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Old January 30th, 2017, 08:36 PM   #14321
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Was the IJsselmeer planned to be drained entirely?
I don't think there were plans to drain IJsselmeer entirely, no. In the 1930s they already knew about the need to have space to take river overflows and "store" them in a huge lake in case of combination of storms (or accelerated snow meltdown) and high tides.

The Markermeer, though, was planned to be mostly drained.

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The causeway to Marken and that stub causeway in the direction of Volendam are part of the initial works.

It would be awesome if they restarted this plan, then Amsterdam metro could grow 1 million extra inhabitants.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 08:57 PM   #14322
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It would be awesome if they restarted this plan, then Amsterdam metro could grow 1 million extra inhabitants.
How would be there a further million people willing to relocate there?
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Old January 30th, 2017, 09:28 PM   #14323
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Markerwaard is a good idea, just not for the expansion of Amsterdam.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 09:42 PM   #14324
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Was the IJsselmeer planned to be drained entirely?
Actually NL could have looked quite differently if one of the plans on the bottom of this page had been executed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuiderzee_Works
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Old January 30th, 2017, 09:47 PM   #14325
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Markerwaard is a good idea, just not for the expansion of Amsterdam.
Why is the Markerwaard a good idea? We don't need the farmland (we're already the 2nd largest food exporter in the world after the US) and anyway, we're battling rising sea levels as it is.

Let's try and keep dry what we have first, shall we?
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Old January 30th, 2017, 09:57 PM   #14326
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(we're already the 2nd largest food exporter in the world after the US)
Impressive, but the numbers are a bit inflated, a part of it is just through traffic, and 'the largest' is expressed as value, not volume. Which makes it a bit difficult to compare to volume products like corn, grain or sugarcane.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 10:17 PM   #14327
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Why is the Markerwaard a good idea?
To build a hub, a new city, devoted to technology, a futuristic place full of hyper-modern architecture, innovative transportation systems and new construction techniques deployed on a massive scale seen nowhere else in Europe.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 11:31 PM   #14328
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Have you ever come across the term ghost city? The Netherlands doesn't need a new big large city. Population will decline in the future anyway...
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Old January 30th, 2017, 11:54 PM   #14329
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Have you ever come across the term ghost city? The Netherlands doesn't need a new big large city. Population will decline in the future anyway...
It needs when housing prices in Amsterdam are 11% up (buy) and 9% up (rental) in 1 year...
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Old January 30th, 2017, 11:57 PM   #14330
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Have you ever come across the term ghost city? The Netherlands doesn't need a new big large city. Population will decline in the future anyway...
In the rural areas yes, in a big circle from Amsterdam - Almere - Arnhem - Eindhoven - Rotterdam - Den Haag not so much.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 10:38 AM   #14331
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To build a hub, a new city, devoted to technology, a futuristic place full of hyper-modern architecture, innovative transportation systems and new construction techniques deployed on a massive scale seen nowhere else in Europe.
In the high tech industry (and related industries), we're developing Eindhoven and surroundings already. I'd prefer to focus on that. Let's turn Eindhoven into a real city.

It sits above sea level too, which is reassuring if you're building a data center.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 02:20 PM   #14332
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It needs when housing prices in Amsterdam are 11% up (buy) and 9% up (rental) in 1 year...
It's really not needed because -I really have to say it - Almere still has plenty of space to facilitate further development of the region. And we can even put some little islands between Almere and Amsterdam.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 02:58 PM   #14333
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Or create greater density in Amsterdam Noord. Or expand Alkmaar. Or about a dozen other possibilities that don't require expensive land reclamation.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 03:44 PM   #14334
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Or create greater density in Amsterdam Noord. Or expand Alkmaar. Or about a dozen other possibilities that don't require expensive land reclamation.
That could only work if Amsterdam annexed Waterland and expanded over its borders, a prospect that is extremely unlikely to happen, I recon. I also think Amsterdam should annex Abcoude and Oudekerk a/d Amstel and build over. There are plenty of highways nearby (and train lines etc).
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Old January 31st, 2017, 04:02 PM   #14335
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That could only work if Amsterdam annexed Waterland and expanded over its borders, a prospect that is extremely unlikely to happen, I recon. I also think Amsterdam should annex Abcoude and Oudekerk a/d Amstel and build over. There are plenty of highways nearby (and train lines etc).
Not sure annexation would be necessary since spatial planning is largely in the mandate of the provincial government and the national government. The Hague and Haarlem could dictate a lot of this without annexations.
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Alright. I think province listens to local gemeente don't they? Isn't the merger of smaller gemeente in Fryslan in part driven for the desire to prevent provincial authorities from making them essentially huge parks with limited development possibilities?

My point stands: draining part of the Markermeer is less controversial than bulldozing ancient polders full of old farmhouses and cute schaans style barns. This can be financed with real estate potential. Considering the costs of draining and filling maasvlakte twee, an internal polder removed from open oceanic waters is bound to be cheaper.
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My point stands: draining part of the Markermeer is less controversial than bulldozing ancient polders full of old farmhouses and cute schaans style barns.
Veeery doubtful. I'm certainly not going to be standing next to the guy who announces we're draining the Markermeer for the purpose of building a new Lelystad. Good luck dodging the shoes and rotten tomatoes.

A proper Amsterdam extension plan looking a decade or 3 into the future that expands the suburbs into surrounding polders without completely demolishing their rural character (while making the existing city much denser), stands a much better chance of success.
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That could only work if Amsterdam annexed Waterland and expanded over its borders, a prospect that is extremely unlikely to happen, I recon. I also think Amsterdam should annex Abcoude and Oudekerk a/d Amstel and build over. There are plenty of highways nearby (and train lines etc).
Oudekerk/Amstel is a green buffer zone, lovely area let's keep it green. Not going to happen and I believe not possible either.

Look, we don't need it, we don't need a urban sprawl in the Netherlands, there is space in Almere, around Hoofddorp. etc. etc.

And now, lets talk about highways again.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 07:18 PM   #14339
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I would love Markerwaard to be developed as a national park, with lots of planted areas and landscape variety. Maybe put a futuristic eco-friendly 0% emission town in there or two.

But yes, roads.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 08:43 PM   #14340
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N434 Rijnland Route, Leiden

South Holland province has awarded the contract for the construction of N434 / Rijnlandroute along the south side of Leiden.

The contract involves the construction of a four lane expressway between A4 and A44. The project is mostly underground, it includes a 2520 meter long bored tunnel.

The contract has been awarded to a consortium known as 'Comol5', which consists of Mobilis, Croonwolter&dros, VINCI Construction Grands Projets and DEME Infra Marine Contractors.

Construction is scheduled to begin this year and will be completed by late 2022. A more exact schedule will be released soon.

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