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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old October 24th, 2007, 09:48 PM   #2421
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Geelong could host a match or two couldn't it? If they're willing to use stadiums with tracks I can't see why Skilled Stadium wouldn't work.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 10:00 PM   #2422
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I think we''ll see alot of temporary seating at new stadiums.

Like i think Energy Australia will fall over by 2022. Townsville will either get a new Dairy Farmers or upgrade on it if the Cowboys keep going at its pace. Surely we can count the GC as a diff city and the Titans should go from strength to strength there. And lets hope the Brumbies can keep expanding.

So... We have
Melb or Syd x2 (3)
Perth (1)
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Canberra (1)
Newcastle (1)

And we only need 8 right?
yip. 8 is all that is needed and would prob be best.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 10:02 PM   #2423
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No it isn't. South Africa needed ten stadiums.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 10:20 PM   #2424
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Some people here really are obsessed with quantities rather than qualities...
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Old October 25th, 2007, 12:19 AM   #2425
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About 6,5,4 years or later. Maybe Em won't be ancient by that time but many stadiums are in 10 years old, i hope not for them of course, i like the stadium.

Still the fact is that B and Nl will have new stadiums and England rather old.
Maybe you can show me renovations or new stadiums planned so i have a better view of England's plans
New does not have to stand for good...

Camp Nou is a shithole to comfort standards and that kind of stuff, still it would be good enough for any final.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 05:55 AM   #2426
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I think we''ll see alot of temporary seating at new stadiums.

Like i think Energy Australia will fall over by 2022. Townsville will either get a new Dairy Farmers or upgrade on it if the Cowboys keep going at its pace. Surely we can count the GC as a diff city and the Titans should go from strength to strength there. And lets hope the Brumbies can keep expanding.

So... We have
Melb or Syd x2 (3)
Perth (1)
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Townsville (1)
Canberra (1)
Newcastle (1)

And we only need 8 right?
Biggest problem is, we're still talking in terms of 'minimum' requirements for a bid. Now, if Straylia bids with 8 stadiums over 7 or 8 cities, several with running tracks/oval pitch areas, several 'just' making capacity with temp seating, etc., whilst England bids with 12 stadiums over 10 cities, all complete, all to required capacity, all rectangular... Who wins? And that's forgetting location, history and popularity of the game, etc.

Like I say, would love it to come Down Under, but until we have at least half a dozen rectangular stadiums of reasonable size, independent of the AFL/cricket business, we'll never get it.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 10:33 AM   #2427
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yeah but the point your missing is the majority of their population are football mad..most australians have no interest in football at all and deride it most of the time whuilst prefering afl and a pie.
A very ill-informed and ignorant comment.

The fact that AFL and League are the more dominant domestic leagues can cloud the views of people that don't understand the local sporting scene. The Socceroos are the most popular national team of any code and are arguable even bigger than the Australian cricket team. During the world cup every Australian game was greeted with tens of thousands in city squares/pubs all across the nation watching the game on big screens. National television ratings records were smashed and all this was achieved in the early hours of the morning.

The A-League in only it's second year had an average of over 14k which puts it just behind leagues in Scotland, USA, Turkey and in front of Brazil, Russia, Portugal, China, Belgium, South Korea etc.

This years attendances are already ahead of last year...
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Old October 25th, 2007, 10:46 AM   #2428
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Those people were bandwaggoners..football has not been embraced by the wider community in australia..it is a game supported primarily by the southern european and ex pat british communities.It is not mainstream and therefore it would not be right for australia to hold a football world cup.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 11:10 AM   #2429
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Do you live here in Australia?
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Old October 25th, 2007, 12:34 PM   #2430
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No suprise, China will host WC 2018...they will build lot of great stadium in some major cities and the capacity will be the highest in the world cup history! In 10 years' time, the national team will be improved and able to get through to quarter final.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 01:34 PM   #2431
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No it isn't. South Africa needed ten stadiums.
8 is the requirement and minimum. south africa negotiated for 10, after presenting 12-14 options
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Old October 25th, 2007, 02:02 PM   #2432
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Ben im more or less talking about the 2022 Cup.

I think the 18 Cup is abit like the 14 cup where the ball is in England's court and its up to them now.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 02:07 PM   #2433
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Those people were bandwaggoners..football has not been embraced by the wider community in australia..it is a game supported primarily by the southern european and ex pat british communities.It is not mainstream and therefore it would not be right for australia to hold a football world cup.
Well football (or soccer) weren't mainstream in the US and they held a pretty decent comp. If we were going award WC's to countries that embraced the game, had a rich history in football & in countries that deserved the WC.... then the likes of China, Australia, Canada and the US would be ruled out. So who else is left to bid??????
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Old October 25th, 2007, 02:32 PM   #2434
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Yep 2022, that's our best shot in the forseeable future. We won't beat England for 2018, i would actually prefer to see England get it then anyway. I really don't think we could be ready by then.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 03:36 PM   #2435
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Biggest problem is, we're still talking in terms of 'minimum' requirements for a bid. Now, if Straylia bids with 8 stadiums over 7 or 8 cities, several with running tracks/oval pitch areas, several 'just' making capacity with temp seating, etc., whilst England bids with 12 stadiums over 10 cities, all complete, all to required capacity, all rectangular... Who wins? And that's forgetting location, history and popularity of the game, etc.

Like I say, would love it to come Down Under, but until we have at least half a dozen rectangular stadiums of reasonable size, independent of the AFL/cricket business, we'll never get it.
10 stadiums in 9 cities would probably be better, considering Germany used 12 stadiums and SA will use 10 stadiums. I agree that getting a decent amount of rectangular stadiums is key. What can we realistically expect by 2022 in terms of rectangular stadiums:

- Brisbane (55,000)
- Melbourne rectangular stadium (30,000 u/c and can be expanded to 50,000)
- Gold coast (25,000 u/c, at the rate this city is growing they'll be able to sustain a large rectangular stadium by 2022)
- Sydney footbal stadium (45,000)
- Its not impossible to assume that Newcastle, Canberra and Townsville will be expanded to 40,000 in the next 10/15 years

So, 6 or 7 40,000+ rectangular stadiums by 2022 is quite likely. Add to this the multi-use stadiums, and you've got a pretty good list if you ask me:
- Sydney Telstra in rectangular mode (83,500)
- Perth new stadium in rectangular mode (70,000)
- Adelaide new stadium (50,000 - hell, its about time Adelaide gets a decent stadium)
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Old October 25th, 2007, 03:40 PM   #2436
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Mo Rush,

You are wrong!

http://www.2018england.co.uk/2018-stadiums/

Potential Stadia for Englands 2018 World Cup Bid

FIFA have certain rules and regulations for stadium selection in World Cup bids. There will need to be at least ten stadiums put forward all with 40,000
capacity or above, plus at least two stadia must be 60,000 plus capacity, for the opening match, the semi-finals and the final of the World Cup. A further current regulation is that only two of the stadiums can be in the same city. We expect some of the following stadia to be used in 2018 if England are successful with their bid:

These are just a list of potential venues at present, FIFA’s two stadia per city rule, means many London based grounds may not be included even though the stadiums are of a very high quality. Also currently some stadiums lack the necessary access for the media and press, whilst there are also many stadiums which aren’t yet at a suitable capacity but by 2018 they could easily be large enough for World Cup games.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 04:46 PM   #2437
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Old October 25th, 2007, 11:20 PM   #2438
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Well football (or soccer) weren't mainstream in the US and they held a pretty decent comp. If we were going award WC's to countries that embraced the game, had a rich history in football & in countries that deserved the WC.... then the likes of China, Australia, Canada and the US would be ruled out. So who else is left to bid??????
Well if FIFA actually took this into account more often then not, then there wouldn't be soo much corruption in FIFA. Having an 'unknown' footballing country hosting the WC every once in a while is fine but 2018 is England's turn.
Although im sure FIFA officials could so easily be bribed...
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Old October 25th, 2007, 11:41 PM   #2439
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Spreading football into new, large markets like America, China and India is a very good thing, Australia is small and unimportant though.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 12:28 AM   #2440
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