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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old April 14th, 2006, 04:53 AM   #201
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Old April 14th, 2006, 04:54 AM   #202
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Yeah, that's what i meant.

Problem with Australia is, alot of our big stadiums are bloody ovals.
That means nothing
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Old April 14th, 2006, 04:54 AM   #203
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Blatter is an idiot, hes trying to take the 2014 World Cup out of Brazil or even South America.

If South Africa for example can do it, why we cant? Brazil is bigger, has more cities, football is way more popular and the country is richer aswell. Argentina, Chile and Mexico are pratically on the same level of Brazil and those countries populations are smaller and they dont have as many cities as Brazil has to host the matchs.

What Blatter wants? Maybe he wants us to start building everything before we know if we are really gonna host it...
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Old April 14th, 2006, 04:55 AM   #204
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We don't even have cities (or civilisation for that matter) spread out across the country, let alone stadiums. :P
correct. there are very few countries who haven't had it recently who could host it at such short notice: england (last had it in 66), italia (90), espana (82)... even those countries would have to rush the odd expansion here and there.
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it means nothing that the vast majority of australia's stadiums are oval!?

watching football with an athletics track around it is bad enough - watching a world cup game in a cricket ground would like watching table tennis at wimbledon!

the odd athletics stadium as a world cup venue is tolerated, the majority of venues being cricket grounds would be intolerable.
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it means nothing that the vast majority of australia's stadiums are oval!?

watching football with an athletics track around it is bad enough - watching a world cup game in a cricket ground would like watching table tennis at wimbledon!

the odd athletics stadium as a world cup venue is tolerated, the majority of venues being cricket grounds would be intolerable.
Don't worry. He doesnt know what he's talking about.
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it means nothing that the vast majority of australia's stadiums are oval!?

watching football with an athletics track around it is bad enough - watching a world cup game in a cricket ground would like watching table tennis at wimbledon!

the odd athletics stadium as a world cup venue is tolerated, the majority of venues being cricket grounds would be intolerable.
You have never seen football played at these stadiums, have you? It is no further away from the sideline than the average soccer ground.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 05:28 AM   #209
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You have never seen football played at these stadiums, have you? It is no further away from the sideline than the average soccer ground.
are you seriously trying to tell me that watching a football match at the MCG would be like watching a football match at, say, st james' park?



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Old April 14th, 2006, 05:33 AM   #210
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having been to a soccer match between Australia and Uruguay at TS I was not very disappointed with the view from the back row.
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The MCG is twice the size of Newcastle. Don't bother comparing them. You can compare Newcastle to Sydney's SFS or Docklands in Melbourne. The Southern Stand at the "G" is the same size of St. James to put it into perspective.

The MCG is MUCH larger even that Rome's Olympic Stadium or San Siro.

When Australia is playing there, the atmosphere is incredible.

The only stadium I have come across similar in the world was in Rome for the derby between Lazio/Roma or in Milan.

The English crowds are pretty quiet by comparison. You guys need to get passionate!

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Old April 14th, 2006, 05:38 AM   #212
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The MCG is twice the size of Newcastle. Don't bother comparing them. You can compare Newcastle to Sydney's SFS or Docklands in Melbourne.

The MCG is MUCH larger even that Rome's Olympic Stadium or San Siro.

When Australia is playing there, the atmosphere is incredible.

The only stadium I have come across similar in the world was in Rome for the derby between Lazio/Roma or in Milan.

The English crowds are pretty quiet by comparison. You guys need to get passionate!
number one: the comparison was about the stands' proximity to the pitch rather than their capacity.

number two: english crowds are pretty quiet compared to aussie crowds!?

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it means nothing that the vast majority of australia's stadiums are oval!?

watching football with an athletics track around it is bad enough - watching a world cup game in a cricket ground would like watching table tennis at wimbledon!

the odd athletics stadium as a world cup venue is tolerated, the majority of venues being cricket grounds would be intolerable.

Actually the only Cricket venue would be the MCG (final venue). The other oval venues would be Aussie Football.


MCG - Melbourne - 100,000 - Oval
Telstra Stadium - Sydney - 83,000 - Rectangle (but oval-like ends)
Telstra Dome - Melbourne - 56,000 - Can be configured to rectangle
Suncorp Stadium - Brisbane - 52,500 - Rectangle
AAMI Stadium - Adelaide - 51,500 - Oval
Subiaco Oval - Perth - 42,900 - Oval

Unless the rules change then Sydney's Aussie Stadium - 42,000 - rectangle, couldn't be used as Melbourne has two stadiums in use.

There is talk of a possible 70,000 seat stadium being built in Perth that would be oval, but like TD could be configured to rectangle with a moveable first tier.

Some of the following would need to be upgraded for a higher capacity:
Canberra Stadium - Canberra - 25,000 - rectangle
Energy Australia Stadium - Newcastle - 25,000 - rectangle
Central Coast Stadium - Gosford - 20,000 - rectangle
Dairy Farmers Stadium - Townsville - 22,000 - rectangle
WIN Stadium - Woolongong - 20,000 - rectangle
Skilled Stadium - Geelong - 27,000 - oval
Aurora Stadium - Launceston - 23,000 - oval


There is not enough there currently to host it. We would probably only have 3 oval stadiums in the WC, which is fewer than how many hosts have athletic tracks (and there is no difference between the two IMHO).

With the A-League growing i think it is entirely viable for the smaler rectangle stadiums to be upgraded to 40,000 in the future, but maybe not in time for 2014.

If Peth ends up getting a new 70,000 seater it would help our cause.

I think we will be capable of hosting one in the forseeable future, but not in time for 2014. The oval-sield situation is not as bad as some would claim.

A joint bid with NZ could be workable as they have a few stadiums that could get us over the line, but they have advertising trouble (rugby WC 03 anyone?) and there rugby fields are basically cricket ovals anyway.
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You couldn't afford to sit near the pitch anyway!
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The MCG is twice the size of Newcastle. Don't bother comparing them. You can compare Newcastle to Sydney's SFS or Docklands in Melbourne.

The MCG is MUCH larger even that Rome's Olympic Stadium or San Siro.

When Australia is playing there, the atmosphere is incredible.

The only stadium I have come across similar in the world was in Rome for the derby between Lazio/Roma or in Milan.

The English crowds are pretty quiet by comparison. You guys need to get passionate!
English crowds are passionate, but not as much as AFL crowds
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Actually the only Cricket venue would be the MCG (final venue). The other oval venues would be Aussie Football.


MCG - Melbourne - 100,000 - Oval
Telstra Stadium - Sydney - 83,000 - Rectangle (but oval-like ends)
Telstra Dome - Melbourne - 56,000 - Can be configured to rectangle
Suncorp Stadium - Brisbane - 52,500 - Rectangle
AAMI Stadium - Adelaide - 51,500 - Oval
Subiaco Oval - Perth - 42,900 - Oval

Unless the rules change then Sydney's Aussie Stadium - 42,000 - rectangle, couldn't be used as Melbourne has two stadiums in use.

There is talk of a possible 70,000 seat stadium being built in Perth that would be oval, but like TD could be configured to rectangle with a moveable first tier.

Some of the following would need to be upgraded for a higher capacity:
Canberra Stadium - Canberra - 25,000 - rectangle
Energy Australia Stadium - Newcastle - 25,000 - rectangle
Central Coast Stadium - Gosford - 20,000 - rectangle
Dairy Farmers Stadium - Townsville - 22,000 - rectangle
WIN Stadium - Woolongong - 20,000 - rectangle
Skilled Stadium - Geelong - 27,000 - oval
Aurora Stadium - Launceston - 23,000 - oval


There is not enough there currently to host it. We would probably only have 3 oval stadiums in the WC, which is fewer than how many hosts have athletic tracks (and there is no difference between the two IMHO).

With the A-League growing i think it is entirely viable for the smaler rectangle stadiums to be upgraded to 40,000 in the future, but maybe not in time for 2014.

If Peth ends up getting a new 70,000 seater it would help our cause.

I think we will be capable of hosting one in the forseeable future, but not in time for 2014. The oval-sield situation is not as bad as some would claim.

A joint bid with NZ could be workable as they have a few stadiums that could get us over the line, but they have advertising trouble (rugby WC 03 anyone?) and there rugby fields are basically cricket ovals anyway.
Then there is the two new stadiums to be built which could expand
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Actually the only Cricket venue would be the MCG (final venue). The other oval venues would be Aussie Football.


MCG - Melbourne - 100,000 - Oval
Telstra Stadium - Sydney - 83,000 - Rectangle (but oval-like ends)
Telstra Dome - Melbourne - 56,000 - Can be configured to rectangle
Suncorp Stadium - Brisbane - 52,500 - Rectangle
AAMI Stadium - Adelaide - 51,500 - Oval
Subiaco Oval - Perth - 42,900 - Oval

Unless the rules change then Sydney's Aussie Stadium - 42,000 - rectangle, couldn't be used as Melbourne has two stadiums in use.

There is talk of a possible 70,000 seat stadium being built in Perth that would be oval, but like TD could be configured to rectangle with a moveable first tier.

Some of the following would need to be upgraded for a higher capacity:
Canberra Stadium - Canberra - 25,000 - rectangle
Energy Australia Stadium - Newcastle - 25,000 - rectangle
Central Coast Stadium - Gosford - 20,000 - rectangle
Dairy Farmers Stadium - Townsville - 22,000 - rectangle
WIN Stadium - Woolongong - 20,000 - rectangle
Skilled Stadium - Geelong - 27,000 - oval
Aurora Stadium - Launceston - 23,000 - oval


There is not enough there currently to host it. We would probably only have 3 oval stadiums in the WC, which is fewer than how many hosts have athletic tracks (and there is no difference between the two IMHO).

With the A-League growing i think it is entirely viable for the smaler rectangle stadiums to be upgraded to 40,000 in the future, but maybe not in time for 2014.

If Peth ends up getting a new 70,000 seater it would help our cause.

I think we will be capable of hosting one in the forseeable future, but not in time for 2014. The oval-sield situation is not as bad as some would claim.

A joint bid with NZ could be workable as they have a few stadiums that could get us over the line, but they have advertising trouble (rugby WC 03 anyone?) and there rugby fields are basically cricket ovals anyway.
thanks for your intelligent and informative post, victory. interesting reading. goes to show that australia could potentially host a world cup one day, and a very good world it'd be i'm sure.

are there any problems regarding AFL stadiums and the fact that the world cup would be held during european summer months? would this conflict with the AFL season in oz?
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You kidding me. AFL crowds suck.

If you want a real atmosphere catch the Melbourne Victory next A-League season.

After just 1 season (and a very bad one on the pitch) the Victory fans are more loud, passionate, and involved than most AFL fans after over 100 years of competition.

Soccer crowds are much more passionate than AFL corwds (in the stadium anyway).

A-League and the FA EPL crowds would fall asleep sitting amongst the fans of a geelong v st kilda football match.
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If Australia were to put in a bid it would probably be....

Sydney

Sydney Football Stadium - 42,000 (soon to be 46,000)
Telstra Stadium - 83,000

Melbourne

MCG (Oval) - 110,000
New Rectangular Stadium - 25,000 (could possibly be upgraded by 2014)

Brisbane

Suncorp Stadium - 52,000

Adelaide

AAMI Stadium (Oval) - 51,000

Perth

Subiaco Oval - 42,000

They also have a rectangular ground that's around 20,000. Don't know if it could be upgraded or not.

Newcastle

Energy Australia Stadium - 26,000 (could possibly be upgraded by 2014)

Canberra

Canberra Stadium - 24,000 (could possibly be upgraded by 2014)

Townsville

Dairy Farmers Stadium - 21,000 (could possibly be upgraded by 2014)

Gold Coast

Getting a new rectangular stadium of around 25,000. I'd hope they'd build it with the option of upgrading it.

Central Coast

Central Coast Stadium - 20,000 (Could possibly be upgraded by 2014)

Wollongong

WIN Stadium - 20,000 (Could possibly be upgraded by 2014)

So it's not impossible.
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You kidding me. AFL crowds suck.

If you want a real atmosphere catch the Melbourne Victory next A-League season.

After just 1 season (and a very bad one on the pitch) the Victory fans are more loud, passionate, and involved than most AFL fans after over 100 years of competition.

Soccer crowds are much more passionate than AFL corwds (in the stadium anyway).

A-League and the FA EPL crowds would fall asleep sitting amongst the fans of a geelong v st kilda football match.
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