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Old January 2nd, 2016, 11:00 PM   #13141
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Dordrecht - Zwijndrecht Bridge

I made a little video of the Dordrecht - Zwijndrecht Bridge. It is one of the few remaining truss road bridges in the Netherlands (most others cross minor canals).

This used to be the main road from Rotterdam to Belgium until the Drecht Tunnel opened to traffic in 1977. It's hard to believe they once fitted 4 lanes on it. It must've been very narrow.

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Old January 3rd, 2016, 03:34 PM   #13142
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My Czech driver's license was nearing the expiration date, so I asked for the renewal. As I live in the Netherlands, I should get the Dutch driver's license.

I went to the city hall, filled the form, paid the money, gave them the photo etc..

Now, I got a letter from the Dutch driver's license authority institution, that I need to send them another form with an Statement of Health to get af Certification of Fitness and pay another 8 Euro for this form.

What a nonsense, clearly against the EU rules, the Dutch don't have to do it, so neither do I. The question is whether this is a problem by design, or the authority just ignores the law in general, or made a mistake in my case. It would not be the first case that I run into something like that in the Netherlands.

I am without my license already a week, I had to give it in, and I see that this will make it all take extra time. I hope that it will resolve before Christmas.
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I exchanged my Italian driver's license (still with years of validity ahead) for a Dutch one. They did not require any health certificate or examination. They just took my old license, and then gave me a Dutch one 7 days later (and a temporary receipt in the meantime so I could drive within Netherlands).
I guess that's the difference in treatment that you get when being from Italy or from the Czech Republic....
That seems very doubtful considering the image of Italy in the Netherlands. More likely your application just crossed the desk of a particularly nasty civil servant with a small *****. Bad luck, mate. Can happen to anyone.
In the follow up of my experiences with obtaining Dutch driving license I would like to ask anyone who is familiar with the Dutch law on the drivings license and the renewal of the drivings license and the authority of the Dutch RDW institution that facilitates this. It seems it have to be a discrimination fight again...

I called the RDW on Monday, asked them the explanation, and was promised to be called in two days, than one particular employee did find it strange that they asked it from me, but they did not call back.

I called the RDW again, asked about why, they don't call back, they did not have any answer. But they kept on telling that they are allowed to require that Statement of Health. When asked about on what bases, they could not answer. When asked about in what law is this based, they said, the Dutch law... lol, when asked in which particular law, they would not answer. When I confronted them with the Manual for Renewal of the Dutch driving license for foreigners, where is clear that as the EU citizen I am not required to provide the Health Statement, they hang up, without any explanation. They hanged up on me 4 times... These calls are of course under special paid tariff.

So now I am trying to find information about the legal background of it to be able to build up a case against the RDW. Any help is appreciated, especially as about finding of the law concerning the RDW and foreign driving licenses, and whether there is anything that could give the RDW the base to discriminate the non Dutch residents.

Actually it goes about finding in what legal binding documents could I find the same information as the information here bellow. I am pretty sure that it is like that, but I need the official statements.

http://auto-en-vervoer.infonu.nl/aut...rijbewijs.html

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Verklaring van geschiktheid?
In een aantal gevallen is er voor de vernieuwing van het rijbewijs een Verklaring van geschiktheid nodig. Die verklaring vraag je aan bij het CBR door het opsturen van het formulier Eigen verklaring, dat je bij de gemeente kunt kopen.

Wie hebben een verklaring van geschiktheid nodig?

M.i.v. januari 2014 moet u vanaf uw 75e jaar voor verlenging van uw rijbewijs elke 5 jaar een medische keuring ondergaan.
Aanvragers van een vrachtauto of busrijbewijs.
Aanvragers van een rijbewijs voor motor of auto (cat. A, B, BE) die medisch bekend zijn bij het CBR.


De gemeente waarin je woont kan eventueel meer informatie geven of je tot één van bovengenoemde groepen behoort.
Als alles in orde is krijg je enkele weken na het opsturen van de Eigen verklaring bericht van het CBR. Het CBR kan ook besluiten dat je voor een keuring naar een medisch specialist moet. Daarom is het belangrijk de Eigen verklaring op tijd in te sturen. De maximum termijn waarop de Verklaring van geschiktheid wordt verstrekt is 4 maanden.
The last follow up of a follow up.

I will get my renewed Dutch drivings license, which is a relief after having been riding for almost a month without one.

I did asked the City hall to send an inquiry to the RDW as to why my renewal did not proceed and I send them a legal style inquiry as to why my renewal did not proceed, combined with questions on what bases they do their decision and provided them with information about the legal stand of the things in the Netherlands and in the EU.

At first they replied to the City hall, they said that they did request the Health Statement because my driving license was not issued for 10 years, but for an period of 9 years and 364 days , because the dates on my license were in this format: 10-10-2004 - 09-10-2014.

Well, I thought that this is quite a bullshit argument as the dates obviously imply that the license is valid on the first and last date, and this has obviously nothing to do with shorter validity of e.g. 5 years caused due to health concerns etc...

At the same time I also informed by the Czech authorities (both the ministry and municipality) as if they would be able to provide with a proof that the license has a normal validity. They found the RDW same ridiculous as I did and they promised to send a statement. They said however, that the standard has been changed somewhere in 2005 and the dates are now showing the same date on both first and last day.

Few days later I also received a reply form RDW to my inquiry with the same information as about why they did not proceed my renewal. However, this time they were willing to inform themselves to check whether the license was not ok, as they "saw the same date standard on many licenses from CZ". Finally these days I received the letter that I will get my license. Nevertheless, the RDW never stated that they made a mistake.

The moral of it.
=> Never try to solve things with these institution on the phone, you will most probably get ignorant, inflexible and arrogant people on the line. Instead write a formal inquiry, make it look very legal like, personal contact is also better, they can't simply hang on you. When I called the Czech institutions, they were very helpful and willing to participate, though. The Dutch city hall clerk was also quite helpful.

=> Make them feel that you are serious and back it up in the legal talk as they might not be willing to risk the trouble of getting into trouble in legal proceedings.
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Old January 4th, 2016, 06:01 PM   #13143
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The first evening rush hour since A4 opened between Delft and Schiedam. Amazingly nearly all of the Rotterdam area motorways are free-flow. Even A20 is not backed up.

The Hague is having some issues. Though I must add that A4 along the south side of The Hague already had high traffic volumes before the A4 link opened. The average daily traffic west of A13 was 141,000 vehicles per day before A4 was completed.

But as a little side note, the average traffic volumes in January and February are lower than other months. The difference can be 10-15% compared to March or April or October.

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Old January 4th, 2016, 06:05 PM   #13144
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A4 near The Hague was having a lot of problems due to a crash on the A12 eastbound, traffic was searching alternatives.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 05:07 PM   #13145
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Also today, on a Tuesday which is one of the busier days in seeing every week traffic, the situation on the A13 and the A4-MD is all in the green.

What a difference another highway makes.....
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Old January 5th, 2016, 07:08 PM   #13146
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A15, Rotterdam

I filmed A15 just before Christmas. The major construction works to widen A15 are completed.

Interestingly, traffic going to A29 already has to turn off at the Ridderkerk interchange. I wasn't aware of that, it's surprising when you see the Vaanplein interchange with all its flyovers, but no ramps leading to there.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 08:41 PM   #13147
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Nicely done! I drive that stretch quite till very frequently, so the pictures are all very familiar to me.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 10:38 AM   #13148
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Freezing rain paralyzes traffic in northeastern Netherlands. Roads have turned into ice.

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Teletext (yes it is still used!) reported an 86 kilometer traffic jam on A28.

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Old January 6th, 2016, 02:11 PM   #13150
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86km, 69 min.

I guess that means there's a delay of 69 minutes.

If one could usually drive with an average speed of 75km/h there, one would usually need 69 minutes.
The reported delay of 69 minutes means that the current average speed is about 37km/h. I think that's not a "dramatic traffic jam".
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Old January 6th, 2016, 02:16 PM   #13151
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True, it's mostly slow traffic. Though driving that slow over such a distance is quite exceptional. Many traffic jams with an average speed of 20-30 km/h rarely last more than 10 kilometers.

There are reports of trucks being unable to drive across motorway bridges. They can't get traction on the incline.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 03:59 PM   #13152
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Freezing rain paralyzes traffic in northeastern Netherlands. Roads have turned into ice.

They indeed did. Should've changed to winter tires but the mild winter made me ignore it.

Now I have it done, together with fixing the front wheel balance and alignment, after I bumped into the sidewalk on the icy road with it.

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Old January 6th, 2016, 04:34 PM   #13153
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I don't have winter tires either. I don't need the car to get to work and if it is really slippery I just postpone other trips. It's not worth the investment for me, especially because I don't drive in the same car very long.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 04:39 PM   #13154
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Aren't there places where winter tires are mandatory in NL?
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No, it's not mandatory. It wasn't until 10 years ago that people started using winter tires on a larger scale, helped by an advertising campaign of tire manufacturers.

The last couple of winters were very mild in the Netherlands, with prolonged periods with no frost, and many days with double-digit temperatures. The winter of 2015-2016 started like that as well, and still is in most parts of the Netherlands, the icy roads are only in the northeast (north of Zwolle), the rest of the country has mild weather.
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The worst traffic jams due to snow was in November 2005. The longest traffic jam stretched from Amsterdam almost to Eindhoven (91 kilometers) and the delay was reported at 3.5 hours. However in reality, travel times cannot be calculated properely with such long traffic jams.

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86km, 69 min.

I guess that means there's a delay of 69 minutes.

If one could usually drive with an average speed of 75km/h there, one would usually need 69 minutes.
The reported delay of 69 minutes means that the current average speed is about 37km/h. I think that's not a "dramatic traffic jam".
Or does it mean it will take you 69 minutes to get from one point to the other?
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Dunno. It's usually the additional time in Germany "dort dauert's 69 Minuten länger" / "takes 69 minutes longer there".
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Interesting.

I've heard Chicago-area traffic reports say things like "it'll take 45 minutes from O'Hare to the Eisenhower...." That seems to be the standard way of reporting on congestion out there...a bunch of times for particular stretches of highway.

For that matter, in the New York area you'll hear "30 minutes inbound at the Lincoln Tunnel, 20 at the Holland..."

So I just assumed it was the same sort of thing.

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So that "86 km" on the Amersfoort-Groningen entry is the length of the actual jam? I just took it as the distance from Wezep to Assen-Noord....
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Usually, when crossing a bottleneck, you are first stuck before it (even for quite a long time), then after it you can travel decently fast; so you get a low but not-so-low average.
But that is calculated on the entire stretch... if you have to go just after the bottleneck your times are screwed

In case of icy roads it should be specified if traffic is stuck because of accidents in some point, or if the mass is moving slowly but steadily.


In this case 86 km is roughly the distance between Wezep and Assen Noord, GMaps says without traffic it takes 50' so we can assume 69' is the total transit time -including jam- from A to B (Chicago style). Right now GMaps reports 60' for that trip, half green half orange.
In Italy info is given only about transit times.
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