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Old November 16th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #1741
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Ring Zwolle

A drive on the ringroad of Zwolle, a circumferential road of 15 kilometers, but it's not an expressway sadly, but an at grade 2x2 ringroad. Parts of it get pretty jammed during rushhour. But not on this video, since it was shot on a sunday.



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Old November 16th, 2008, 08:52 PM   #1742
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Ring Zwolle almost exactly 1.5 years later. I think it's quite fine as it is. I think it's highly unlikely it will ever become an expressway, what do you think?
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Old November 16th, 2008, 08:54 PM   #1743
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I think some intersections might be grade-separated in the future, however, there aren't any current plans for it.
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Old November 16th, 2008, 08:57 PM   #1744
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Making it completely grade-separated would be quite some work

I wonder why Abcoude doesn't have a ringroad
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Old November 16th, 2008, 09:02 PM   #1745
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I wonder why Abcoude doesn't have a ringroad
I'm sure even Abcoude has a roundabout.
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Old November 16th, 2008, 09:07 PM   #1746
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Oh yeah

-edit- A quick look at GE tells me there are even two roundabouts in Abcoude - 200m apart.
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Old November 16th, 2008, 09:09 PM   #1747
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What's the speed limit?
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Old November 16th, 2008, 09:10 PM   #1748
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Ring Zwolle

A drive on the ringroad of Zwolle, a circumferential road of 15 kilometers, but it's not an expressway sadly, but an at grade 2x2 ringroad. Parts of it get pretty jammed during rushhour. But not on this video, since it was shot on a sunday.



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Chris, aren't you pissed-off by the traffic priority on the ringroad? First few intersections it was green all the way, but then seemed like you stopped at red most of the time
Isn't that supposed to be the city's main thoroughfare?


Besides, nice skyscraper you have there in "downtown" Zwolle
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Old November 16th, 2008, 09:42 PM   #1749
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I was lucky that the first few traffic lights were green. You usually have to stop at nearly all of them. It took me about 20 minutes to complete the 15 kilometers now, but during rushhour, it could be 45 - 50 minutes, if not more.

If you looked well at the end, there were a few traffic lights where I had to stop and got green light. They should've given the green light sooner so that traffic doesn't have to stop all the time for nothing.
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Old November 16th, 2008, 09:48 PM   #1750
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An intensive case study can solve lots of problems. I remember seeing sth on tv about a very busy traffic lights, which gave lots of jams during rush hour. Some people did a case study, came to a conclusion, reprogrammed the traffic lights, and the problem was almost completely gone. Did they never think of that in Zwolle? Or is there just no money to do it?
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Old November 16th, 2008, 10:41 PM   #1751
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We only have one green-wave road in Ljubljana.
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Old November 17th, 2008, 12:34 AM   #1752
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Impression of the widened A2 near Vinkeveen:
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Old November 17th, 2008, 03:38 AM   #1753
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Thanks for the pic CborG, can't wait till it's finished. Just hope they don't put the average speed camera's up immediately after the road is finished
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Old November 17th, 2008, 08:36 AM   #1754
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It must be very difficult to drive 100km/h on that peace of motorway!!
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Old November 17th, 2008, 09:33 AM   #1755
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Nice pic CborG. It's looking south by the way. It will be very difficult to limit yourself to 100 km/h indeed. It might be better to keep it 120, except for rush hours when it should be 100 (most likely: 20, with jams ), with the electronic signs over the motorway.
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A very innovative project is the tunnelizing of the N2 in Maastricht.

It is said to become the first double decked tunnel in the world.

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Great, but how realistic?
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Old November 18th, 2008, 08:05 PM   #1758
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A very innovative project is the tunnelizing of the N2 in Maastricht.

It is said to become the first double decked tunnel in the world.
Maybe the first double double decked tunnel (2x2 over 2x2) in the world.
Look at this (1 (lane) over 1):
http://www.wabweb.net/verkehr/bilder...ocktunnel.html

In Wuppertal exist also a double decked tunnel (2 (lanes) over 2).
And for the extension of the A100 in Berlin is also a double decked tunnel (3 over 3) planned - also in Prague.
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Old November 18th, 2008, 08:06 PM   #1759
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They decided that there is going to come a tunnel, this is just a proposal. I don't think it's very realistic, I heard more of this kind of talk. A tunnel, if 2×2, is good enough IMO.
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Very. The project is still in the bidding stage, but three consortiums have secretly worked 1,5 years on this project to calculate the costs. A tunnel with 8 lanes is required to join the bidding. The project shown above is the "Avenue2" project which is already seen as the most probably solution. The project should be completed in 2015.

Two consortiums have presented plans with a double-decked tunnel, the third one a 2x3 tunnel. The budget is 630 million euros and works should commence in 2011.

The double-decked tunnels have an upper level for local traffic and a lower level for through traffic on the A2 motorway.
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