikel/2075711-verlen...vond-open.html
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Old December 17th, 2015, 11:47 AM   #13046
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That part of the A4 is also on Google maps now, but it's rather incomplete.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 03:28 PM   #13047
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Direction south will follow later that night.
Incorrect. Direction south will open on monday very early.

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In de nacht van zondag op maandag (vr de ochtendspits) de richting Schiedam.
During the night of sunday to monday (before morning rush-hour) in direction Schiedam
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Old December 17th, 2015, 04:07 PM   #13048
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That's like the weirdos who set up shop around downtown Montreal street corners praising Lyndon LaRouche and the need to build a train tunnel across the Bering Strait while waving the obligatory poster of Adarack Obahitler... what in the hell?
You know, I saw some Larouchies in Montreal in September 2006. I wanted to ask what they were doing in Canada. But I didn't because they would have told me.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 04:09 PM   #13049
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2030 km.

Channel tunnel is 50 km and cost 18 billion euro in today's money.

So total cost would only be 730 billion. If a one way admission costs 100 euro, then every European would only have to make the trip 7x in a lifetime. Totally feasible. Let's do this.
You'd need a few service areas along the route, complete with hotels....
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Old December 17th, 2015, 06:20 PM   #13050
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My Czech driver's license was nearing the expiration date, so I asked for the renewal. As I live in the Netherlands, I should get the Dutch driver's license.

I went to the city hall, filled the form, paid the money, gave them the photo etc..

Now, I got a letter from the Dutch driver's license authority institution, that I need to send them another form with an Statement of Health to get af Certification of Fitness and pay another 8 Euro for this form.

What a nonsense, clearly against the EU rules, the Dutch don't have to do it, so neither do I. The question is whether this is a problem by design, or the authority just ignores the law in general, or made a mistake in my case. It would not be the first case that I run into something like that in the Netherlands.

I am without my license already a week, I had to give it in, and I see that this will make it all take extra time. I hope that it will resolve before Christmas.
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I exchanged my Italian driver's license (still with years of validity ahead) for a Dutch one. They did not require any health certificate or examination. They just took my old license, and then gave me a Dutch one 7 days later (and a temporary receipt in the meantime so I could drive within Netherlands).
I guess that's the difference in treatment that you get when being from Italy or from the Czech Republic....
That seems very doubtful considering the image of Italy in the Netherlands. More likely your application just crossed the desk of a particularly nasty civil servant with a small *****. Bad luck, mate. Can happen to anyone.

In the follow up of my experiences with obtaining Dutch driving license I would like to ask anyone who is familiar with the Dutch law on the drivings license and the renewal of the drivings license and the authority of the Dutch RDW institution that facilitates this. It seems it have to be a discrimination fight again...

I called the RDW on Monday, asked them the explanation, and was promised to be called in two days, than one particular employee did find it strange that they asked it from me, but they did not call back.

I called the RDW again, asked about why, they don't call back, they did not have any answer. But they kept on telling that they are allowed to require that Statement of Health. When asked about on what bases, they could not answer. When asked about in what law is this based, they said, the Dutch law... lol, when asked in which particular law, they would not answer. When I confronted them with the Manual for Renewal of the Dutch driving license for foreigners, where is clear that as the EU citizen I am not required to provide the Health Statement, they hang up, without any explanation. They hanged up on me 4 times... These calls are of course under special paid tariff.

So now I am trying to find information about the legal background of it to be able to build up a case against the RDW. Any help is appreciated, especially as about finding of the law concerning the RDW and foreign driving licenses, and whether there is anything that could give the RDW the base to discriminate the non Dutch residents.

Actually it goes about finding in what legal binding documents could I find the same information as the information here bellow. I am pretty sure that it is like that, but I need the official statements.

http://auto-en-vervoer.infonu.nl/aut...rijbewijs.html

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Verklaring van geschiktheid?
In een aantal gevallen is er voor de vernieuwing van het rijbewijs een Verklaring van geschiktheid nodig. Die verklaring vraag je aan bij het CBR door het opsturen van het formulier Eigen verklaring, dat je bij de gemeente kunt kopen.

Wie hebben een verklaring van geschiktheid nodig?

M.i.v. januari 2014 moet u vanaf uw 75e jaar voor verlenging van uw rijbewijs elke 5 jaar een medische keuring ondergaan.
Aanvragers van een vrachtauto of busrijbewijs.
Aanvragers van een rijbewijs voor motor of auto (cat. A, B, BE) die medisch bekend zijn bij het CBR.


De gemeente waarin je woont kan eventueel meer informatie geven of je tot n van bovengenoemde groepen behoort.
Als alles in orde is krijg je enkele weken na het opsturen van de Eigen verklaring bericht van het CBR. Het CBR kan ook besluiten dat je voor een keuring naar een medisch specialist moet. Daarom is het belangrijk de Eigen verklaring op tijd in te sturen. De maximum termijn waarop de Verklaring van geschiktheid wordt verstrekt is 4 maanden.

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Old December 17th, 2015, 08:04 PM   #13051
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First ask your municipality if you are considered to be in one of the specific groups for which a Statement of Health is required. If the answer is 'no', ask them to formally confirm this in a letter. Also make sure you formally request for a review ('bezwaarprocedure') with the RDW - within six weeks - of their decision not to grant you a driver's licence. Make sure to include a copy of the letter from your municipality.

They (RDW) are bound by administrative law to formally decide on your request for review and either reverse their original decision or give you the legal justification. If you still don't agree, you can take the next step (an appeal to the court).
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Old December 17th, 2015, 09:02 PM   #13052
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First ask your municipality if you are considered to be in one of the specific groups for which a Statement of Health is required. If the answer is 'no', ask them to formally confirm this in a letter. Also make sure you formally request for a review ('bezwaarprocedure') with the RDW - within six weeks - of their decision not to grant you a driver's licence. Make sure to include a copy of the letter from your municipality.

They (RDW) are bound by administrative law to formally decide on your request for review and either reverse their original decision or give you the legal justification. If you still don't agree, you can take the next step (an appeal to the court).
Thanks. I see it the same way.

I did exactly that with the municipality this afternoon. They were reluctant to give me such a confirmation in a formal letter, but at least they agreed to ask by the RDW what is the problem. I am curious when I will get an answer...

I am willing to do this battle, however, I also want a driving license. Obviously as long as I don't do what the RDW wants or win the battle (which could take months) I won't have my driving license as I had to give it in.

So in fact I will have to fight this retroactively... but I will for sure complain by the RDW first, before I fill the form.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 09:06 PM   #13053
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I fear these will make countryside leisure driving more and more difficult with many zones effectively fenced out.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #13054
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My Czech driver's license was nearing the expiration date, so I asked for the renewal. As I live in the Netherlands, I should get the Dutch driver's license [...] What a nonsense, clearly against the EU rules, the Dutch don't have to do it, so neither do I.
Do (did) you have EU standard format licence (the pinkish colored plastic card) or do you have an older national format licence?
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Old December 17th, 2015, 10:22 PM   #13055
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Do (did) you have EU standard format licence (the pinkish colored plastic card) or do you have an older national format licence?
Yes.

I really, really, appreciate the interest, but at the same time I am aware that this is not really the place to discuss this.

I thought that I might inform about it, and perhaps about my progress, as that is in fact interesting to the foreigners in the Netherlands, but I don't want to fill the discussion with it completely.

Should we start a separate thread, or perhaps PM?

But if no one objects it is ok with me to continue this topic in this thread.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 10:27 PM   #13056
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I think it's more interesting to talk about the A4 motorway opening tomorrow

It is the longest discussed project in the Netherlands, starting in the 1950s, and under construction in the late 1960s, stopped in the 1970s, restarted in the 1980s, funding withdrawn in the 1990s and now finally opening to traffic after decades of discussion, procedures and construction
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Old December 17th, 2015, 10:42 PM   #13057
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I'm curious to see how long does it take for traffic to adjust, and whether the Benelux tunnels will become far more congested.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 10:49 PM   #13058
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Knowing the Dutch, long... Unless the GPS systems are updated quickly people will continue to follow the A13. People in the Netherlands don't look at roadsigns, only at what a GPS shouts at them. Just remember the mayham at the Coentunnel or at Eindhoven Airport. With people crashing, driving trough central reservations leading to sings with "dont follow your GPS".

On that note, how will they route trafic from the Hague?
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Old December 18th, 2015, 12:04 AM   #13059
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Is there any chance of rerouting the E19...although I suppose that wouldn't make sense until that last bit of the A4 is done. If it ever is.

Ahem, never mind....
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The A4 route was clearly the original intended route of the E19.
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