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Old October 9th, 2008, 10:57 AM   #1541
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I prefer public transport It's easy and convinient. Just take a sit and ride
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Old October 9th, 2008, 12:49 PM   #1542
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They tried to organize a "traffic jam-free" day. Kinda didn't work at all... 260km of traffic jam, even a bit more busy than a regular rushhour.
I think they can better organize a "traffic jam" day. Then people think it's buzy on the road while it's not. (the opposit )
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Old October 9th, 2008, 02:12 PM   #1543
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I longer haven't seen new pics of the works at the A2 Utrecht... are there any interesting new ones?
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Old October 9th, 2008, 03:37 PM   #1544
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They tried to organize a "traffic jam-free" day. Kinda didn't work at all... 260km of traffic jam, even a bit more busy than a regular rushhour.
Although the number of traffic jams are the same, the average traffic jam is shorter. Dutch media, ANWB, Rijkswaterstaat and TNO are reporting that there were shorter traffic jams. So I find your statement pretty strange.

Length in km (blue normal, orange: traffic jam-free" day):


Speed increase on this day in the regions: Amsterdam, Rotterdam/Den Haag, Utrecht, Eindhoven.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 05:13 PM   #1545
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I think they can better organize a "traffic jam" day. Then people think it's buzy on the road while it's not. (the opposit )
It happened last year, they warned about snow, and everybody left early, so a lot of traffic jams during the morning and noon, but none in the afternoon rushhour. Pretty strange situation.

@ wuppeltje: check here (in Dutch).

Those graphs are nothing more than forecasts, since TNO already reported it was less busy while the rushhour didn't had it's peak yet. The rushhour this morning peaked at 268 kilometers of traffic jams, qualifying as a "heavy rushhour", well above "regular rushhour".
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Old October 9th, 2008, 05:20 PM   #1546
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Yeah, on some radio station (slam FM) you could win a helicopter ride to your work and watch everyone in the traffic jam, and then it turns out that driving would have been easier
Of course a free helicopter ride is fun of course.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 06:22 PM   #1547
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It happened last year, they warned about snow, and everybody left early, so a lot of traffic jams during the morning and noon, but none in the afternoon rushhour. Pretty strange situation.

@ wuppeltje: check here (in Dutch).

Those graphs are nothing more than forecasts, since TNO already reported it was less busy while the rushhour didn't had it's peak yet. The rushhour this morning peaked at 268 kilometers of traffic jams, qualifying as a "heavy rushhour", well above "regular rushhour".
The highest peak was at 8:44 and this was indeed 268 km. Which is very normal as can be read on this source: 269 km. But around that peak it seems more spread, which seems to be positive.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 06:27 PM   #1548
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The evening rushhour has 307km at the moment.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 06:43 PM   #1549
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There is a major accident on one of the highways near Utrecht.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 07:05 PM   #1550
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So? That happens everyday anywhere.

They were lucky it was a beautiful dry day today. If it rained, there would be even more traffic jam. I can only conclude this traffic jam free day 100% failed.

Fluctuations are always possible in T-J length. Some dry days have only 150km of traffic jam, some others have 270km like today. If it rains, 350 - 400km is no exception. This traffic-jam-free day didn't have the slightest effect on traffic jams. Maybe volumes were a bit lower in-between but who cares about that? It's about the traffic jam, but I'm sure they find a way to call this a great success. I had significantly more delay than normal this afternoon. I usually am able to drive home in 20 minutes, it took me 30 minutes today...
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Old October 9th, 2008, 07:10 PM   #1551
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What I expect of this day.

1) A success: They say "traffic jams are a solvable problem, because people have apparantly an alternative".

2) A failure: They say "traffic jams are not solvable, because people won't get out of their cars".

Both conclusions will result in not one long-term effect on traffic jams, because these so-called "alternatives" are maybe nice for a day (like get up at 5 am to go to work), but not for the long-term situation.

Dutch policymakers are extremely good in rambling on about how people should get out of their cars, because that's the "only" solution according to some, which totally ignores the fact our current motorway network (capacity) is suited for a 1970's population, not a current one. In other words, 3,5 million people less and a significantly lower welfare situation.
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About that accident, it's really nasty on the A12 right now. 24 km traffic jam behind the accident because of a road closure, and 31 kilometer of traffic jam in the other direction.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 12:39 AM   #1553
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Both conclusions will result in not one long-term effect on traffic jams, because these so-called "alternatives" are maybe nice for a day (like get up at 5 am to go to work), but not for the long-term situation.

Dutch policymakers are extremely good in rambling on about how people should get out of their cars, because that's the "only" solution according to some, which totally ignores the fact our current motorway network (capacity) is suited for a 1970's population, not a current one. In other words, 3,5 million people less and a significantly lower welfare situation.
You hit the nail on the head. How can people expect there to be no traffic jams when the development of infrastructure has been behind on growth of population and car ownership / mobility for three decades.

After the major infrastructure planning of the 60's not much has been done to keep this country moving. Some highways got additional lanes but nearly no significant new highways or national roads were constructed.

People saying we should look for alternatives are ignorant. Half the country spends at least once a week in a traffic jam. Not only on working days but also in the weekends, another example that it's the lack of infrastructure causing the delays instead of simply saying people live to far from their work or should use public transport more.

Hopefully a lot of the plans made by current transport minister camiel eurlings will be constructed with higher priority to make up for the lost time and delay in infrastructure development created the last 30 years.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 03:46 PM   #1554
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This is a common sight on the A50 freeway between Zwolle and Apeldoorn due to nearby army depots/bases.

[IMG]http://i35.************/rlb6g2.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i33.************/2zqtnxk.jpg[/IMG]
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A video of the southbound A50 motorway. It passes by Heerde and Epe, two forest towns. The area around the A50 is heavily forested.



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Old October 11th, 2008, 01:28 PM   #1556
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This is my 100th road video!

A50/A1 Interchange Beekbergen

A video of the Beekbergen cloverleaf. This is the larger version of the standard cloverleaf because it has parallel lanes to reduce weaving on the through lanes.

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Old October 11th, 2008, 02:52 PM   #1557
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This is a common sight on the A50 freeway between Zwolle and Apeldoorn due to nearby army depots/bases.

[IMG]http://i35.************/rlb6g2.jpg[/IMG]

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Old October 12th, 2008, 06:30 PM   #1558
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One's for sure - the polish way is much faster
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Old October 16th, 2008, 12:48 AM   #1559
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During the last few days I've spend some beautiful days on a Dutch island called Terschelling. It's in the north of the country and it is part of the province of Friesland. On my way to the ferry harbour in Harlingen I made a few pics of the A7 and the construction works on the A31. Enjoy

Dutch farmland and a Dutch hectometre sign:
[IMG]http://i34.************/1zf1zyg.jpg[/IMG]

Foggy morning on the A7:
[IMG]http://i36.************/8wz8ed.jpg[/IMG]

Morning sun over the IJsselmeer, when entering the Afsluitdijk:
[IMG]http://i36.************/zw14k7.jpg[/IMG]

A7 heading east on the Afsluitdijk seen from the Monument rest area viaduct:
[IMG]http://i36.************/oi7hgm.jpg[/IMG]

Same location, A7 heading west:
[IMG]http://i35.************/5fn2o1.jpg[/IMG]

On the road again:
[IMG]http://i37.************/ibkhf9.jpg[/IMG]

Exit Zurich: beginning of the N31/A31:
[IMG]http://i37.************/5wjos0.jpg[/IMG]

The N31/A31 is almost finished here, the divided lanes are finished. It seems like it's going to open in not a very long time:
[IMG]http://i35.************/3151mhg.jpg[/IMG]

Still some work over here:
[IMG]http://i38.************/2llyae1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i37.************/dli688.jpg[/IMG]

Heading towards Harlingen:
[IMG]http://i34.************/14vocv6.jpg[/IMG]

Exit Kimswerd. Since it doesn't really have an exit number I suspect this dual carriage way section will still be numbered N31, instead of A31, also because....
[IMG]http://i33.************/2q9me7s.jpg[/IMG]

......the bridge over the Van Harinxma canal is still two-laned and is located in an area with some buildings around it. There is also no work going on over there:
[IMG]http://i34.************/xdaucp.jpg[/IMG]

That's it for the motorways.
Bonus: a few pics from the island.

A normal bike path:
[IMG]http://i38.************/2cxyc7m.jpg[/IMG]

The main road on the island:
[IMG]http://i33.************/2cpyl2p.jpg[/IMG]

A not so normal bike path. After 20 kms of such road your ass feels bad, I can say that . It felt like 60 kms on a normal road. This 'road' leads to the very east end of the island, and it's about 10 kms long.
[IMG]http://i34.************/izt7wx.jpg[/IMG]

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Old October 16th, 2008, 02:14 PM   #1560
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A28 Northbound

11.20 am: traffic jam time at exit Wezep.
[IMG]http://i38.************/34repkw.jpg[/IMG]

11.30 am, completely stopped traffic.
[IMG]http://i36.************/95osok.jpg[/IMG]

11.35 am: I wish I could drive 50 km/h
[IMG]http://i37.************/9azuxv.jpg[/IMG]

11.45 am: Interchange Hattemerbroek, still jammed.
[IMG]http://i35.************/15drygo.jpg[/IMG]

11.50 am: Inching forward.
[IMG]http://i37.************/315flf4.jpg[/IMG]

11.55 am: Toyota Prius:
[IMG]http://i36.************/33jmkvb.jpg[/IMG]

11.56 am: The opposite of a Prius:
[IMG]http://i34.************/fbdnv6.jpg[/IMG]

12.05 pm: A50 dumping it's load onto the A28
[IMG]http://i35.************/34e9isx.jpg[/IMG]

12.08 pm: Merging chaos
[IMG]http://i33.************/ejc6fa.jpg[/IMG]

12.15 pm: Through lanes start to run again. I have to use this exit.
[IMG]http://i33.************/3355zjs.jpg[/IMG]

12.18 pm: Alternative road is jammed too.
[IMG]http://i37.************/3506has.jpg[/IMG]

12.30 pm: Traffic jam continues into Zwolle, but I can avoid the last few kilometers. Total time for these 6km: 70 minutes.
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