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Old January 8th, 2016, 06:42 PM   #13181
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But the Netherlands did start German style "U" diversions on secondary roads?
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Old January 8th, 2016, 06:47 PM   #13182
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Yes, and they are almost never used in practice. It's a complete waste of money.
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Old January 8th, 2016, 06:57 PM   #13183
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The signs are nearly impossible to follow inside cities when signs are clustered
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Old January 8th, 2016, 06:58 PM   #13184
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Ok, so, 120 kph -> 2 km in 1 minute

It's even more accurate because 120 kph is closer than 60 mph to motorway cruise speed

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Well, at least in the U.S., these signs mostly show up on urban freeways where 60/100 is more, well, typical than 75/120. :-)
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Old January 8th, 2016, 06:59 PM   #13185
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It is policy in the Netherlands to detour traffic only via alternate motorways, not secondary roads. The traffic volumes on the motorways are too high to handle on secondary roads. For instance in western Netherlands there are wide motorways with eight or ten lanes, but secondary roads in the area are often only two lanes with lots of roundabouts and/or built-up areas.

The motorway network is also dense enough to allow a detour via alternate motorways in most cases. Although usually people attempt to use a nearby alternate secondary road, so they usually clog up regardless of posted detours.
A sensible policy!
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Old January 8th, 2016, 07:39 PM   #13186
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Do they apply this policy also regarding autowegen?

Would they sign Zwole => Heerenveen via N50 if there is some problem in Meppel?

Speaking of it, it appears Google changed the color scheme of the autowegen once again.
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Old January 8th, 2016, 08:00 PM   #13187
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Automated road signs that changes when volumes of traffic or possible closures require to do so and traffic gets diverted simply by following the signs. I believe even the TMC on navigation devices are linked to this info provided by local radio stations. I haven't seen anything like that in the Netherlands yet...
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Old January 8th, 2016, 08:16 PM   #13188
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The signs are nearly impossible to follow inside cities when signs are clustered
And I suppose that it doesn't really help that all signs in the Netherlands have the same colour, regardless what type of road you are on. (A or N) Belgium is the other country that does that, apart from the green access signs to motorways.

No changes planned?
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Old January 8th, 2016, 08:16 PM   #13189
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There are changeable traffic signs for shoulder lanes. However, they are not really popular among the road authority because they malfunction often, sometimes leaving unreadable signs.


IMG 048 by European Roads, on Flickr
(I'm not sure if this sign still exists, the photo was taken in 2009)
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Old January 8th, 2016, 09:20 PM   #13190
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And I suppose that it doesn't really help that all signs in the Netherlands have the same colour, regardless what type of road you are on. (A or N) Belgium is the other country that does that, apart from the green access signs to motorways.

No changes planned?
I drove in both countries, and France, last July. I'm familiar with British signage as well. Britain and France are very similar in that respect. I thought it was a Vienna Convention or EU requirement that signage on motorways be a distinct color from other signage.

(I'd also point out, as an American, that it's not necessarily obvious to the visitor that the background color of the sign is significant. Maybe that's why French signage in particular can seem excessive at 110 km/h....we're not used to ignoring large chunks of it and focusing on green or whatever.)
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Old January 8th, 2016, 11:51 PM   #13191
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Well, at least in the U.S., these signs mostly show up on urban freeways where 60/100 is more, well, typical than 75/120. :-)
I saw a few times those signs for "measured mile" areas. So it seems that you guys like to measure something while driving. ;-)
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Old January 9th, 2016, 01:32 AM   #13192
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When you are driving with only 100 km/h on a open motorway you need something to fix the boredom
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Old January 9th, 2016, 09:59 AM   #13193
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There are reports of trucks being unable to drive across motorway bridges. They can't get traction on the incline.


Some footage of it.
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Old January 9th, 2016, 09:40 PM   #13194
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I saw a few times those signs for "measured mile" areas. So it seems that you guys like to measure something while driving. ;-)
I'm not sure what the point of those is.... They've been around forever. (And with mileposts on every Interstate, and 10ths of miles showing up more and more, you could do a "measured mile" wherever you want.)
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Old January 11th, 2016, 06:37 PM   #13195
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A16/N3 Dordrecht

After a decade of planning, they finally picked the preferred solution to the A16/N3 interchange problems. They will add a loop ramp for southbound traffic. Surely this could've been thought of earlier? They wanted a flyover but there wasn't any funding for it.

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Old January 14th, 2016, 05:20 PM   #13196
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The A16 desperately needs to be widened to at least 4 lanes in each direction. This also requires a successor to the current Moerdijkbrug. But that renew crossing of the Hollands Diep is not on the cards yet.
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Gridlock in Rotterdam:
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Old January 14th, 2016, 07:33 PM   #13198
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And the new A4's not helping much. Unless you're trying to get to Hoek van Holland. (Um, that is what's down the A20 to the west, right?)
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The Moerdijk Bridge (A16) south of Dordrecht was closed after a major accident. This means traffic had to go via alternate routes; A29 and A15-A27. As you can see this backed up much of Rotterdam.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 07:41 PM   #13200
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As a matter of fact, for a while the A13 and A4 were the only highways in the Rotterdam area actually moving
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