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Old April 6th, 2016, 01:10 PM   #13481
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And yes I do think they will expand rail. The plan was to have an international train have its final stop here as well, so some extra platforms could be very needed. The plan still is to make Amsterdam Zuid the second largest and second most important rail station in Amsterdam. 4 Platforms isn't gonna cut it.
One won't just be able to make use of more than 4 tracks at Amsterdam Zuid as long as Schiphol isn't widened beyond its current 6 track layout. Neither do the current works at the metro station suggest that there will ever be more mainline tracks at Amsterdam Zuid. The station is set to remain what it currently is.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 02:53 PM   #13482
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Knooppunt Beekbergen

Rijkswaterstaat has awarded the reconstruction of the Beekbergen motorway interchange (A1/A50) near Apeldoorn to Heijmans. The project will reconstruct the interchange from a cloverleaf with 4 loops to a cloverleaf with 3 loops and one semi-direct connector for the heaviest turning flow (east to south).

It is a design-construct contract, based on Best Value Procurement. Heijmans did not offered the lowest price, but the best construction plan with the least traffic impact.

Some early works started in March, full-scale construction will start after the summer and continue into 2017. The contract value has not been disclosed, it has been budgeted at € 31 million. It is the first phase to widen A1 all the way from Apeldoorn to Hengelo to six / eight lanes.

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Old April 6th, 2016, 05:10 PM   #13483
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The tunnel will be a toll road, the first motorway toll in the Netherlands since 1980. Tolls will pay a share of the investment (€ 315 million will be paid through tolls). The toll rates are estimated at € 1.18 for passenger cars and € 7.11 for trucks. It is expected that the toll component will be paid off after 25 years, the tunnel will then become toll-free. The toll collection will be 'open road tolling' with no toll plazas.
How can/shall foreigners pay the toll?
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Old April 6th, 2016, 05:21 PM   #13484
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There will be a license plate based tolling system (ANPR), likely similar to AutoPASS in Norway or the Dart Charge in the United Kingdom, where you can pay online. They do not plan to use transponders, but people creating an account can automatically pay their tolls.

Pan-European enforcement is somewhat unclear, they want to use the EUCARIS system. They noted that some EU countries are opposed to enforcement of traffic fines issued in other countries. They plan to use a debt collection agency for unpaid tolls by foreign drivers.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 05:25 PM   #13485
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Thanks. I live in Western Germany, I may use that tunnel once, or perhaps twice (I mean when it will ready). Paying 1€ and some cents is OK, but if I have to register, fill some forms, etc., for paying 1 euro, it would be hilarious.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 06:00 PM   #13486
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Rijkswaterstaat has awarded the reconstruction of the Beekbergen motorway interchange (A1/A50) near Apeldoorn to Heijmans (...)
There goes another one of the Netherlands' full cloverleafs
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Old April 6th, 2016, 09:36 PM   #13487
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Does anybody have data about how traffic between Antwerp/Den Haag re-accommodated after some months of a fully functioning A4?

Are there substantially more traffic going through A4/A15/A4 to avoid the worse bottlenecks on A20/A16?
It doesn't answer your exact question on A4 vs A16. But there is some data that it has a regional effect: 20%, or 30.000, fewer cars on the A13 between Rotterdam and the Hague (ad.nl). Overall, traffic delays in the Rotterdam metro dropped by 20% as a result, with the A13 no longer in the top 50.
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Old April 8th, 2016, 02:42 PM   #13488
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Infrastructure fund

There are talks about extending the infrastructure fund from 2028 to 2030, which means planning could start for an additional € 10 - 12 billion worth of infrastructure projects. Based on the current division of the fund, this would result in about € 4 - 5 billion in road projects in 2028-2030 (including maintenance).

No official list of road projects eligible for funding has been announced, but the current government indicates they want to include the widening of A20 to six lanes between Gouda and Rotterdam.
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Old April 8th, 2016, 03:02 PM   #13489
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knooppunt Hooipolder

North Brabant province presented a plan to address the traffic problems at the Hooipolder motorway interchange (A27/A59) north of Breda. It is currently a diamond interchange where traffic on A59 has to go through traffic signals. In addition, all turning movements have to go through a traffic signal.

Traffic is particularly backed up when a lot of people go to the 'Efteling', an amusement park near Waalwijk. Regular congestion is fairly limited, which is one reason why the national government never gave much priority to build a proper motorway-to-motorway interchange.

The plans submitted by North Brabant province;

1) a direct connector for traffic on A59 east to A27 north
2) widening of A27 to six lanes north of the Hooipolder interchange (already planned)
3) closing exit 34 (Raamsdonksveer) due to the very short distance to the Hooipolder interchange
4) A new access road to Raamsdonksveer to make up for lost access
5) Widening of A59 to six lanes near the traffic signals
6) A new road parallel to A59 between Raamsdonk and Waspik

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Old April 10th, 2016, 03:17 PM   #13490
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A28 Meppel - Hoogeveen

I took some photos from viaducts across A28 yesterday.

This segment of A28 opened in two phases in 1976 and 1979 and was the last part of A28 in Northern Netherlands to be completed. Present-day traffic volumes fluctuate between 52,000 and 56,000 vehicles per day, including over 10,000 trucks.


A28 Slenkenweg-4 by European Roads, on Flickr


A28 Schiphorst-4 by European Roads, on Flickr


A28 Schiphorst-1 by European Roads, on Flickr


A28 Lankhorst-4 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old April 10th, 2016, 04:51 PM   #13491
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The plans submitted by North Brabant province;

1) a direct connector for traffic on A59 east to A27 north
2) widening of A27 to six lanes north of the Hooipolder interchange (already planned)
3) closing exit 34 (Raamsdonksveer) due to the very short distance to the Hooipolder interchange
4) A new access road to Raamsdonksveer to make up for lost access
5) Widening of A59 to six lanes near the traffic signals
6) A new road parallel to A59 between Raamsdonk and Waspik
Too bad that not all the traffic lights will be removed here. But that is maybe a combination of limited budget and little space in the area? Overall this is a badly needed huge improvement over the current situation, but without the traffic lights it would be even better.
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Old April 13th, 2016, 11:18 AM   #13492
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Is it true that the Netherlands wants to forbid the selling of petrol and diesel cars from 2025? I read that on an Italian newspaper...
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Old April 13th, 2016, 11:23 AM   #13493
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That was a proposal from the Labour Party. It was met with great skepticism. They are decimated in the polls for a long time now, polls consistently indicate the Labour Party will face a loss of two-thirds of its seats and is heading for the worst result of all time. Elections are not until March 2017 though. Labour tends to try to lure voters from GreenLeft, both parties have a significant interchangeable voter base.
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Old April 13th, 2016, 01:48 PM   #13494
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Turns out my thesis will be about externalities of urban traffic. In Den Haag. I swear, I didn't mean it
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Old April 13th, 2016, 05:30 PM   #13495
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That was a proposal from the Labour Party. It was met with great skepticism. They are decimated in the polls for a long time now, polls consistently indicate the Labour Party will face a loss of two-thirds of its seats and is heading for the worst result of all time. Elections are not until March 2017 though. Labour tends to try to lure voters from GreenLeft, both parties have a significant interchangeable voter base.
Uhm, aren't you forgetting to mention that the motion was passed in parliament with a considerable majority?

To be perfectly clear: the motion urges the government to "strive towards a situation where every new car being sold is emissions-free by the year 2025."

The motion does not ban fossil fuel cars; otherwise the Socialists (SP) and the Democrats (D66) would not have supported it.
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Old April 13th, 2016, 05:45 PM   #13496
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It was originally proposed by Labour to actually ban gasoline and diesel. The wording was significantly toned down in the actual motion.

The problem with electric cars is that they are not affordable for most people. The Tesla Model 3, which will likely be priced around € 40.000 excluding BPM tax, is not an affordable car for the majority of the Dutch population.

The great majority of Dutch people do not drive a company car and rarely shop over the € 25,000+ price level for private use. Presently only 0.1% of all passenger cars are battery electric cars, and they are practically all used with a business arrangement. It's way too premature to call an end to the fossil fuel era.

Another problem with electric car popularity is that they will cost the government a huge amount of revenue, between € 15 and 20 billion annually if the current incentives are maintained and the entire fleet would be battery electric. It's financially not sustainable to keep the current incentives for electric cars once they get much more popular. So eventually these taxes will go up, or they will introduce new taxes, so it's questionable how much cheaper electric cars will be in the future without all these government incentives or replacement taxes to make up for lost revenue.
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Old April 13th, 2016, 09:30 PM   #13497
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I copied the last two posts to my Italian forum, because newspapers reported the story as "By 2025 only electric cars in NL - Fully confirmed"

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Good god why would you do that to yourself?
LOL, it was pretty random. We have to choose from a list of articles to base our thesis on, and I opened "Urban traffic externalities" because the title got my attention.
Then I read "Leidschendam", "Voorburg", "Utrechtsebaan"... Mmhhh, this sounds familiar

The article itself pointed out how the opening of the N14 bypass (between A4 and N44) generated a sensible raise in housing value of the residential roads relieved by traffic.
From this I have several ideas to expand the research, for example with a projection of how a similar effect might be seen on the Rijswijkseweg once Rotterdamsebaan + Neherkade will be fully operational; and also other projects can be taken into it.
Other points I may add is how the added housing value shifts (a bit of) the cost/benefit ratio of the road project, and how a bypass is one of the few radical ways to reduce the negative externalities of traffic (which are almost never paid for by drivers themselves).

Needless to say, you people will hear many questions from me in the next weeks... especially about sources for traffic volumes and housing prices
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Ban diesel and petrol cars doesn't automatically mean you have to have an electric one. There's LPG, methane, biofuels...
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Is it true that the Netherlands wants to forbid the selling of petrol and diesel cars from 2025? I read that on an Italian newspaper...
talk radio in Canada was ranting about it last evening when I was driving home...

I was like, hey, I heard that on SSC
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