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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
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USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old October 24th, 2007, 01:41 PM   #2401
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I don't recall many people being agenst the 2000 olympics and I'v seen very little evidense you'd hold a "better" WC.
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australia isnt a football country..you might as well give it to india.
Neither is the USA, or South Africa for that matter........
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Old October 24th, 2007, 02:01 PM   #2402
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Of course South Africa is, it is by far their national sport.

And the USA at least was able to provide massive rectangular stadiums and represents a big market.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 02:10 PM   #2403
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Of course South Africa is, it is by far their national sport.
Errrr, rugby union??
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Old October 24th, 2007, 02:17 PM   #2404
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Errrr, rugby union??
While they might not have had a great deal of sucess football does I believe attract much larger attendances than either Rugby or Cricket.

Speculating if a stadium might be built is one thing but just reeling off a list of venues and capacities based on very little is not grounds for claiming a nation could definately stage an event.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 02:24 PM   #2405
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Thats a lot of money to spend on a relatively small sport in this country. I'd love it. I hope the game keeps growing... But if we're up against England, Spain, China, the USA, etc., we haven't a chance.
Sydney-83,000 + 45,000 = Ok
Melbourne-Rectangular Stadium 31,500 + 8,500, Telstra Stadium 56,000, MCG 100,000. Not an insurmountable problem for Melbourne = Ok
Brisbane-55,000 = Ok
Perth-current 42,000 Subiaco upgrade to 60,000 already planned
Adelaide? AAMI = 51,000. Major redevelopment needed or a new stadium
Canberra-40,000 Upgrade - current 25,000 = 15,000 extra needed
Newcastle40,000 -current 26,000 = 14,000 extra needed
Townsville-40,000 - current 25,000 = 15,000 extra needed
Wollongong = New Stadium
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Errrr, rugby union??

Oh I see, your living in the apartheid era still where Whites were considered the only full humans in South Africa. I'm sorry for you my supremacist friend, but that ended a decade and a half ago, and you now have majority rule in South Africa, and the majority, the Black Majority, prefers football son.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 02:33 PM   #2407
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Find some attendance figures from the South African Premier League to prove it to me......son

P.s. With a sig like that, the only one with the supremacist attitude is you.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 02:58 PM   #2408
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I'm not exactly sure how being pro-humanity makes me a supremacist, but anyone ignoring little taunts like that from you:

It would not be representative to look at South African attendance figures for their league, like all African Leagues most of their players go to Europe where the conditions and the salaries are better and African Teams aren't able to compete, the white dominated game of Rugby doesn't have the world competition that football has so can afford a relatively decent league in South Africa, but there is no doubt what is the country's naitonal sport.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 03:10 PM   #2409
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Do any of those stadiums actually exist with their stated capacities.

And so many of them would be bare minimum as would having only 10.

What a sad World Cup that would be.
Feyenoord: 70000 +
Ajax: 65000
Anderlecht: 60000
PSV: probalby above 40000

There are rumours that the new capacity of Feyenoord would be 100000!
Maybe England has more above 40 th. stadiums but then the emirates and stanley park are old stadiums. While in B and Nl it are new st.
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10 years old is not an old stadium. How Ancient would the Amsterdam Arena be by then I wonder, son?

The fact is to have a final in only a 70,000 stadium might have been acceptable in 1954 but we live in the modern world move with it or get out of it.
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Sydney-83,000 + 45,000 = Ok
Melbourne-Rectangular Stadium 31,500 + 8,500, Telstra Stadium 56,000, MCG 100,000. Not an insurmountable problem for Melbourne = Ok
Brisbane-55,000 = Ok
Perth-current 42,000 Subiaco upgrade to 60,000 already planned
Adelaide? AAMI = 51,000. Major redevelopment needed or a new stadium
Canberra-40,000 Upgrade - current 25,000 = 15,000 extra needed
Newcastle40,000 -current 26,000 = 14,000 extra needed
Townsville-40,000 - current 25,000 = 15,000 extra needed
Wollongong = New Stadium
Without extensive new stadium building, it all comes down the the AFL - Subiaco, AAMI, MCG, Telstra Dome, even Telstra Stadium, all rely on the AFL for a hefty portion of their year by year income... With FIFA's rules on non-world cup use of stadia during the month before, and the duration of the finals, you'd have to:
- convince the two clubs in Adelaide to step down from the 50k AAMI stadium to the 30k Adelaide Oval;
- convince the two clubs in Perth to step down from the 42k Subiaco to the 22k WACA (or convince the powers that be to leave Subiaco in place if and when they build the new multi-purpose stadium);
- the Swans in Sydney to switch from the 83k Telstra Stadium to the 42k SCG
- convince the Victorian clubs to play all Victorian games at TelstraDome, thus freeing up the MCG for the World Cup. Reducing capacity (and earnings potentials) for the biggest games by around 45k.

Beyond AFL, you have to deal with the rugby people to get Suncorp, Telstra Stadium and Sydney Football Stadium games switched to alternate venues for the two month window in question.

Beyond that, you have to convince the state and federal governments that expanding stadiums (or building entirely new ones) in Newcastle, Melbourne (MRS), Wollongong, Townsville and Canberra, is a worthwhile move - despite the fact that they are all unlikely to be anythign like filled after the finals...

God I'm depressed now. It's a long way away.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 04:15 PM   #2412
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I don't recall many people being agenst the 2000 olympics and I'v seen very little evidense you'd hold a "better" WC.
Shit transport system. Shit roads access. Homebush being out in whoop whop. No one will turn up. Etc. Etc.
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I'm not exactly sure how being pro-humanity makes me a supremacist, but anyone ignoring little taunts like that from you:

It would not be representative to look at South African attendance figures for their league, like all African Leagues most of their players go to Europe where the conditions and the salaries are better and African Teams aren't able to compete, the white dominated game of Rugby doesn't have the world competition that football has so can afford a relatively decent league in South Africa, but there is no doubt what is the country's naitonal sport.
It would not be representative to look at Australian attendance figures for their league, like all Australian and most Asian leagues most of their players go to Europe where the conditions and the salaries are better and Asian/Australian teams aren't able to compete..........

Your argument sucks.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 04:27 PM   #2414
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No it isn't, Antipodean, it is true. Many African Countries are fanatical about football but their own domestic leagues simply don't get much itnerest they would far rather follow a Premiership Team. The fact is the national sport of South Africa is Football.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 04:38 PM   #2415
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if South Africa can hsot it...so can we.
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Shit transport system. Shit roads access. Homebush being out in whoop whop. No one will turn up. Etc. Etc.
Specifics will always come under criticism, I was thinking more about the broader idea that Australia would not be able to host the games as is being brough up here with the WC.
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yeah but the point your missing is the majority of their population are football mad..most australians have no interest in football at all and deride it most of the time whuilst prefering afl and a pie.
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yeah but the point your missing is the majority of their population are football mad..most australians have no interest in football at all and deride it most of the time whuilst prefering afl and a pie.
AFL popularity is pretty regional enjoying its highest following in Victoria. The there is NRL which has it's biggest following in NSW and Queensland.
Soccer matches enjoy a resonable following especially in Melbourne.
Don't make the mistake that because soccer is'nt the national sport that Australians are ignorent of the game. Unlike Americans (in the case of 1994) Australians are very familiar with the game and even when Australia has'nt participated in a World Cup that the number of Australian viewers is till high. You have to remember that Australians generally love sport in general. Interest and knowledge of a particular sport is not confined to the most played ''national'' sports. In contrast European countries are highly ignorent of anything they don't excel at themselves. Try talking to the average continental European about Cricket or Rugby.
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10 years old is not an old stadium. How Ancient would the Amsterdam Arena be by then I wonder, son?

The fact is to have a final in only a 70,000 stadium might have been acceptable in 1954 but we live in the modern world move with it or get out of it.
About 6,5,4 years or later. Maybe Em won't be ancient by that time but many stadiums are in 10 years old, i hope not for them of course, i like the stadium.

Still the fact is that B and Nl will have new stadiums and England rather old.
Maybe you can show me renovations or new stadiums planned so i have a better view of England's plans
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Well the Germans successfully hosted the final in a stadium (albeit one with a running track of hate) of many decades and a very beautiful one at that.

As for England there can be no certainties of what stadiums but I would say that at least:-

90,000 Wembley still relatively new, huge, awe inspiring.
60,000 Emirates (by no means the second stadium in London, Twickenham is larger (82,000), significantly so, but of course the good people of the RFU hate football, unless enough money was paid).
76,000 Old Trafford (I am only giving its current capacity there is a good chance that it would be 90,000 +)
48,000 - (64,000) Stadium of Light (whilst the capacity is only 48,000 currently if I were to show you a photo of the stadium you would understand just how easily and cheaply it could be converted into 64,000 with minimal effort, rather like putting out extra deckchairs
52,000 St James Park - Could very easily be upgraded to more than 60,000 without even damaging the historic buildings on one side - if this was done, we'd be looking at 79,000, but as someone who loves Newcastle I hope it is not

Remember these are current sizes, whereas all yours so far are projections, don't forget Stanley Park will almost certainly be built at around 60,000-70,000.

I think we'd be looking at 16 stadiums in total.
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