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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old July 31st, 2007, 04:25 AM   #2101
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I brought this up in the UK section about the use of NFL stadia.

This is from the requirements of hosting a hosting a world cup govt report

All stadia have to able to accommodate a pitch that is 68m wide and 105m long. There must be an at least an additional 6m space to the stand to the side of the pitch and then a 7.5m gap behind the goal to the stand.

American Stadiums could have a problem with this as (NFL) Football pitches are just 48.8m wide. Going by the dimensions of a (NFL) Football pitch there must be at least 12.6m of space each side of the current position of the sideline on both sides. Problems could also occur with the distance from the corner flag to the stand.
It's an issue in American stadiums, certainly. In 94 FIFA waived a lot of its requirements and let the US get away with narrower pitches and stadiums with bleacher seating and other things. I can't see FIFA doing that again. Several American stadiums are certainly too narrow for World Cup matches, among them FedEx field in DC, and others may be. Some NFL owners have tried to pack as many fans in as possible and narrowed the field, but other stadiums have been built with soccer in mind (like the new Cowboys stadium). How strict FIFA would be with the field width this time around is unknown (Weighing the loss of prestige and ticket sales from not using a 90,000 seat stadium in the nation's capital vs. the loss of five yards in width, for instance), but it can't help an American bid. Of course, with the rate stadiums are being built in the US, there may be five new ones by 2018 that all conform to world cup standards.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 05:52 AM   #2102
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Getting back to the Sunderland issue is there actually any chance of it getting expanded to 64,000? We all know it can as it has been built that way. I mean another 16,000 seats when they very rarely sell out at the moment due to the fact they are a yo-yo club and are constantly in and out of the premiership. 20 odd thousand fans in 64k stadium in the championship will just look stupid!

The board have distanced themselves from the probability of extending - however, they have applied to have the planning permission extended for another 5 (or 10, not sure) years as it runs out next year (I believe).

Not likely that they will extend until the team is doing good business on the pitch. The chairman has been publically critical of the previous chairman for spending money on extending the North Stand whilst the team was struggling on the pitch.

Certainly don't think that extentions would be done specifically to get host status at a world cup. We're talking about close to 9 million (sterling) to extend the South Stand, a further 12 million to extend the remaining stand and take the capacity right up to 63k. The board have already acknowledged that if they expand to 63k they'd have to drop prices significantly in order to fill the place.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 05:56 AM   #2103
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Lol. They guy did something with a Turkish flag, wipet his ass or burnt it or something, right? It's not an act against one guy who did something in particular but against Turkey. I don't completely say it right but you get the point.

Every country has things working against themselves. BUT, hooliganism is a problem in every country.
I know exactly what you are saying - I think the thing that shocked people about the Turkish incident was that people were saying it was acceptable, even FIFA came out and said something along the lines of "the Turkish are passionate people, these things happen". Whenever the English supporters do something stupid - you get an English media backlash about how bad they are. Sky News were out in Germany trying to stir trouble up - to the point that you could actually see the reporters getting frustrated whenever a German politician or Policeman said that there was no problems.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 06:09 AM   #2104
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Every country has things working against themselves. BUT, hooliganism is a problem in every country.
Um....no. It is prevalent in much of the world, but in many countries it is almost absent. In Canada, I only recall it happening twice in the past 30 years. Both times was over a hockey championship.

We recently hosted the U-20 World Cup. Not only were fans from both sides sat side by side rather than separated, the only hooliganism that occured was by Chilean soccer players who were upset over the officiating in the final, which they lost to Argentina.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 06:47 AM   #2105
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Places like Canada and Australia haven't got a chance as they have small markets and practically zero football culture/tradition.

Soccer isn't a major sport in Canada like it is in many other nations, but it says alot about how successful a World Cup would be in Canada that this supposedly small market set an attendance record at the recent U-20 World Cup. 1,156,187 people attended (with still 2 matches to go). The previous mark was set by Mexico back in 1983.

Not only has Canada demonstrated it's ability to host an impeccably run event, but it has shown massive support for this sport. It is all the more impressive when you consider that hockey, Canadian football, baseball, basketball, golf, and winter sports dominate here.

Canada has massive immigrant populations from every corner on earth. Not only will ALL teams receive sizable support, but soccer hooliganism is non-existent in this country. Fans sit side by side at games. They cheer loudly right next to fans from the opposing team. It's the Canadian way: celebrate your culture, but respect all. This was not lost on FIFA. They are on record as being ecstatic with the atmosphere and success of the U-20 event.

By the way, Spain (41 million) and England (49 million) aren't much bigger than Canada (33 million).

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Old July 31st, 2007, 07:16 AM   #2106
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I think, since South Africa is getting 2010 and a yet-unannounced South American country is getting 2014 (hopefully Brasil), that it should go back to Europe this time around...they are always restive to get it anyway.

Personally, I think it should be in England...just because I love the look of the Wembley stadium.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 09:45 AM   #2107
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Old July 31st, 2007, 10:08 AM   #2108
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Australia eyes Cup hosting double

By Philip Henderson
July 30, 2007

AUSTRALIA could launch an ambitious bid to host two of the world's biggest sporting events - football's World Cup and Asian Cup - within the space of three years.

Football Federation Australia chairman Frank Lowy has confirmed FFA will make a strong push to host the 2015 Asian Cup.

But leading FFA official John O'Sullivan claims such a bid would not rule out a challenge for the 2018 World Cup.

"I don't think if we host in 2015 it rules us out in 2018, it probably gives us a better opportunity to show our wares to FIFA,'' said O'Sullivan, the FFA head of commercial responsibilities.

"Australia's got proven event credentials. We've shown the world we can host Olympic Games, Paralympic Games, Commonwealth Games, the Rugby World Cup, swimming world championships, and we do it well.

"So I don't think it's a case of hosting one event one year rules out another event another year.

"We've always said that it's about setting a pathway of events. We've secured the first two in the AFC gala awards in November and the FIFA congress in May of next year.

"They're the major off-field events, so we'll now look at the major on-field events of which the AFC Asian Cup is one, the women's World Cup is another and obviously the FIFA World Cup.''

The 2015 Asian Cup and 2018 World Cup are the earliest Australia could hope to host either tournament.

With Qatar confirmed as host for the 2011 Asian Cup at the weekend, Australia will have until 2009 to prepare a bid for the 2015 event.

South Africa is due to host the 2010 World Cup, but under FIFA's rotational policy, the 2014 edition will be played in South America.

No continent has yet been slated for the 2018 tournament but the rotation is up for confirmation in November.

AAP
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Old July 31st, 2007, 02:28 PM   #2109
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AUSTRALIA could launch an ambitious bid to host two of the world's biggest sporting events - football's World Cup and Asian Cup - within the space of three years.
How far down the list of 'world's biggest sporting events' do you have to go before you find 'The Asian Cup'?

As for an Australian World Cup in 2018... Dreaming. Games to be played where?

Count out ALL the AFL venues - because the AFL won't shut down for two months in May/June whilst FIFA preps the stadiums and plays the games.

That leaves 3 completed grounds...

Aussie Stadium in Sydney.

Telstra Stadium in Sydney (assuming a deal can be reached for the Sydney AFL side to play their games at the SCG).

Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane.

Then...

A fully expanded Olympic Park Stadium in Melbourne.

Then... Erm... Anyone?

This is a country with some magnificent stadia, but I'm not sure the Aussie public would be happy with our tax dollars being spent on building/expanding another 4 or 5 stadiums 'just' for football. It's simply not (yet) a big enough sport over here.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 03:38 PM   #2110
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Count out ALL the AFL venues - because the AFL won't shut down for two months in May/June whilst FIFA preps the stadiums and plays the games.
I can't see any way an Aussie bid works unless the AFL takes a break (and the NRL too if you want to expand stadiums in Townsville and Newcastle to get up to 10 stadiums). If the AFL is going on, you lose the big grounds in Sydney and Melbourne that you need for the final and semis, plus necessary stadiums in Perth and Adelaide. Without those there is no bid.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 03:43 PM   #2111
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Soccer isn't a major sport in Canada like it is in many other nations, but it says alot about how successful a World Cup would be in Canada that this supposedly small market set an attendance record at the recent U-20 World Cup. 1,156,187 people attended (with still 2 matches to go). The previous mark was set by Mexico back in 1983.

Not only has Canada demonstrated it's ability to host an impeccably run event, but it has shown massive support for this sport. It is all the more impressive when you consider that hockey, Canadian football, baseball, basketball, golf, and winter sports dominate here.

Canada has massive immigrant populations from every corner on earth. Not only will ALL teams receive sizable support, but soccer hooliganism is non-existent in this country. Fans sit side by side at games. They cheer loudly right next to fans from the opposing team. It's the Canadian way: celebrate your culture, but respect all. This was not lost on FIFA. They are on record as being ecstatic with the atmosphere and success of the U-20 event.

By the way, Spain (41 million) and England (49 million) aren't much bigger than Canada (33 million).
A world cup in Canada would draw fine, would be well organized, and is a possibility down the road. The problem is the stadiums in Canada are not in good shape, and would require a massive overhaul and new construction to host a World Cup. You'd need a new Toronto stadium to host the final, probably a new one in Vancouver as well (or a major upgrade of BC Place), and Ottawa and Hamilton's stadiums should probably both be demolished and rebuilt. I think the US will get it again before Canada does, but I think Canada will eventually get the World Cup, although maybe not until 2038.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 04:17 PM   #2112
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Ben, remember the NRL are unlikely to shut down for 2 months either so i wouldnt exactly be locking in Suncorp just yet.

If FIFA really wanted the WC in Aus, then they will play it in the summer or winter or something. Why would anyone want to come down under and miss their own summer to a cold, wet and miserable day at the G???
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Old July 31st, 2007, 05:19 PM   #2113
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Ben, remember the NRL are unlikely to shut down for 2 months either so i wouldnt exactly be locking in Suncorp just yet.

If FIFA really wanted the WC in Aus, then they will play it in the summer or winter or something. Why would anyone want to come down under and miss their own summer to a cold, wet and miserable day at the G???
FIFA's not going to play the WC anytime but June, though. The international calendar is very complicated and changing something like the World Cup would be impossible for all the clubs and other competitions to accomodate.

This is why I think when the WC goes to Asia again (2022 or 2026) it will go to China.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 06:21 PM   #2114
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Wk bid Benelux

WK bid benelux for 2018

current and future stadiums belgium:

gent (arteveldestadion: 20000 seats):
price: 100 000 000 euro's

genk (cristal arena: 25000 seats):

plans to expand further commercially by casino, disco, museum,...

bruges (40000 seats) combined with shopping mall,...: see page 30

Anderlecht and national team of belgium :50000 seats near schaarbeek with a price of 200 000 000 euro's

training facilities for national team, referees,.. near tubize:
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England has some fantastic stadia, and some fantastic planned stadia but many (Emirates being the very best example) still suffer from an inability to host the necessary media and whatnot in sites by, or close to, the stadium. How important this issue is to FIFA, I don't know, but many of the potential stadia are surrounded by houses, roads etc. on all sides, which could be problematic. It's something that is, seemingly, becoming more and more important as time goes on and I'm wondering if this is something that would count against England in any World Cup bid?
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Old July 31st, 2007, 06:58 PM   #2116
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I have to say that i do not liked the Brazil stadiums (WC 2014)
England 2014 would have been better or Brazil should built new and better stadiums
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Old July 31st, 2007, 07:02 PM   #2117
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A possible list for a Spain bid:

Camp Nou, Barcelona: 98'000 (probably expanded to 110'000-120'000)

Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid: 80'000

Nou Mestalla, Valencia: 75'000

La Peineta, Madrid: 73'000

Manuel Ruiz de Lopera, Sevilla: 65'000-70'000

New San Mames, Bilbao: 56'000

Nueva Romareda, Zaragoza: ~50'000 (I think they want to build a bigger one than the one shown in the first post)


That would be 7 excellent stadiums, but after these, I don't know which else Maybe the project for the new RCD Mallorca stadium, but I don't know the probability of it being built.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 07:40 PM   #2118
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WK bid benelux for 2018

current and future stadiums belgium:

gent (arteveldestadion: 20000 seats):
price: 100 000 000 euro's

genk (cristal arena: 25000 seats):

plans to expand further commercially by casino, disco, museum,...

bruges (40000 seats) combined with shopping mall,...: see page 30

Anderlecht and national team of belgium :50000 seats near schaarbeek with a price of 200 000 000 euro's

training facilities for national team, referees,.. near tubize:
You forget a new stadium for Standard: 40 000
The stadium of Gent will cost 30 mil. And it won't be a WK stadium because it's to small.
Normally for the WK in Belgium, I think Bruges (40 000), Antwerp (40 000), Liège (40 000), Anderlecht (50 000), Brussel (national stadium; 60 000)

As a Genkboy you maybe know if Genk has plans to expand the Cristal Arena?
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Old July 31st, 2007, 07:41 PM   #2119
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you have not to forget the refurbished sanchez-pizjuan ( ~ 60000 ) , another one in sevilla , and also possible changes to expect in 10 years in the sadium domain for real madrid .
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Real will get a new stadium or do you just meant the retraceable roof?

Before Spain (last 1982) i would gave 2018 to England (last 1966)
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