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Old October 14th, 2016, 11:15 PM   #13901
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My avatar is the I-20 / I-35E stack in Dallas, Texas: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6424.../data=!3m1!1e3

It's a perfectly symmetrical 4-level stack. They call it a 'cookie-cutter interchange' because they built so many of them along I-20.
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Old October 16th, 2016, 04:34 PM   #13902
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A27 Merwede Bridge update

English VMS to detour trucks away from the Merwede Bridge.

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Old October 16th, 2016, 05:53 PM   #13903
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N356 'De Centrale As'

Finally some good weather has come to the Netherlands, so I drove north to film the new expressway from Drachten to Dokkum.

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Old October 16th, 2016, 06:04 PM   #13904
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Expensive fine at 5.02 :-p ?
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Old October 17th, 2016, 11:50 AM   #13905
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How are the Provinces in the Netherlands funded? They seem to be able to carry out quite some projects.
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Old October 17th, 2016, 12:47 PM   #13906
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Some of their own taxes + money from the national government.
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Old October 17th, 2016, 03:50 PM   #13907
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At 0:35: end of expressway sign and beginning of expressway again after few meters?
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Old October 17th, 2016, 03:52 PM   #13908
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If you look closely, you'll see that the first sign has '300m' below it; that's for the traffic via the roundabout.
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Old October 17th, 2016, 04:01 PM   #13909
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How are the Provinces in the Netherlands funded? They seem to be able to carry out quite some projects.
The provinces receive a portion of the car ownership tax (also known as the road tax). This is about € 1.5 billion/year for all 12 provinces combined.

Several provinces sit on a bag of money worth hundreds of millions, sometimes over a billion euros due to the sale of their share in energy companies. For example North Brabant province received € 2.2 billion for their share of Essent that was sold to RWE. This was a huge amount of money compared to the regular budget of provinces.

Furthermore, northern Netherlands received several billion euros in compensation for the cancellation of a high-speed rail from Amsterdam to Groningen, to be spent on infrastructure. This is a main reason why Friesland province was able to spend so much money on road infrastructure.

In most provinces, the regular annual road budget is under € 100 million.
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Old October 17th, 2016, 07:49 PM   #13910
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Furthermore, northern Netherlands received several billion euros in compensation for the cancellation of a high-speed rail from Amsterdam to Groningen, to be spent on infrastructure. This is a main reason why Friesland province was able to spend so much money on road infrastructure.

This. Most of the big infra projects going on in the past few years and in the near future in Friesland province and Groningen province weren't possible without this compensation. At least not in let's say this timeframe.
But I guess for guite a few not at all...
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Old October 17th, 2016, 08:52 PM   #13911
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The provinces receive a portion of the car ownership tax (also known as the road tax). This is about € 1.5 billion/year for all 12 provinces combined.

Several provinces sit on a bag of money worth hundreds of millions, sometimes over a billion euros due to the sale of their share in energy companies. For example North Brabant province received € 2.2 billion for their share of Essent that was sold to RWE. This was a huge amount of money compared to the regular budget of provinces.


But the difference between the provinces is quite large. 6,2 billon versus 8 million.
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Old October 17th, 2016, 09:06 PM   #13912
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Overijssel should spend more money on roads. There haven't been any significant provincial road projects in the last 10 years and the two largest regions are still connected by a simple two-lane 80 km/h road (Zwolle-Kampen to Almelo-Hengelo-Enschede). There is no other situation like that in the Netherlands.

National government spending in Overijssel is very low, nearly all 'national' projects were co-financed by the province up to 50%. It's clear that the N35 upgrade will take decades to complete if they don't do something different.

Friesland also knew that without this funding from the cancelled HSR, it would take forever to address all problems in the province. They basically fixed all their chokepoints and connectivity/accessibily problems with the HSR compensation.

Just look at what Friesland has built, or significantly co-financed over the past few years;
* A6-A7 Joure motorway interchange
* N7 through Sneek
* N31 Leeuwarden Bypass
* N31 through Harlingen
* N355 Hurdegaryp bypass
* N355 Buitenpost bypass
* N356 Drachten - Dokkum expressway
* N381 four-laning to Oosterwolde
* N384 Franeker bypass II stage
* N398 new road from Beetgum to Stiens (regional bypass of Leeuwarden)
* N913 new two-lane express road from Garyp to Burgum
* numerous safety upgrades of intersections on its provincial road network
* a number of aquaducts (canal / waterway underpasses)
* various access roads into Leeuwarden

To compare it to Overijssel (which has nearly twice as many people as Friesland!)
* N35 through Nijverdal (co-funded)
* N36 bypass of Ommen (co-funded)
* N348 bypass of Wesepe

Just a single small provincial project: the short bypass of Wesepe (2 km).
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Old October 18th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #13913
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A27 Merwede Bridge update

Construction will start Saturday on the strengthening of the Merwede Bridge (A27) near Gorinchem. They will install plates to strengthen the main beams of the bridge. The works should be completed by late November or early December. The bridge can possibly reopen a bit earlier for trucks, because they will start with the weakest segments first.

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Old October 18th, 2016, 09:51 PM   #13914
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....northern Netherlands received several billion euros in compensation for the cancellation of a high-speed rail from Amsterdam to Groningen, ...
Why was it cancelled? And why is this money spent on roads, not railways?
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Old October 18th, 2016, 10:02 PM   #13915
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It was postponed in 1986 and finally cancelled in 2007, it was projected to be much more expensive than the available budget with a poor cost/benefit ratio for Northern Netherlands.

The northern provinces received € 2 billion in compensation, to be spent on infrastructure. Since this area already has a relatively extensive network of national and regional railroads, it didn't make much sense to build railroads to nowhere. Some money was spent on railroads though, chiefly increasing capacity and frequency on some lines. But especially Friesland spent most of it on its road bottlenecks.

Friesland has a very large amount waterways and canals, and boating is about the #1 thing to do there. Which means many roads have bridges that open to boating all the time, even on motorways. So they built 'aquaducts' that go under a canal. They have 14 aquaducts now.

Frisian Aquaduct (A32);

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Old October 19th, 2016, 11:29 AM   #13916
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N7 Groningen

The Council of State today has dismissed the appeals against the reconstruction of N7 through the northern city of Groningen. This means construction can start, it is already tendered, so construction could possibly begin before the end of the year.

It's one of the most expensive (per km) projects in the Netherlands, with a budget of € 666 million to upgrade a 4 km stretch of N7 to a fully controlled-access expressway with up to eight lanes. However, the main contract came in much lower at € 388 million.

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Old October 19th, 2016, 09:37 PM   #13917
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such a big budget difference, really?
I mean is the buidling company giving a realistic offer?
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Old October 19th, 2016, 10:10 PM   #13918
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I don't know the specifics of the contract (what it covers and not), but usually such large multi hundred million contracts include the entire project.

It's listed at € 670 million in the 2017 MIRT. The contract was provisionally awarded to the Herepoort consortium for € 388 million.
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Old October 20th, 2016, 08:11 AM   #13919
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I don't know the specifics of the contract (what it covers and not), but usually such large multi hundred million contracts include the entire project.
As far as I understand it's the entire project..
Some of the work was already done before the maincontract was signed , so it's a little (in perspective) more than the 388, but nowhere near the 670

Still wondering about the why and the how of that difference though.
And with this outcome, wondering if some other variants, deemed to be to expensive, weren't as far stretched as they thought it to be...
But that's hindsight of wich you never get the answer...

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Old October 20th, 2016, 02:31 PM   #13920
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It's not uncommon to reserve some money for unforeseen risks, especially with large, complex projects like these. But yes, that's nearly € 300 million discrepancy.

Bids coming in much lower than the budget is not uncommon though, the A4 Delft - Schiedam project also came in almost € 300 million under budget (but then had a cost escalation due to unforeseen vertical drainage pipes in the old embankment).
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