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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old July 31st, 2007, 09:12 PM   #2121
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full summary of plans in Belgium:

1. National football centre euro 2000 near tubize:
- 5 footballpitches (3 syntetic, 1 syntetic = indoor)
- 1 rugbyfield
- 1 field with natural gras
- 1 trainingzone for goalkeepers
- 1 mini-pitch
- 1 mountainbike track
- 2 tennis courts
- 1 Finnish track
- 1 covered stand with seats in 3 levels (vestaires, rooms for medical
care, fitness, ...)
- 1 building for youth ( 8 vestaires, 4 vestaires for coaches, 2
medical rooms, 1 technical room and 1 for material)
- 1 hotel in 3 levels(60 rooms, 2 restaurants, rooms for directors,
swimming pool, shop, room for semenars, auditorium with translation
cabines , sauna, jacuzzi, ...

This can be very useful for utilisation during a worldcup. Most of this is already executed. Only the hotel isn't.

2. Genk: cristal arena (25000)
- 17000 normal seats
- 3000 business seats (17 lodges for 16 persons, 1000 corner seats, 500
seats in a lounge environment, 800 seats in a 'club' environment). The
modernisation of this part is done from march till now.
- still 5000 standing places (easily changed in seat stands)
- 1 museum ('goalmine': connection of mine history with football experience)
- 1 bar (eating and drinking): open all time
- 1 bar for youth (only drinking and snacks)
- 2 bars in corners (only during games)
- 1 fanshop
- overal places to drink and toilets in the stadium. Especially beer (graetest
beer selling place in belgium: 1million beers in 1 footballseason)
- 3 trainingpitches for pro (1 with stand for 2000 covered seats)
- 3 for youth
- vetaires for pro and youth, referees, fitness like in most stadiums

For a WC bid=> 3th ring in the stadium and changing the standing places in seats will lift up capacity to 35000-40000. There are currently plans for a uge sports and leisure complex with casino, disco,...

3. Anderlecht and National team of belgium:

plans for 50000 seats, price= 200 million euro's, multifunctional stadium probably near schaarbeek.

4. Bridges:

40000 seats in loppem, plans are on page 30. This stadium will be located near a shopping place

5 Standard Luik:

40000 seats = plans are not concrete for the moment

6. Antwerp:

plans for a 40000 seater


Plans for other stadium: modernisation of Sint -truiden (14000 seats with sports hotel, ...=> beginning of execution end 2007), Gent (20000 seats, skyboxes, near shopping place=> beginning this summer), Bergen (13 seats, execution now). This stadiums can be used as training facilities.


Holland:

1. Kuip (75000 seats, now 50000 seats)
2. Arena (60000 seats, now 50000 seats)
3. Philips stadium (50000 seats??: now 38000 seats)
4. Heereneen
5. Utrecht
6. Groningen/ Arnhem
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Old July 31st, 2007, 09:15 PM   #2122
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After the Pan Am games, I wouldn't wish the World Cup on the US.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 11:17 PM   #2123
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Real will get a new stadium or do you just meant the retraceable roof?

Before Spain (last 1982) i would gave 2018 to England (last 1966)
i just think there will be some stadium question , whatever it'd be , for real madrid in 10 years , if spain has willing to host the cup or more if the country gets it . At this moment , that's pure speculation . 7 years ago , there was a 120000 seats project which was scrapped due to fans resistance to leave bernabeu ( and because of the potential cost ) .
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Old July 31st, 2007, 11:27 PM   #2124
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Gillette Stadium (New England Revolution)



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Old August 1st, 2007, 05:18 AM   #2125
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Is that a 105 x 68 m pitch above?
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Old August 1st, 2007, 05:20 AM   #2126
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yup, it was designed for both kinds of football
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Old August 1st, 2007, 05:28 AM   #2127
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i like gillette stadium. has a nice fit to it. it definitely has my vote.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 06:04 AM   #2128
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After the Pan Am games, I wouldn't wish the World Cup on the US.
Why is that?
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Old August 1st, 2007, 06:47 AM   #2129
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Ben, remember the NRL are unlikely to shut down for 2 months either so i wouldnt exactly be locking in Suncorp just yet.

If FIFA really wanted the WC in Aus, then they will play it in the summer or winter or something. Why would anyone want to come down under and miss their own summer to a cold, wet and miserable day at the G???
FIFA won't 'WANT' the WC in Aus, they'll have to be convinced (and bribed, no doubt) to come here. They won't re-arrange the timing as it would throw out the timing of all the major leagues in Europe (and FIFA ultimately know that it's those leagues that power the football machine). That's why the bid is a virtual non-starter so long as the AFL season is on (unless they graciously agree to limit the comp to certain venues).

I didn't mention the NRL because, in all reality, it's irrelevent on this scale - they influence one major venue, whilst AFL influences almost ALL of the major ones.

Hope the A-League goes off big time this year - big season for Adelaide, create the need for a bigger Hindmarch - and we get a few expansion slots open for next season (Canberra, Gold Coast, Townsville, Sydney 2)... That's the best chance.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 07:44 AM   #2130
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It doesnt look good for the WC to come down under then does it.
1. AFL will be stubborn when it has to. It will protect its own interests first.
2. Its friggen winter in June. 4 seasons in one day in Melb. Hail stones in Sydney. Monsoons (sp?) up north. Cold in Tassie. Boring in Adelaide (jks). Middle of no-where in Perth. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
3. China is a big hombre to overcome.

So unless China completly f.cks the Olympics up or the AFL can accomadate this (which i doubt but you never know i.e Comm Games), it doesnt look good.

Oh and Ben, i agree... The NRL is irrelevant. lol.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 08:24 AM   #2131
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Why is that?
The US delegation didn't receive the best treatment, which is a huge understatement. I say if they don't want us, then why care?
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Old August 1st, 2007, 08:33 AM   #2132
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A possible list for a Spain bid:

Camp Nou, Barcelona: 98'000 (probably expanded to 110'000-120'000)

Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid: 80'000

Nou Mestalla, Valencia: 75'000

La Peineta, Madrid: 73'000

Manuel Ruiz de Lopera, Sevilla: 65'000-70'000

New San Mames, Bilbao: 56'000

Nueva Romareda, Zaragoza: ~50'000 (I think they want to build a bigger one than the one shown in the first post)


That would be 7 excellent stadiums, but after these, I don't know which else Maybe the project for the new RCD Mallorca stadium, but I don't know the probability of it being built.
After that you're either talking about renovating and expanding some stadiums that are in the 30,000 range now, or building new ones in the 40,000 range.

Possibilities: Riazor in A Coruña (I know there were plans a while ago to expand that were put on hold)? La Rosaleda in Málaga? Nueva Condomina in Murcia? Vigo? Elche? New stadium for Real Sociedad in San Sebastian?
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Old August 1st, 2007, 01:00 PM   #2133
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It doesnt look good for the WC to come down under then does it.
1. AFL will be stubborn when it has to. It will protect its own interests first.
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You make it sound like the AFL has full control over the stadiums they use...I can tell you....they dont....If the MCG want to bid for the FIFA World Cup venue...they will...Anyway..apart from the MCG and maybe the new Stadium WA..I cant think of any AFL venues that would be used.

simply put..the AFL have ZERO influence whether Australia hosts a WC.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 04:08 PM   #2134
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Lol just noticed I meant to post that Gillette stadium in the MLS thread, not sure what happened there! Never Mind cant be arsed to move it now!
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Old August 1st, 2007, 05:40 PM   #2135
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You make it sound like the AFL has full control over the stadiums they use...I can tell you....they dont....If the MCG want to bid for the FIFA World Cup venue...they will...Anyway..apart from the MCG and maybe the new Stadium WA..I cant think of any AFL venues that would be used.
Probably AAMI in Adelaide, unless Adelaide builds a new stadium.

I think the winter timing will still hurt Australia, though, even if they get use of all the grounds. And they'll have to expand or build new in several other places, because the whole thing can't be played in Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.

It should be a close race between Australia and China for who gets Asia's next world cup.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 06:25 PM   #2136
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I think the winter timing will still hurt Australia, though, even if they get use of all the grounds. And they'll have to expand or build new in several other places, because the whole thing can't be played in Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.
Actually I'd guess it would help as winter condictions suit football far better, compair that to China were temperatures will be around 30 degrees in June/July.
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 12:35 AM   #2137
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Probably AAMI in Adelaide, unless Adelaide builds a new stadium.

I think the winter timing will still hurt Australia, though, even if they get use of all the grounds. .
Its been currently snowing in parts of South Africa and just outside Jo'Burg.

I reckon Adelaide is our biggest hurdle because AAMI is not up to standard...
I would expect our World Cup cities to be...

Sydney-83,000 + 45,000
Melbourne-100,000
Brisbane-55,000
Perth-70,000
Adelaide?-50,000 New Stadium
Canberra-40,000
Newcastle40,000
Gold Coast-40,000
Townsville-40,000

6 Rectangular grounds
3 Rectangular(retractable) grounds
1 Oval ground

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Old August 2nd, 2007, 02:01 AM   #2138
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I think the winter timing will still hurt Australia, though, even if they get use of all the grounds. And they'll have to expand or build new in several other places, because the whole thing can't be played in Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.
South Africa 2010 will be during winter.
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 04:51 AM   #2139
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Its been currently snowing in parts of South Africa and just outside Jo'Burg.

I reckon Adelaide is our biggest hurdle because AAMI is not up to standard...
I would expect our World Cup cities to be...

Sydney-83,000 + 45,000
Melbourne-100,000
Brisbane-55,000
Perth-70,000
Adelaide?-50,000 New Stadium
Canberra-40,000
Newcastle40,000
Gold Coast-40,000
Townsville-40,000

6 Rectangular grounds
3 Rectangular(retractable) grounds
1 Oval ground
Regarding the 'retractable' grounds - Sydney and Perth are two, which is the other? Are we thinking of the new stadium for Adelaide?

I've also suggested before that Perth should be the city with two venues (possibly one in Fremantle if they can convince FIFA that it's a different city), in order to cut down on travel - with two venues they could base a group in WA meaning supporters of England, for example, wouldn't have to jump on a plane to get over to (for example) Brisbane for their next game, etc.

An interesting aside about Melbourne - when the Bracks government finally rubber stamped the new rectangular stadium for Olympic Park, they confirmed that the foundations of the stadium would be set for a capacity of 50k in case of a world cup bid... This suggests to me that they don't expect to be able to use either Telstra Dome (which will be owned by the AFL by 2018) or the MCG (which is under contract to the AFL throughout the regular season, and has fiercely defended it's contractual rights during finals over the last few years).
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 06:49 AM   #2140
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Its been currently snowing in parts of South Africa and just outside Jo'Burg.

I reckon Adelaide is our biggest hurdle because AAMI is not up to standard...
I would expect our World Cup cities to be...

Sydney-83,000 + 45,000
Melbourne-100,000
Brisbane-55,000
Perth-70,000
Adelaide?-50,000 New Stadium
Canberra-40,000
Newcastle40,000
Gold Coast-40,000
Townsville-40,000

6 Rectangular grounds
3 Rectangular(retractable) grounds
1 Oval ground
I feel like they'll want Tasmania to get a host city, too, assuming a new stadium can be built (or drastically expanded) in Launceston or Hobart.
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