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Old June 10th, 2005, 06:46 PM   #1
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FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022 bids

This thread is for news/ pictures to do with the 2018/2022 World Cups. The official bidding nations for 2018 are Australia, Belgium & The Netherlands, England, Indonesia, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Space & Portugal, USA. Qatar and South Korea intend to only bid for the 2022 tournament.

I have only included stadia from each bidding nation(s) that meet the 40,000+ FIFA regulations. These are only suggested venues - The official bid stadiums will be added when we know of them:


In alphabetical order:



Australia

Existing Venues:

Melbourne Cricket Ground (Melbourne)
Cap. 100,000


ANZ Stadium (Sydney)
Cap. 83,500


Etihad Stadium (Melbourne)
Cap. 56,400


Suncorp Stadium (Brisbane)
Cap. 52,500


Sydney Football Stadium (Sydney)
Cap. 42,000



Potential/future Venues:

Perth stadium (Perth)
Cap: ~60,000




Belgium/The Netherlands:


Amsterdam Arena (Amsterdam)
Cap. 55,000


Stadion Feijenoord (Rotterdam)
Cap. 51,000


Koning Boudewijn Stadion (Brussels)
Cap. 50,000






England:

(potential venues listed - currently only 2 London stadia are allowed)


Wembley (London)
Cap. 90,000


Twickenham (London)
Cap. 82,000
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Old Trafford (Manchester)
Cap. 76,000


Emirates Stadium (London)
Cap. 60,000


St. James Park (Newcastle)
Cap. 52,000+ (may be expanded for the tournament)


City of Manchester Stadium (Manchester)
Cap. 48,500 (May be expanded to 60,000)


Stadium of Light (Sunderland)
Cap. 48,000




Potential/future Stadia:


New Anfield (Liverpool)
Cap. 60,000~75,000


New White Hart Lane stadium (London)
Cap. 58,000


City of Birmingham Stadium
Cap. ~55,000


New Everton Stadium (Liverpool)
Cap. 50,000+






Indonesia

Bung Karno Stadium (Jakarta)
Cap. 100,000


Palaran Stadium (Samarinda)
Cap. 60,000


Jaka Baring Stadium (Palembang)
Cap. 55,000
[IMG]http://i43.************/125sx8g.jpg[/IMG]

Jalak Harupat Soreang Stadium (Bandung)
Cap. 40,000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium...ng_soreang.jpg



Japan

Yokohoma Stadium (Yokohoma)
Cap. 70,000



Saitama Stadium (Saitama)
Cap. 63,700


Tokyo Olympic Stadium (Tokyo)
Cap. 57,000


Shizuoka Stadium
Cap. 51,000


Nagai Stadium (Osaka)
Cap. 50,000


Sapporo Dome (Sapporo)
Cap. 42,000







Mexico

Estadio Azteca (Mexico City
Cap. 105,000


Estadio Olimpico Universitario
Cap. 72,400


Estadio La Corregidora
Cap. 50,000


Estadio Jalisco (Guadalajara)
Cap. 63,000


Estadio Chivas (Guadalajara)
Cap. 45,000


Unviersity Stadium (Monterrey)
Cap. 45,000



Potential/future Stadiums:

Arena Indios (Ciudad Juárez)
Cap. ~40,000






Russia

Olimpiyskiy Kompleks Luzhniki Stadion (Moscow)
Cap. 83,000



Potential/future stadiums:


Zenit Stadium (St. Petersberg)
Cap. 62,000



Stadion Spartak (Moscow)
Cap. 42,000
[IMG]http://i43.************/ie49qq.jpg[/IMG]



Spain/Portugal

Camp Nou (Barcelona)
Cap. 108,000
[IMG]http://*************************/barcelona/jpgs/camp_nou_fosters_oct07_1.jpg[/IMG]

Santiago Bernabeu (Madrid)
Cap. 80,400


New Mestella (Valencia)
Cap. 75,000


Estadio da Luz (Lisbon)
Cap. 65,000


Estadio Vicente Calderón (Madrid)
Cap. 57,000
[IMG]http://i39.************/df9ikx.jpg[/IMG]

Barcelona Olympic Stadium (Barcelona)
Cap. 56,000


Estadio Alvalade (Lisbon)
Cap. 50,000


Estádio do Dragão (Porto)
Cap. 50,000
[IMG]http://i44.************/ipmic2.jpg[/IMG]


Potential/future stadia:


New Estadio Manuel (Seville)
Cap. 64,000


San Mames (Bilbao)
Cap: 56000







USA (hundreds of potential venues, just a sample)

Giants Stadium (New York)
Cap: 80,000


Reliant Stadium (Houston)
Cap: 72,000


University of Phoenix Stadium (Phoenix)
Cap: 63,400



Qwest Field (Seattle)
Cap: 67,000


Dallas Stadium (Dallas)
Cap: 80,000 (Completed 2009)



Lincoln Financial Field (Philadelphia)
Cap: 68,000


Soldier Field (Chicago)
Cap: 61,000


Fedex Field (Washington D.C)
Cap: 91,000


Invesco Field (Denver)
Cap : 76,000


L.A Memorial Coliseum (Los Angeles)
Cap: 92,000


Bank of America Stadium (Charlotte)
Cap: 73,000



Pictures from www.worldstadiums.com, www.stadiumguide.com and www.photobucket.com

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Old June 23rd, 2005, 01:37 PM   #2
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With the World Cup of Football next to be held in Germany, Europe. Then South Africa in 2010 and South America looks like it will get it in 2014 more than likely Brazil. Australia is going for 2018 "officially" it seems with the local FA and various governments all keen to have a crack at it. (Might be our only way of qualifying)

The problems with Australia hosting the event are not financial or even infrastructure. More problems with rival footballing codes of the AFL and NRL who control the largest and finest stadia in the land when the World Cup usually is held. Ideally FIFA would yield and let us stage the even in October/November and everybody would be happy. Well here is 13 years notice.

As it stands right now if Germany goes bust and cannot host the event next year, then OZ could step up and hold the event without too many issues.

Stadia:

Melbourne: MCG cap. 100,000, Docklands 55,000
Sydney: Homebush 82,000, The SFS 42,000
Newcastle: 30,000 (easily expanded)
Brisbane: 52,000
Adelaide: Football Park: 50,000, Hindmarsh 18,000(easily expanded)
Perth: Subiaco: 44,000

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Old June 23rd, 2005, 01:43 PM   #3
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Not many people down our way are intrested in soccer, but it could happen, only bad thing is that the country is so large, and spread out that it would be hard to keep it all together, and overseas fans would be travling form one city to another to follow their team through the events.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 04:16 PM   #4
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The chances of a world cup in october are about as close to zero as possible, maybe in dec/jan if a Europe wide mid season break came about but thats still very unlikely IMHO. The fact is that any bid that has soccer playing second fiddle to another sport just isnt going to interest FIFA.

I'd say the main factors agenst it would be that if Brazil gets 2014 Europe is likely to push hard for 2018 and the fact that your most likely going to be tossed in with the asian countries as far as rotation goes which means competing with China.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 04:23 PM   #5
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They have said if Oz gets this, it could be the death certificate to the AFL
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 05:31 PM   #6
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They have said if Oz gets this, it could be the death certificate to the AFL
That'll never happen. They were saying the same thing about the Rugby WC in 2003, lo and behold AFL is stronger than ever. It has too much of a stranglehold on the populace (at least in the 4 stronghold states: VIC, TAS, WA, SA).

It would certainly strengthen Soccer in Australia though which can only be a good thing. However, it is unrealistic that Australia could host it with the majority of current venues. Most of them are configured for oval sports like AFL and cricket... really the only really suitable venues (rectangle pitch and decent capacity) are Suncorp in Brissy, and SFS in Sydney.

So to host it, there would be quite a few new venues required... as good as the MCG, GABBA, Subi, Telstra Stadium and Dome are... they are just not ideal to watch sports played on a rectangle pitch.

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Old June 23rd, 2005, 10:41 PM   #7
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From that pic I wouldnt say the MCG is that much worse than your average ground with a running track (such as the one which is going to be hosting the WC final next year) plus it does have a steep seating incline which helps IMHO. Any possibilty they could temporaly extend the stands on either side onto the pitch a little more?
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They would certainly not use subiaco in perth. By 2010, MES will hold 35,000. It could be upgraded to above 40,000 by 2018.
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bobdabuilder: brisbane has two potential sites not 1
Suncorp (52,000) and the Gabba (45,000)
And Suncorp i hear is one of the best stadiums in the country
with every seat being very close to the action
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Old June 24th, 2005, 11:51 AM   #10
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That'll never happen. They were saying the same thing about the Rugby WC in 2003, lo and behold AFL is stronger than ever. It has too much of a stranglehold on the populace (at least in the 4 stronghold states: VIC, TAS, WA, SA).

It would certainly strengthen Soccer in Australia though which can only be a good thing. However, it is unrealistic that Australia could host it with the majority of current venues. Most of them are configured for oval sports like AFL and cricket... really the only really suitable venues (rectangle pitch and decent capacity) are Suncorp in Brissy, and SFS in Sydney.

So to host it, there would be quite a few new venues required... as good as the MCG, GABBA, Subi, Telstra Stadium and Dome are... they are just not ideal to watch sports played on a rectangle pitch.

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In many countries they play games in an Olympic Sized stadium with tracks and all. Its awfull atmosphere but im sure they will make temporary seating esp at the mcg were there in melbourne, There are many Europeans that would go to watch easily Filling capacity. the thing is, We live so far from the rest of the world, Many people would go to the World cup regardless of who is playing simply because its a ''once in a lifetime'' opputunity.
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On ovals being used as venues. Maybe they should just put a running track in to make it look more like a European stadium. That would make it more acceptable to the soccer people.

In all seriousness I've been to Stadio Olimpico in Roma and seen games it is actually a fair bit farther from the action than you will get at the MCG. The MCG is not too bad for soccer actually when there is more than 70,000 there. The new extensions will make it excellent. You are a similar distance from the pitch to what the old Wembley was like.

The main issue I can see is the dates of potentially staging the event. FIFA wants June/July. But it is AFL/NRL time and they hold the leases and control the stadia. It would have to be between Oct and March for it to ever happen so they can also take maximum press coverage which would be limited if they ran head-to-head against the local games.

As a death certificate for AFL. Won't happen. The game is older than soccer, and AFL just disapearing is about as likely as Catholics converting en-masse to Islam. The only possible way it could happen is if FIFA adopted Aussie Rules as the new laws of their sport. Then it could happen.

All up, if it is to happen the new pro league here has to become a success and get average crowds up towards 20,000 a match as well as the Socceroos performing well and making World Cups not to mention FIFA doing Oz a huge favour in coming out here.
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i'd say they should only play Melbourne, Sydney, Newcastle, and Brisbane. That is about the same size of germany, and they would just have to divide the games up that every team plays in every city, if that is possible. I think it would be awesome to have them. If we could pull off something as good as the Sydney Olympics, think about the potentials....
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The main issue I can see is the dates of potentially staging the event. FIFA wants June/July. But it is AFL/NRL time and they hold the leases and control the stadia. It would have to be between Oct and March for it to ever happen so they can also take maximum press coverage which would be limited if they ran head-to-head against the local games.
I don't think you'd stand any chance what so ever with a bid that had soccer playing second fiddle to another sport. With all the money a World Cup brings in I'd guess AFL/NRL pride rather than cash would be the main problem.

As far as stadiums go I think you'd be able to use the MCG and maybe the Telstra Dome but elsewhere you'd probabley need a few more extended/new rubgy/soccer style stadiums.

As I said I think the main problems for an aussie 2018 would not be your ability to host it so much as your rivals. With Australia moving into the asian qualifing group I think your going to have a very hard time convincing people you should have a seperate rotation from Asia as hosts with means potentially competing with China. Also if Brazil hosts in 2014 I'd guess it could well be on the condiction that europe hosts in 2018 with England and Spain as obvious candidates.
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If a backroom deal gets done for Europe to stage again in 2018, then we go for 2022. No biggee there, whats 4 more years?

Telstra Dome would be ideal for soccer as you can drag the ground floor seats around the pitch to make the field almost rectangular. I have no idea why they have not been using the facility already for rugby and soccer matches. I heard somewhere that they never installed the motors so you can push the seats in. But you can actually see the joins for the sections that move about if you take a look at the ground floor section, so it is technically possible.

I personally cannot see an issue in playing right across the continent, including Perth, afterall they did it for USA 94 and continental America is roughly of similar size to Oz. It turned out to be the most successfully staged and profitable World Cup of all time. Easily the most tickets sold and they did not have to spend any money on building venues as they were already built, like we have down here. With airline ticket prices as they are now, the geographical size is irrelevant, you can just hop on a place and fly around pretty cheaply. Also it is well documented that Perth will be looking to build a new 60,000 seat stadium to house AFL and rectangular sports in the not too distant future. Subiaco is too small for projected growth for demand for sports tickets.

In a decade or so you would assume that Adelaide would be taking the wrecking ball to Footy Park and rebuilding their stadium as it is beginning to look past it even now. Plus the amount of cash the Crows and Power bring in with average gates of 35,000-40,000 a week means that it would not be wasting that much dosh.

Who knows what will be happening in places like Townsville and Gold Coast in the next 20 years also. They might build themselves decent rectangular stadiums as well for RL and possibly A-League.

One day, I am certain of it the World Cup of Football will come to Australia. FIFA wants to do it, and we want to do it. That is already on the record. We just need to get around the political side of it which is the big stumbling block the rest is all in place as of today.
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Forgive my ignorance of Aussie sports but isn't the AFL just Rugby?
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Only way Oz will qualify.
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Id like to see the US Qualify in any other confederation than the one they have been 'given' by FIFA.
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Forgive my ignorance of Aussie sports but isn't the AFL just Rugby?

No, very diffrent, rugby is only strong in two states, Queensland and New South Wales, the rest of Aus does not take too much intrest in Rugby, they like AFL more, but everystate (exept Tas and NT and ACT) has an AFL team, with Victoria being the birthplace, having the most.
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Id like to see the US Qualify in any other confederation than the one they have been 'given' by FIFA.
I think they'd stand a decent chance elsewhere but the couple of "bonus" spots they have right now just incase they can't get past Costa Rica are rather insulting to any major european/south american team that fails to qualify.

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Forgive my ignorance of Aussie sports but isn't the AFL just Rugby?
Yeah, totally different sports. For starters, AFL is played on an oval pitch that has no set dimensions (the ground size varies from stadium to stadium, from the wide MCG to the narrow Kardinia Park), as compared to Rugby and Rugby League (RL) which are played on a rectangular pitch. Futher, there is no 'Touchdown' type zone like in Gridiron, or for Tries in Rugby and RL, but rather you kick the ball between goals.

The game style is completely different too... with the main gameplay element being kicking from player-to-player and 'marking' (catching) the ball, as opposed to passing the ball as in Rugby and RL. It is very fast and engaging to watch, very confusing if you are uninitiated... whereas Rugby and RL tend to be more stop-start-stop-start.

Well, that is the basic differences any, hope it makes sense

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