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Old December 18th, 2015, 03:37 AM   #13061
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Knowing the Dutch, long... Unless the GPS systems are updated quickly people will continue to follow the A13. People in the Netherlands don't look at roadsigns, only at what a GPS shouts at them. Just remember the mayham at the Coentunnel or at Eindhoven Airport. With people crashing, driving trough central reservations leading to sings with "dont follow your GPS".

On that note, how will they route trafic from the Hague?
You know, I really like Dutch signage.
But on my drive from A'dam to Zeeland in July I nearly missed the exit from the A4 to the A13. Obviously, I didn't go back to see what they or I missed....
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Old December 18th, 2015, 03:41 AM   #13062
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The A4 route was clearly the original intended route of the E19.
So the Belgians would actually have to call the A1 the A1!

Well, north of Antwerp anyway.
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Old December 18th, 2015, 03:17 PM   #13063
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Knowing the Dutch, long... Unless the GPS systems are updated quickly people will continue to follow the A13.
Many people with in-car GPSs or devices like TomTom or Garmin never or almost never update their maps. On the other hand, daily commuters will quickly find out the new route.
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Old December 18th, 2015, 04:17 PM   #13064
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A big 16-bit delay on the Dutch motorway.

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Old December 18th, 2015, 05:27 PM   #13065
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A4 Delft - Schiedam opening

A4 Delft - Schiedam is planned to open at 9 p.m. northbound this evening and during the night from Sunday to Monday southbound.

The VID (traffic information service) has dedicated one of their traffic cameras to the A4 opening this evening.

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Old December 18th, 2015, 08:33 PM   #13066
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I'm sorry, this may seem totally absurd and is probably just wrong, but recently word has gotten around Germany that you can pay for your driving lessons in the NL with sex (!). Normally I wouldn't even consider the idea, but multiple normally trustworthy newspapers reported about it. So is this true or have any of you ever heard of this?

If you can read german:
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Pa...rerschein.html
http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/de...d_5160362.html
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/niede...x-8451293.html
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Old December 18th, 2015, 08:54 PM   #13067
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I know someone who may want to give driving lessons as a sideline if that's the case....
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Old December 18th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #13068
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why wouldn't it be true? if it isn't against the law it is ok. what if they offered to do the instructors taxes or gave them some home made foods? same thing.
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Old December 18th, 2015, 08:59 PM   #13069
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A4 Delft - Schiedam opened to traffic at 7.30 p.m.! 60 years of motorway history finally coming together!

It opened to nortbound traffic only. The southbound direction will open Sunday night.

Transport minister Melanie Schultz came to open the motorway, by making a symbolic call to the traffic control center to lift the red X's on the gantries.
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Old December 18th, 2015, 09:02 PM   #13070
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I'm sorry, this may seem totally absurd and is probably just wrong, but recently word has gotten around Germany that you can pay for your driving lessons in the NL with sex (!). Normally I wouldn't even consider the idea, but multiple normally trustworthy newspapers reported about it. So is this true or have any of you ever heard of this?

If you can read german:
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Pa...rerschein.html
http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/de...d_5160362.html
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/niede...x-8451293.html
In Dutch: http://www.nrc.nl/handelsblad/2015/1...ag-wel-1570090

In English: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...x-for-lessons/
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Old December 18th, 2015, 09:33 PM   #13071
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Sex: accepted currency since the dawn of mankind. Nothing new, nothing to see here, just keep moving people
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Old December 19th, 2015, 12:16 AM   #13072
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I thought a section of Spanish N-260 that was U/C for a decade was bad, but A4 between Delft and Schiedam takes the cake for being almost half a century U/C. At least now is open. Hope is the last thing one loses.

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A big 16-bit delay on the Dutch motorway.
Only 1 and a half months? Luckily they didn't use 32 bit, or even worse, 64 bit.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 12:52 AM   #13073
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I'm sorry, this may seem totally absurd and is probably just wrong, but recently word has gotten around Germany that you can pay for your driving lessons in the NL with sex (!). Normally I wouldn't even consider the idea, but multiple normally trustworthy newspapers reported about it. So is this true or have any of you ever heard of this?

If you can read german:
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Pa...rerschein.html
http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/de...d_5160362.html
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/niede...x-8451293.html
All that was said is that there isn't a law that deems it illegal.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 01:42 AM   #13074
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I'm sorry, this may seem totally absurd and is probably just wrong, but recently word has gotten around Germany that you can pay for your driving lessons in the NL with sex (!). Normally I wouldn't even consider the idea, but multiple normally trustworthy newspapers reported about it. So is this true or have any of you ever heard of this?

If you can read german:
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Pa...rerschein.html
http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/de...d_5160362.html
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/niede...x-8451293.html
I find it really amusing that it was Germans who first asked the question and are most interested in it
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Old December 19th, 2015, 11:14 AM   #13075
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A4 Delft - Schiedam

Recent photos of A4 between Delft and Schiedam by constructor Heijmans.













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Old December 19th, 2015, 11:19 AM   #13076
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I find it really amusing that it was Germans who first asked the question and are most interested in it
Very German. Always happy to find an opportunity for Holland-bashing. It's typically followed by a quick visit to the country ...
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Old December 19th, 2015, 02:25 PM   #13077
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A4 Delft - Schiedam opened to traffic at 7.30 p.m.! 60 years of motorway history finally coming together!

Was it the longest montorway construction in Nederland? I mean from the first start of works, in the 1968.
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Has to be, but only if you consider all those years in which the original ground works just laid abandoned as "construction". To me, this is a project once started and abandoned, only to be recommenced decades down the line.

The one element in which it definitely is the longest is that there is no stretch of road in the Netherlands (if not Europe) that saw more discussion whether or not it should be built at all. During all those years after they pulled the plug on the original project, the plans were never far below the surface. Even if the government had no formal plans, there were always interest groups lobbying for construction. And of course opposing groups remained active too during all those years.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 05:45 PM   #13079
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The Dutch parliament has a low election threshold, which means there are many parties, and not one party has ever been able to gain a majority (the record is CDA in the 1980s, when they held a third of all seats). This means that with changing coalitions, so was political support for the A4 motorway.

Labor party (PvdA) has often been one of the governing parties. It especially depended on their support, they are afraid they are losing seats to GreenLeft, so they often take similar positions as GL, even if their electorate is not. As usual, the political elite is more 'dedicated' left wing or right wing than most of their electorate. This has prevented the A4 from moving forward several times.

When the project was stopped by parliament in 1976, it came down to a single vote making the difference.
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Some more photos of A4 Delft - Schiedam.

1. First traffic coming out of the 2 kilometer long Kethel Tunnel.


2. The A4 trench, looking north.


3. Southbound view. You can clearly see that the tunnel is located higher than the trench.


4. The northbound tube. There are 4 lanes, the Netherlands has tunnel laws that prescribe that there shouldn't be merges inside or just before tunnels. So the lanes from A4 and A20 at Kethelplein come together just before the tunnel, then the left lane ends after the tunnel.
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