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Old July 8th, 2008, 09:22 PM   #1341
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Well, the skyrocketing oil price also has advantages (ok, there are about a thousand disadvantages)
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Old July 8th, 2008, 10:12 PM   #1342
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Mother nature agrees with you, hehe.
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Old July 8th, 2008, 10:48 PM   #1343
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Yeah, I really hope they accelerate the research in alternative fuels. The plan the Dutch energy giants showed a few weeks ago looked hopeful. Electric cars that can drive 400km before rechargeing which would take 10 mins at a rechargeing station. You can also recharge at home. The cost of transportation could drop too, since electric power is cheaper than fuel in the end.
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The US has really changed since the last time I was there. Three-quarters of the news is about Global Warming, and everybody is recycling like hell, so that's a good thing.
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Old July 8th, 2008, 11:14 PM   #1345
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Yeah, I really hope they accelerate the research in alternative fuels. The plan the Dutch energy giants showed a few weeks ago looked hopeful. Electric cars that can drive 400km before rechargeing which would take 10 mins at a rechargeing station. You can also recharge at home. The cost of transportation could drop too, since electric power is cheaper than fuel in the end.
But, the electricity must be also somehow produced.
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Old July 8th, 2008, 11:28 PM   #1346
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But, the electricity must be also somehow produced.
Yes, but IF you use a polluting source, you can control that pollution much better from a dozen power plants than millions of cars. And electricity can be produced from renewable energy sources. That's why, for instance, the Swiss railway network is nearly CO2 free.
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Old July 8th, 2008, 11:48 PM   #1347
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Yes, but IF you use a polluting source, you can control that pollution much better from a dozen power plants than millions of cars. And electricity can be produced from renewable energy sources. That's why, for instance, the Swiss railway network is nearly CO2 free.
Sorry to say that... there's no way how to produce energy from renewable resource with high EROEI... to ensure being CO2 free is not the main difficulty. The real problems are:

1) where to get the energy efficiently (EROEI>10)
2) how to store it

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3) pollution issues

There are only few countries in the whole world that could really be dependent on renewable energy sources only, e.g. Switzerland, Norway. I just wonder why G8 (and most of developed countries) emphasise pollution problems while the most critical problem we are facing is the lack of energy.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 12:02 AM   #1348
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Pollution is a diminishing problem in modern European countries (and others). The amounts of CO2 and PM10 polluted decreased since the 1980's, while traffic and population grows.

PM10 in the Netherlands dropped from 116 kilotons in 1980 to 47 kiloton in 2002.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 12:48 AM   #1349
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Yes, but IF you use a polluting source, you can control that pollution much better from a dozen power plants than millions of cars. And electricity can be produced from renewable energy sources. That's why, for instance, the Swiss railway network is nearly CO2 free.
You can control it, but it will be big anyway. The only way how to produce enough energy for cars while not polluting environment is in the most of the countries nuclear energy. But, even the resources of uranium are limited so we must invent something better...
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You can control it, but it will be big anyway. The only way how to produce enough energy for cars while not polluting environment is in the most of the countries nuclear energy. But, even the resources of uranium are limited so we must invent something better...
There are technologies available that are pushing the uranium reserve problems to the far future.
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A truck with jammed brakes at IC Kethelplein near Rotterdam caused 86km of traffic jams on 5 freeways around the city of Rotterdam. The longest traffic jam was 23km.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 01:00 PM   #1352
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There are technologies available that are pushing the uranium reserve problems to the far future.
That's great, although I don't know details. I hope that until the resources of uranium will be over we will invent controlled thermonuclear fusion what would definitely solve our problems.
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Already 3 heavy accidents since this morning.

On the A1 near Bussum (just east of Amsterdam), a truck caught fire at the offramp. On the A12 near Arnhem, there was a lane closure due to a truck accident. On the A16 near Dordrecht, multiple trucks collided at the Drechttunnel. No details yet.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 01:23 PM   #1354
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A truck with jammed brakes at IC Kethelplein near Rotterdam caused 86km of traffic jams on 5 freeways around the city of Rotterdam. The longest traffic jam was 23km.
what a ******* lot of jam...

we have a stupid joke about jam:

The officer stops a trucker and asks about the lading.
Trucker says he transports "dzsem"*.
The officer checks the bill of delivery and the lading.

he his head and says:

- you are in big trouble:
you said you transported "dzsem"*, there is "JAM" in your bill of delivery, but you are transporting "lekvár"**


a little explanation:
* we use the word JAM, but we write it as we pronounce it: "dzsem"
** but we have our own word for jam: it is "lekvár" in hungarian...

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Old July 10th, 2008, 11:00 PM   #1355
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It remembers me a story about a case at the Polish-Lithuanian border where a truck driver had big problems, because the bill of delivery said "big yellow lemons", while actually they were small and green.
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You've got to be very percise about what you have in you truck, or you might get into some serious trouble
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what a ******* lot of jam...

we have a stupid joke about jam:

The officer stops a trucker and asks about the lading.
Trucker says he transports "dzsem"*.
The officer checks the bill of delivery and the lading.

he his head and says:

- you are in big trouble:
you said you transported "dzsem"*, there is "JAM" in your bill of delivery, but you are transporting "lekvár"**


a little explanation:
* we use the word JAM, but we write it as we pronunciate: "dzsem"
** but we have our own word for jam: it is "lekvár" in hungarian...
You can be angry and hungry in Hungary.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 12:41 PM   #1358
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You've got to be very percise about what you have in you truck, or you might get into some serious trouble
Yes, especially France is an awful country in this case. There are currently already 35 innocent dutch truck drivers in jail being accused for drug transportation and stuff like that. Check this out. The worst story is the one of Klaas-Jan Bolt.

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Old July 11th, 2008, 06:18 PM   #1359
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A truck with jammed brakes at IC Kethelplein near Rotterdam caused 86km of traffic jams on 5 freeways around the city of Rotterdam. The longest traffic jam was 23km.
Why do you guys even drive around by cars, if this happens almost on a daily basis? How many hours does it take you to get out of an 86-km-long jam? I wouldn't put up with it.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 06:38 PM   #1360
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Because you can easily calculate 30 mins of delay and you're still faster than public transportation. I once made such a list of commuter towns around Zwolle, I should update it.
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