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Old November 27th, 2008, 11:26 AM   #1841
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What a wonderfull name... named after the place where it was used for the first time

'Holländische Rampe' in German
'Hollands Complex' in Belgium

I could have the done the research myself... i just couldnt believe it was a real name

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Old November 27th, 2008, 06:00 PM   #1842
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Hopefully it will work to reduce the jams. When I was there a few months ago it was a big mess and jams were all over the place. Luckily they're working hard on the ringroad
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Old November 27th, 2008, 06:14 PM   #1843
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Utrecht region is gridlocked again;

[IMG]http://i35.************/4r5b8p.jpg[/IMG]

Well, actually the whole Randstad is gridlocked as usual.
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Old November 27th, 2008, 06:19 PM   #1844
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No news, Chris, no news
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Old November 27th, 2008, 06:25 PM   #1845
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It's quite insane our government accepts these situations as a given fact.

I noticed policy changed over the years. From a minimum travel time (max 2 times the freeflow travel time), they're now opting on a "reliable travel time", in other words, if you have 2 hours delay every day, it's reliable and therefore not needed to take action
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Old November 27th, 2008, 06:53 PM   #1846
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It's quite insane our government accepts these situations as a given fact.
well, its up to you: you should vote for another party next time...

(or are there no party supporting the roads?)
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Old November 27th, 2008, 06:56 PM   #1847
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It's usually not a very high agenda point when there are elections. Also, they make a lot of promises, but they're usually caught in a web of laws and NIMBY's. Besides that, the main staff at government ministry's usually stays the same, despite of election results.
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Old November 27th, 2008, 07:39 PM   #1848
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The current minister, Eurlings, seems to be doing a lot more than the previous ministers. But also he makes a lot of promises that cannot be fulfilled (not his fault - NIMBY's).
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Old November 27th, 2008, 08:34 PM   #1849
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It's quite insane our government accepts these situations as a given fact.

I noticed policy changed over the years. From a minimum travel time (max 2 times the freeflow travel time), they're now opting on a "reliable travel time", in other words, if you have 2 hours delay every day, it's reliable and therefore not needed to take action
It's a well known fact that our politicians are not interested in these (and other common) issues. It would be interesting to investigate the possibilities of forcing the government to do more about this, especially considering the fact that most the taxes paid by the drivers is not used for solving these problems.

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Yes, there is: Nederland Mobiel whose website has a whopping 8469 hits!

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The current minister, Eurlings, seems to be doing a lot more than the previous ministers.
Because he is the first male on this department since 1982, with the small exception of Roelf de Boer for 86 days in 2002. Feminism pur sang? Nevertheless Minister Eurlings' ambitions are also halted by our politicians. I always wondered why a politician like Pieter Hofstra never became minister on this department.
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Old November 27th, 2008, 10:30 PM   #1850
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Some "warmer" pics by me, shot in April 2007. I think you can guess the location (hint: the motorway is the A7)

At the rest area:






At the monument:










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Old November 27th, 2008, 10:33 PM   #1851
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Some nice pics I only have pics from the Monument rest area in the early morning, and yours are way better. You had some pretty good weather

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Old November 27th, 2008, 10:36 PM   #1852
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Indeed nice pics, the Afsluitdijk looks almost surrealistic and never-ending.
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Old November 27th, 2008, 10:46 PM   #1853
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I should make a video of that dike Even with 20 times speed, you won't notice

Can you believe I've only crossed the afsluitdijk only like 3 times in my live? It's not a very logical route from Zwolle.

I've driven certain locations in Denmark or Southern France more often than that.
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Old November 27th, 2008, 10:50 PM   #1854
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I have crossed it only once so you are still leading...
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Old November 27th, 2008, 10:51 PM   #1855
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Oh yeah, I crossed it about twenty times by now

On some sunday morning the bridge on the North-Holland side closed right behind us. In fact, we were the last ones to pass before the bridge opened. So of course we tested the car on it's performance (Renault Scenic, not the Prius), we made it up to 190, when we had to slow down
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Old November 27th, 2008, 11:23 PM   #1856
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140 kilometers of traffic jam in the vicinity of Rotterdam alone.

The whole region seems gridlocked.
[IMG]http://i37.************/16kw379.png[/IMG]

Amsterdam suffers from over 200 kilometers of traffic jam.
[IMG]http://i34.************/219nk8n.jpg[/IMG]

Utrecht ain't much better.
[IMG]http://i34.************/jrpglu.jpg[/IMG]
I must have been incredibly lucky when I lived in Utrecht for four months a few years ago: Ok, I didn't drive all that much and most certainly not every day, but still I got about 2000 kms of Dutch asphalt under my wheels and not a single serious traffic jam...
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Old November 27th, 2008, 11:24 PM   #1857
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Did you drive on sunday mornings or sth?
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Old November 27th, 2008, 11:25 PM   #1858
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The Dutch motorway network has a huge peak vs low differentation. However, rushhours becoming longer, starting around 6 am or before, and lasting till 10.30 and start again before 3 pm and last well over 7 pm. Weekends are still doable though, but not TJ-free.
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Old November 27th, 2008, 11:30 PM   #1859
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In a few years time the rush hour will last from 5 am to 8 pm On Fridays the afternoon rush hour usually starts a little earlier, so it's just a question when there will be only one rush hour left
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Did you drive on sunday mornings or sth?
Only Friday afternoons.

Seriously, most of my driving was not in peak rush hours, quite a bit on quieter sections of motorway and "rural" highways and we tried to avoid major metropolitan areas in the busiest periods. But still, rather surprising, I'd say... On the other hand: I worked with a Canadian from Toronto who wasn't at all impressed by Dutch "rush hours"...
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