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Old November 27th, 2008, 11:32 PM   #1861
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I must be said that the amount and the length of jams increased horribly in the last few years. Especially on the A27 near Lexmond, for example.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 09:41 AM   #1862
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On the other hand: I worked with a Canadian from Toronto who wasn't at all impressed by Dutch "rush hours"...
The difference is Toronto has 5.5 million inhabitants, while our largest metropolitan area has barely over 1 million people.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 09:43 AM   #1863
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We can call the Randstad a metropolitan area, the towns are growing much more into each other, but agreed, it's not from 'one city'.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 09:48 AM   #1864
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You can't really compare the Randstad to Greater Toronto, urbanwise.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 09:49 AM   #1865
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Greater Toronto is probably more widespread, while the Randstad consists of very densely populated towns, but with widespread agricultural land in between. But still, it's all close together, so it's kind of metropolitan area
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Old November 28th, 2008, 10:25 AM   #1866
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The Netherlands doesn't have very densely populated towns, European speaking. They're denser than US cities, but nothing compared to major European cities like Paris or Madrid.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 05:24 PM   #1867
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You can't really compare the Randstad to Greater Toronto, urbanwise.
I know. And there's obviously a serious jam problem in the Randstad. My point was merely that everything depends on what you're used to, and afaik, many Dutch motorways have amazingly high AADT figures. It's also the only country in which I've been rather pleased I was going straight through certain junctions - having to figure out the proper lane for a left turn on 3+3+3+3 stretches in heavy, 110 kph traffic, makes me somewhat anxious, even though I'm a pretty experienced motorway driver...
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Old November 29th, 2008, 02:35 AM   #1868
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The difference is Toronto has 5.5 million inhabitants, while our largest metropolitan area has barely over 1 million people.
The city of Amsterdam and surrounding cities are advertising themselves as the Amsterdam Metropolitan Area of more than 2 million people, which is twice (1,5x more if you add water) as dense as the Greater Toronto Area. The definition of a metropolitan area is vague, but if you say the Randstad is a metropolitan area we are getting an area very similar in seize (in population and area) as the Greater Toronto Area.

The Greater Toronto Area isn't impressive in density (780/km2), our most populus provinces have higher densities. The big difference between the Randstad is the urban area of Toronto. The urban area of Toronto has 4,753,120 (according to wiki) on 1,749 km², which would make 2718/km2. This is almost as dense as the city of Rotterdam. The city and the urban area of Toronto are the big difference with the Randstad, not the metropolitan area/conurbation.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 09:14 PM   #1869
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New style signs in my city; Zwolle, Overijssel.



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Old November 29th, 2008, 09:18 PM   #1870
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Font is definitely too small
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Old November 29th, 2008, 09:21 PM   #1871
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It's the standard-issue font size. I never noticed any problems with it. I must admit I'm not sure the motorway fonts are the same as the non-motorway fonts, since overheads on non-motorways are pretty rare (but not so much anymore lately), so maybe it looks small because the sign is so big
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Maybe it's because of large signs ase you're saying.

BTW Is the Zwolle ring divided into four parts: noord, zuid, oost and west, or these signs show just directions?
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Old November 29th, 2008, 09:38 PM   #1873
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I like "RING". Our signs, pointing to our ring, are green and say "AC obroč/ring" (AC=avtocestni=motorway (adjective)), with the motorway sign beside it (even when it points to the expressway part of it, but eventually you can get on the motorway part anyway). Sorry for OT.
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Maybe it's because of large signs ase you're saying.

BTW Is the Zwolle ring divided into four parts: noord, zuid, oost and west, or these signs show just directions?
The ringroad is indeed divided into the four cardinal directions you just said. Although, there's no ring west. So the ring East does not travel eastbound, but is along the eastern side of the city.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 11:03 PM   #1875
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Time for some videos again

A15 motorway Nijmegen - Geldermalsen

A drive on the westbound A15 motorway, from interchange Valburg near Nijmegen to interchange Deil near Geldermalsen, a distance of 40 kilometers.



A2 motorway Geldermalsen - Utrecht

A drive on the northbound A2 motorway, from Interchange Deil to Interchange Oudenrijn, a distance of 27 kilometers. The A2 is one of the most congested motorways of the Netherlands with individual traffic jams often exceeding 30 kilometers in length. Most of the A2 is now under reconstruction, and generally 2 lanes per direction are added to cope with the major delays of earlier projects. Along this section, the A2 is being widened from 2x2 to 2x4 lanes, including the reconstruction of Interchange Everdingen.

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Nice video's Chris

I like our new signs though I can't wait until they install them around here. The area around Arnhem seems to have a lot of these new signs. Does anyone (read: Chris ) know how many % has been replaced by now?
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Old November 29th, 2008, 11:46 PM   #1877
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They only replace specific locations for now, and some others with damaged signs. It could take years before everything has been replaced.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 11:48 PM   #1878
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Well, I guess that the new motorways (not so many, unfortunately) will get new signs?
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Old November 29th, 2008, 11:51 PM   #1879
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There are no motorways U/C at the moment in the Netherlands. Maybe some reconstructed ones (A2 perhaps?)
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Sorry about that, but yes, the A2 is what I was referring to.
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