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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old July 30th, 2007, 10:36 AM   #2081
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what are you talking about? by the time 2018 comes around England would not have hosted the WC for 52 years!!
i am not only talk about only world cup. i am talking about general organisation. u'll host olympics for example. i am boring to see same country. germany france usa japan spain etc...
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Old July 30th, 2007, 11:02 AM   #2082
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For 2018, either they go with the history, tradition and the most deserving bid and go with England, or they go with $$$ and go with the US. My guess is probably England, but a US with the capacity infrastructure and dollars could get it as well.
By 2018 I'd guess the $$$ might well be more in England. I'd guess that their biggest rival will be the Chinese, massive opportunity to grow the game their and you know that no expense will be spaired on the stadiums.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 11:24 AM   #2083
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The World Cup in 2018 is Englands. The fact Blatter keeps saying this is to convince people FIFA is'nt favoured to Europe and it continues to bring the money in. If nations know the World Cup will be coming to Europe, England will get a free run - no bidding process, less money in the committees coffers and a complete bore result. FIFA survive off World Cup bidding. Just like the IOC.

Infact, Blatter already knows where the 2018 cup is going, and he already knows if it didnt go to England there would be absoluete uproar and will cause massive frictions between the FA and FIFA - FIFA regard the FA as the most important single faculty outside UEFA. They make more money of Englands football association then the FA make off FIFA. They have more to lose then England apart from the money from the 2018 world cup.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 12:29 PM   #2084
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If Blatter wants to be fair (which I do not think is his true intention, he just needs support outside Europe, from the smaller and/or poorer countries) he should give Oceania a separate chance, just like he makes a distinction now between North and South America (or doesn't he?). If one would want to continue with the rotation policy, America should be considered as one continent, as should Europe (including Israel, Russia, Turkey and all the countries that are members of UEFA), Afrika and Asia+Oceania. If it then proves that the continent which turn it is can't make it, they should skip to the next in line... or make an exception and let everyone bid except for those who organized it recently.
Or can you dispose of this rotation system and use other criteria... but which?

Third option is to get rid of all criteria and leave it to a free competition system, where power/influence will be the main factors (to set things straight: I wouldn't feel comfortable with that). But to what extent isn't this already the case?
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Old July 30th, 2007, 02:07 PM   #2085
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Old July 30th, 2007, 04:45 PM   #2086
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Getting back to the Sunderland issue is there actually any chance of it getting expanded to 64,000? We all know it can as it has been built that way. I mean another 16,000 seats when they very rarely sell out at the moment due to the fact they are a yo-yo club and are constantly in and out of the premiership. 20 odd thousand fans in 64k stadium in the championship will just look stupid!
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Old July 30th, 2007, 05:06 PM   #2087
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The way it is designed it could be expanded and reverted with relatively little cost. And since the takeover and new management there have been many more seats sold, and many more when they enter the Premiership next season.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 05:13 PM   #2088
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Europe every other tournament is too much.
Not really, since Europe's got about 50% of the qualification spots as well.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #2089
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The way it is designed it could be expanded and reverted with relatively little cost. And since the takeover and new management there have been many more seats sold, and many more when they enter the Premiership next season.
Didnt they get planning permission to go up to 55,000(adding the second tier to the other end I'd guess) a few seasons ago only to shelve it when they went down?
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Old July 30th, 2007, 07:57 PM   #2090
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That's right, and they say if they are getting sell out crowds this season they'll go through and expand. Because of the way the Stadium of Light is, it is very easy to do at relatively short notice.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 08:33 PM   #2091
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By 2018 I'd guess the $$$ might well be more in England. I'd guess that their biggest rival will be the Chinese, massive opportunity to grow the game their and you know that no expense will be spaired on the stadiums.
I doubt every stadium in the English bud will be 60,000+ seats with 80+ suites and 6,000+ club/business seats, which is where the USA bid starts looking really good to FIFA.
China could throw together a good bid, but the average stadium wouldn't be much if any bigger than a US bid, and a lot of the stadiums would have athletics tracks (the for good 60,000+ stadiums currently all have tracks, and would probably all be included), a US bid would most likely have 0 with tracks. Which has to factor in a little. You're right about growing the game in China though, I see that is being the one big advantage to the Chinese bid (and to lesser extent the US bid over the English one as well).
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Old July 30th, 2007, 08:46 PM   #2092
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I doubt every stadium in the English bud will be 60,000+ seats with 80+ suites and 6,000+ club/business seats, which is where the USA bid starts looking really good to FIFA.
China could throw together a good bid, but the average stadium wouldn't be much if any bigger than a US bid, and a lot of the stadiums would have athletics tracks (the for good 60,000+ stadiums currently all have tracks, and would probably all be included), a US bid would most likely have 0 with tracks. Which has to factor in a little. You're right about growing the game in China though, I see that is being the one big advantage to the Chinese bid (and to lesser extent the US bid over the English one as well).
I really don't think there will be much difference between them by 2018 the way redevolpment is going in the premiership. You might see a few smaller stadiums host some group games but its likely almost every knockout game would be in a 60,000+ stadium with modern corperate facilties.

One massive advanatge that an English big would have over an American or Chinese one income wise would be that the matchs would be on at the correct time for the european TV markets.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 10:02 PM   #2093
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The NFL is still getting bigger and fancier as well, for better or worse.
Besides Indianapolis and Dallas facilities under construction, The Vikings, Chargers, 49ers, Giants/Jets all have proposals on the table.
To my understanding as things are (and will invariably change in the coming years) the respective bids would look something like this:

USA
Jerryworld 100,000 (with temp seating)
Fedex 92,000
Retrofitted Rose Bowl/Coliseum 80,000-90,000
New Giants stadium +/-80,000
Arrowhead stadium 79,000
Invesco Field 76,000
Dolphins Stadium 75,000
U of Phoenix 72,000 (with temp seating)
Qwest Field 72,000 (with temp seating
Possibly new Viking/49ers/Chargers stadium 68,000-72,000 seats
Average capacity of about 80,500 (would crack the 5,000,000 ticket mark of the course of the tournament)

England
Wembley 90,000
New anfield 76,000-80,000
Old Trafford 76,000
Stadium of Light 64,000
St. James Park 60,000
Emirates 60,000
New Everton 50,000
City of Manchester 48,000
Possibly Villa Park 50,000
New Birmingham City or New Portsmouth 40,000-50,000
Average of about 63,400 seats (would be about 4,000,000 over the course of the tournament)

thats a 17,100 seat difference per venue, which is more than noticeable and would definitley be taken into consideration. TV timing goes in Englands favor, but 1,094,400 tickets is a lot more people getting to be in the stands at the games.

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Old July 30th, 2007, 11:24 PM   #2094
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Is Togo vs Saudi Arabia really going to sellout an 80,000 seat stadium though?

Plus you don't get the total seats for a WC by multiplying average capacity by the number of games. Somewhere like the New Portsmouth stadium might only host 3-4 group games where as Wembley would probabley get 6-7.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 11:40 PM   #2095
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No, but Germany-Togo, or Argentina-Saudi Arabia might, and they would be in a 60,000 seater at best in England for that game. And say there is effectively a 700,000 seat difference over the course of the tournament, thats still significant, especially when theres about 10,000 more seats in the semi final and final rounds.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 12:01 AM   #2096
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I brought this up in the UK section about the use of NFL stadia.

This is from the requirements of hosting a hosting a world cup govt report

All stadia have to able to accommodate a pitch that is 68m wide and 105m long. There must be an at least an additional 6m space to the stand to the side of the pitch and then a 7.5m gap behind the goal to the stand.

American Stadiums could have a problem with this as (NFL) Football pitches are just 48.8m wide. Going by the dimensions of a (NFL) Football pitch there must be at least 12.6m of space each side of the current position of the sideline on both sides. Problems could also occur with the distance from the corner flag to the stand.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 12:14 AM   #2097
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I think all this speculation with the USA hosting the 2018 WC are wide of the mark. I Just can't see fifa hosting back-to-back tournaments in the Americas.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 12:27 AM   #2098
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Depends on how the FA organise it I spose, the german's made a mistake IMHO in being too PC with even match allocation(2 seeds games for every stadium and all stadiums host at least 1 knockout game) resulting in some big games being in too small a stadium and vice versa.

The difference IMHO is that while the NFL is upgrading from modern stadiums to slightly more modern stadiums the Premiership is upgrading from dated stadiums that needed standing room to reach proper capacity to modern stadiums.

Unlike say China or South Africa I don't see ticket revenue being different enough to be a massive factor. Fifa's desire to grow the game outside of UEFA and the G14's powerbase and the possibility of bigger sponsors would I'd guess be more of a factor although as Kiwibrit says twice in a row in the america's might be pushing it politically.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 02:53 AM   #2099
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this is a list, according to my little knowledge, of the possible 2018 stadium capacities and venues in England, forgetting about whether expansion would be difficult etc. or even possible (hypothetically speaking) keep in mind that the list does NOT take into account the rule of ONE stadium per city, this is simply a list of the 12 probable highest capacity stadiums in England by 2018:

1. Old Trafford - 96,000
2. Wembley - 90,000+ (expansion for WC???)
3. New Anfield - 80,000
4. St James' Park - 60,000-75,000+ (complete bowl)
5. Emirates Stadium - 60,000-72,000 (fill in corners?)
6. New Chelsea Stadium - 65/68,000?
7. Stadium of Light - 64,000
8. New Spurs Stadium - 60,000
9. New Birmingham Stadium - 55,000
10. Villa Park - 52,000+ (55,000)
11. New Everton - 50,000 (possibly 60,000)
12. Notts Forrest stadium - 40,000-50,000+
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Old July 31st, 2007, 03:19 AM   #2100
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This is not intended as a flame, I like to think the best of people, and all of the Turks I have ever met have been decent people, but -- this is the image of Turkish 'hospitality' that is known outside of Turkey.



No doubt there were 1000's of locals who rejoiced at the conviction of Demir, and condemned his actions, but the above kind of reporting is what Turkey is working against around the world.
Lol. They guy did something with a Turkish flag, wipet his ass or burnt it or something, right? It's not an act against one guy who did something in particular but against Turkey. I don't completely say it right but you get the point.

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