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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old October 17th, 2007, 04:11 PM   #2321
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If England did end up bidding for 2014 I wonder if that might have an effect on the Olympic Stadium? The Emirates would be an obvious second London venue but maybe delaying downgrading the Olympic and using it for the WC might help offset some of the cost?
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Old October 17th, 2007, 04:17 PM   #2322
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I didn't mean that building new stadiums is obligatory now, but simply that from Korea/Japan on organising a tournament meant building new stadiums. Just make the comparison between the newly built stadiums for USA 1994, England 1996 and France 1998 on the one hand, and for Japan/Korea 2002, Portugal 2004 and Germany 2006 on the other hand. Pretty obvious, is it not?
Well, yes, you're pointing out the obvious. But that's a coincidence, not a trend. Or at least it shouldn't be a trend. England will probably need to renovate some stadiums to host 2018, but building new ones just for the sake of it would be stupid; the only exceptions being a possible new stadium in the south west or a possible new stadium in East Anglia.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 04:27 PM   #2323
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Benelux:

Feyenoord (Rotterdam) : 70000
Ajax (Amsterdam) : 65000
Anderlecht and national stadium (Brussels): 60000
Club Brugge (Bruges) : 40000
AZ (Alkmaar) : 40000
PSV (Eindhoven) : 40000 or 50000
Krc Genk (Genk) : 40000
Standard (Luik) : 40000
Heerenveen : 40000
Fc Groningen (Groningen) : 40000
Fc Utrecht (Utrecht) : 40000

Maybe the Koning Boudewijn stadion gets a renovation (Brussels) : 50000
And Antwerp will probably get a new stadium : 40000



We really don't have a lack of stadiums, besides we are small and that is an advantage ...

The only thing we don't really have is something like Wembley.
Maybe The Nehterlands can build a national stadium : 100000
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Old October 17th, 2007, 05:56 PM   #2324
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Benelux:

Feyenoord (Rotterdam) : 70000
Ajax (Amsterdam) : 65000
Anderlecht and national stadium (Brussels): 60000
Club Brugge (Bruges) : 40000
AZ (Alkmaar) : 40000
PSV (Eindhoven) : 40000 or 50000
Krc Genk (Genk) : 40000
Standard (Luik) : 40000
Heerenveen : 40000
Fc Groningen (Groningen) : 40000
Fc Utrecht (Utrecht) : 40000

Maybe the Koning Boudewijn stadion gets a renovation (Brussels) : 50000
And Antwerp will probably get a new stadium : 40000



We really don't have a lack of stadiums, besides we are small and that is an advantage ...

The only thing we don't really have is something like Wembley.
Maybe The Nehterlands can build a national stadium : 100000
Almost all the stadiums you list either don't exist or are currently much smaller so I don't really see how you can say that.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 06:51 PM   #2325
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Almost all the stadiums you list either don't exist or are currently much smaller so I don't really see how you can say that.
Almost?
I think all of them!
Still it is a pretty realistic list.
Only Heerenveen and FC Utrecht never said they wanted to extend to 40 000.
(Only a sponser of Utrecht said it)
In chainge of that you can put Enschede/ FC Twente who did say thing like that and are allready extending as we speak. Not to 40 000 but to 24 500...
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Old October 17th, 2007, 07:14 PM   #2326
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Why would it be not big enough? Agreed, 26 million people isn't the same as Englands 45 million or Spains 40 million. But why would South Africa or Brazil be big enough, and Holland and Belgium not? The combined gdp of Holland and Belgium is over 1,000 billion, roughly the same as Brazil, and way more than South Africa's gdp of about 255 billion. Moreover, Holland and Belgium have the advantage of short distances between cities and high infrastructure density because they are 'not big enough'.

I never said Benelux wasn't wealthy enough, I just said it wasn't big enough. It's population is too small and your reckoning of England's and Spain's is wrong by 5 million (50 million England, 45 million Spain). South Africa would never have got it had it not been for continental rotation. Whereas England and Spain are talking about hypothetical very large stadiums you are merely talking about hypothetical bare minimum 40,000 stadiums. Spain and England arguably have the number of stadiums already - but not the quality.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 07:16 PM   #2327
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Benelux:

Feyenoord (Rotterdam) : 70000
Ajax (Amsterdam) : 65000
Anderlecht and national stadium (Brussels): 60000
Club Brugge (Bruges) : 40000
AZ (Alkmaar) : 40000
PSV (Eindhoven) : 40000 or 50000
Krc Genk (Genk) : 40000
Standard (Luik) : 40000
Heerenveen : 40000
Fc Groningen (Groningen) : 40000
Fc Utrecht (Utrecht) : 40000

Maybe the Koning Boudewijn stadion gets a renovation (Brussels) : 50000
And Antwerp will probably get a new stadium : 40000



We really don't have a lack of stadiums, besides we are small and that is an advantage ...

The only thing we don't really have is something like Wembley.
Maybe The Nehterlands can build a national stadium : 100000
If you want something like Wembley you have to start building immediately to have any chance of it being ready in 2018....
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Old October 17th, 2007, 07:17 PM   #2328
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Almost all the stadiums you list either don't exist or are currently much smaller so I don't really see how you can say that.
Those are the stadiums for 2018.
Do you want England to bid without renovations or new stadiums ?
And actually they aren't much smaller,just 10000 seats.


To the others

Fc Groningen has plans for 40000 ...
And you can put Twente with it if you want ...
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Old October 17th, 2007, 08:24 PM   #2329
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I never said Benelux wasn't wealthy enough, I just said it wasn't big enough. It's population is too small and your reckoning of England's and Spain's is wrong by 5 million (50 million England, 45 million Spain). South Africa would never have got it had it not been for continental rotation. Whereas England and Spain are talking about hypothetical very large stadiums you are merely talking about hypothetical bare minimum 40,000 stadiums. Spain and England arguably have the number of stadiums already - but not the quality.

Didnt have time to look up the populations of spain and england, hence my 5 million estimation error But really, I dont see why a population of 26 is too small to organize a world cup, especially when its purchasing power is high and the countries are wealthy (pretty important when you want to build infrastructure and stadiums i would think). I have to admit that Spain and England would have a bid with larger stadiums, something the Benelux will have to make up with other things, but it's no reason to say that we dont have a chance at all against Spain and England.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 08:29 PM   #2330
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Those are the stadiums for 2018.
Do you want England to bid without renovations or new stadiums ?
And actually they aren't much smaller,just 10000 seats.


To the others

Fc Groningen has plans for 40000 ...
And you can put Twente with it if you want ...
They are grounds that "could" be in place by 2018 but I'v seen nothing but weak rumours for most of them.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 08:40 PM   #2331
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But B and N want to hold the cup so they have to ...
and that are the stadiums, maybe you can change heerenveen with another club. Eventually this will be the result.

Are you english ? please post the stadiums who are in the running for your country
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But B and N want to hold the cup so they have to ...
and that are the stadiums, maybe you can change heerenveen with another club. Eventually this will be the result.

Are you english ? please post the stadiums who are in the running for your country
Wembley, Old Trafford, Emirates, St James Park, Villa Park, New Anfield(almost certain to be built but the old one could be used if it somehow isnt), Stadium of Light.

Whats more alot of the possible new stadiums or renovations people are talking about in places like Leeds and Sheffield would be replacing grounds of similar size rather than massively increasing in size.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 11:44 AM   #2333
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Sports Agenda - Russia's early lead in the 2018 battle

England not only suffered a desperate Euro 2008 defeat in Moscow yesterday, but Russia have also seized the initiative in the upcoming battle between them to host the 2018 World Cup.

England have been very circumspect in their planning for the 2018 bid campaign — which is also likely to include competition from Australia and China — not wanting to jump the gun before FIFA decide which continents can bid.

The Government's 2018 World Cup envoy Richard Caborn, who was in the Luzhniki Stadium yesterday, has had only preliminary talks with personnel who might help the England cause.

In contrast, the Russian effort being masterminded by Minister of Sport Slava Fetisob is already up and running, and international bid experts, whom Russia know will give them direct access to the FIFA executive committee voting on the venue, are being signed up.

Russia can also match England's successful 2012 Olympic bid know-how by tapping into the strategic blueprint that resulted in the southern city of Sochi being selected as the 2014 Winter Games site.

Oligarchs like Roman Abramovich, who are closely involved in the plans for Sochi, will be even more supportive in the quest to bring the World Cup to Russia for the first time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._author_id=345
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It is a pity al those countries want to go for 2018, a world cup in England,Spain or BN sounds fantastic ...
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Old October 18th, 2007, 07:08 PM   #2335
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Well hell Russia, why not?
they´ve got the potantial and the hungre to proof themselfes.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 07:22 PM   #2336
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Well according to world stadiums the only stadium they have over 40k is the one used last night against england that holds about 84k, so theres a lot of work needed to be done
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Old October 18th, 2007, 07:59 PM   #2337
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i haven't been following this at all...so i'm really ignorant...but what is the chance of the USA getting this?
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Old October 18th, 2007, 08:01 PM   #2338
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I think it should go to Australia or Canada. Hopefully Colombia will make a bid for it or for the 2022 cup since so many stadiums have been modernized and expanded this year.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 09:29 PM   #2339
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Sports Agenda - Russia's early lead in the 2018 battle

England not only suffered a desperate Euro 2008 defeat in Moscow yesterday, but Russia have also seized the initiative in the upcoming battle between them to host the 2018 World Cup.

England have been very circumspect in their planning for the 2018 bid campaign — which is also likely to include competition from Australia and China — not wanting to jump the gun before FIFA decide which continents can bid.

The Government's 2018 World Cup envoy Richard Caborn, who was in the Luzhniki Stadium yesterday, has had only preliminary talks with personnel who might help the England cause.

In contrast, the Russian effort being masterminded by Minister of Sport Slava Fetisob is already up and running, and international bid experts, whom Russia know will give them direct access to the FIFA executive committee voting on the venue, are being signed up.

Russia can also match England's successful 2012 Olympic bid know-how by tapping into the strategic blueprint that resulted in the southern city of Sochi being selected as the 2014 Winter Games site.

Oligarchs like Roman Abramovich, who are closely involved in the plans for Sochi, will be even more supportive in the quest to bring the World Cup to Russia for the first time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._author_id=345
Yeah, the Russians are that well organised...I see they still play games on plastic pitches!
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Old October 18th, 2007, 10:06 PM   #2340
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Well, not being the frontrunner didn't do us any harm for 2012 did it?
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