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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old October 27th, 2007, 02:19 AM   #2461
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The full stop was not intended to finish MY point, rather to place emphasis on the fact that post (especially from Lostboy) are all engineerd with only one possible candidate that being England. That is what my post was addessing.
Fine, if you're talking about the general direction of the topic, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

Do not confuse that with the fact that when you address a general point to a specific post, you could very well be wrong - like in this case. I wouldn't mind at all if the WC went to Australia in 2018. It's a country that deserves any major sporting occasion. All I was trying to do was compare the two cases. I'm afraid you made the mistake of seeking to read between the lines and finding a message that wasn't there.

There are a lot of over-opinionated, less-than-eloquent posters on here, so I can appreciate you may tire of hearing from them. However, I assure you that I am not one of them.

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Old October 27th, 2007, 02:22 AM   #2462
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Looks like a typical misunderstanding. My appologies
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Old October 27th, 2007, 02:26 AM   #2463
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Old October 27th, 2007, 01:18 PM   #2464
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Assuming a 16 venue requirement where no more than 2 venues can be in the same city, what would an England v Australia bid look like?

England

Wembley (London)................90,000
Emirates (London).................60,000
Old Trafford (Manchester)......76,000 - possibly 90,000
Eastlands (Manchester).........48,000
Stanley Park (Liverpool).........60,000 - possibly 76,000
New Everton ground (Kirby).....50,000
St. James' Park (Newcastle)....60,000 - 52,000 possibly 60,000 if expansion goes ahead
Stadium of Light (Sunderland)..48,000 - possibly 64,000
Villa Park (Birmingham)............45,000
Elland Road (Leeds)................40,000
Hillsbrough (Sheffield).............40,000
City Ground (Nottingham)........36,000
Riverside (Middlesbrough)........36,000
St. Mary's (Southampton)........32,000
Walkers Stadium (Leicester).....32,000
Stadium:MK (Milton Keynes).....32,000 (would have to be expanded from 22k)

Australia

Telstra Stadium (Sydney).........85,000 - could it go back to 115,000?
Aussie Stadium (Sydney)..........45,000 (now called Sydney Football Stadium)
MCG (Melbourne)....................99,000
Telstra Dome (Melbourne).........55,000
SunCorp Stadium (Brisbane)......52,000
The Gabba (Brisbane)...............42,000
Adelaide Oval (Adelaide)...........33,500
Hindmarsh Stadium (Adelaide)....30,000+ (would have to be expanded from 16,500 - hedged in by roads and buildings, no way could it go up to 40k)
Subiaco Oval (Perth)................43,000
WACA (Perth).........................30,000 (expected increase, required for WC)
Canberra Stadium (Canberra).....30,000+ (would have to be expanded from 25,000)
EnergyAus. Stadium (Newcastle).30,000+ (would have to be extended from 26,000)
Aurora Stadium (Launceston).....30,000+ (would have to be expanded from 23,000)
Dairy Farmers' Sta. (Thuringowa).30,000+ (would have to be expanded from 25,000)
Skilled Park (Gold Coast)............30,000+ (would have to be expanded from 27,500)
Toyota Park (Cronulla)...............30,000+ (would have to be expanded from 21,500)

Both lists are of course subject to inevitable debate. Yes, there are probably more A-League grounds that could be included, but they would require further increases to get to FIFA's minimum capacity level of 30k.
It's actually something more like 10 venues over 9 cities, with only one city entitled to 2 venues. Also, the minimum capacity is 40k rather than 30. So more realistically you're looking at:


England

1 - Wembley (London)................90,000
2 - Emirates (London).................60,000
3 - Old Trafford (Manchester)......76,000 - possibly 90,000
4 - Stanley Park (Liverpool).........60,000 - possibly 76,000
5 - St. James' Park (Newcastle)....60,000 - 52,000 possibly 60,000 if expansion goes ahead
6 - Stadium of Light (Sunderland)..48,000 - possibly 64,000
7 - Villa Park (Birmingham)............45,000
8 - Elland Road (Leeds)................40,000
9 - City Ground (Nottingham)........36,000 or
Walkers Stadium (Leicester).....32,000 or
Pride Park (Derby)..................30,000 (one of the three, but only if expanded to 40k)
10 - St. Mary's (Southampton)......32,000 (expanded to 40k) or
Portsmouth's new stadium.....40,000 (assuming they get permission and up the capacity to 40k)


Australia

1 - Telstra Stadium (Sydney)...............85,000
2 - Sydney Football Stadium (Sydney)...45,000
3 - MRS (Melbourne)...........................31,500 (foundations built for 50,000, reasonable to assume they would up it if a bid was succesful)
4 - SunCorp Stadium (Brisbane)............52,000
5 - Adelaide - nowt suitable and nothing planned at the moment.
6 - Multi-purpose (Perth).....................75,000
7 - Canberra Stadium (Canberra)...........40,000+ (would have to be expanded from 25,000)
8 - EnergyAus. Stadium (Newcastle)......40,000+ (would have to be extended from 26,000)
9 - Dairy Farmers' Sta. (Thuringowa)......40,000+ (would have to be expanded from 25,000)
10 - Skilled Park (Gold Coast)................40,000+ (would have to be expanded from 27,500)

I live in Oz, I'd love it to come here, but it's really a no brainer for 2018 (which is worrying as FIFA has no brain).

Under the current suggested policy to replace the rotation - a federation can't bid again in the two tournaments after it is host), it would appear to be more than likely that 2022 would be likely to go to the USA as they're just too big to ignore.

2026 would then be between South America, Asia (inc. Australia) and Africa...

2030 would be Europe again.

So, it strikes me that we've got until about 2020 to get the A-League fully in order - and to build the game in this country, before a hard-to-resist bid could be made for 2026.

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Old October 27th, 2007, 01:42 PM   #2465
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The difference is a self financed stadium like the Emirates is actually owned by the club were as I'd guess any publically funded stadiums would be owned by the local council meaning the club would have to pay rent.
But it does mean that the club wouldn't have to find the money to build the stadium in the first place, they would 'simply' have to find the rent money (likely to be very reasonable as the alternative would be to have a magnificent venue sitting un-used) which would more than likely be met from increased revenue through larger gates attracted by the improved facilities.
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Old October 27th, 2007, 03:29 PM   #2466
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Old October 27th, 2007, 03:39 PM   #2467
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Ben what you mean by the US are too big to ignore.

Like do you mean it in a negative way because their league stinks (seriously it makes the A-league look like Johan Cruff Perfect football), their national team sucks, crowd sucks and bringing Beckham just proves that people value their money rather then his footballing talents.
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Old October 27th, 2007, 04:31 PM   #2468
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But it does mean that the club wouldn't have to find the money to build the stadium in the first place, they would 'simply' have to find the rent money (likely to be very reasonable as the alternative would be to have a magnificent venue sitting un-used) which would more than likely be met from increased revenue through larger gates attracted by the improved facilities.
Depends on the terms of rental which might include a percentage of ticket sales and not allow the club to use the ground to earn money in other areas(other sporting events, concerts, food sales, tours, business events etc). If you look across europe the trend seems to be for clubs to move out of publically owned stadiums into self financed ones so I'd guess they provide the better long term income if you have the capitcal to afford them.

The NFL is a very different situation as the teams have the increased barginning power of being able to move elsewhere to negoiate favourible rental contracts.
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Old October 27th, 2007, 04:52 PM   #2469
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Old October 27th, 2007, 05:06 PM   #2470
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I think one of the main advantages of an English bid would be the use of all football-specific stadiums...i.e stadiums purpoe built for football with no running track inside them.

I was listening to a guy on the radio yesterday talking about the 2014 WC, saying how one of the major problems in terms of the standard of the WC would be the number of old stadiums that had just been renovated, stadiums with running tracks round the pitches, which is already an obselete design, an outdated part of a wc. It is becoming no longer acceptable to have them as part of modern WC bids, as they make watching a game pretty poor. Germany set the standard last year, now every tournament after it has to match it and better it.

England could be one of the only (if not THE only) WC's to use all football-pure stadiums, which would be pretty impressive.
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Germany set the standard last year, now every tournament after it has to match it and better it.

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Germany had running tracks

But yeah I agree. Away with athletics tracks
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As far as the age of the english stadiums goes I'd say the likes of Wembley, the Emirates and probabley the New Anfield being a few years old could actually be an advanatge. Beyond giving the surrounding infrastructure(transport, food, hotels etc) longer to devolp its also going to give them the chance to gain a bit of history which I' guess would be a big selling point for an english WC.
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Old October 27th, 2007, 08:15 PM   #2473
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By the way the city ground is only currently at 30,600 not 36,000 but if they redeveloped the main stand would increase it to 40,000 however the club also have plans for a new stadium of 50,000
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Ben what you mean by the US are too big to ignore.

Like do you mean it in a negative way because their league stinks (seriously it makes the A-league look like Johan Cruff Perfect football), their national team sucks, crowd sucks and bringing Beckham just proves that people value their money rather then his footballing talents.
Their $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Oh, and poor as their league is, the A-League is just as poor. Mickey Bridges being a major signing is a desperate sign of how poor the league is here - and if he excells (as I expect him to) it'll go to prove that the league is (as he suspects) akin to League One in England.
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Their $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Oh, and poor as their league is, the A-League is just as poor. Mickey Bridges being a major signing is a desperate sign of how poor the league is here - and if he excells (as I expect him to) it'll go to prove that the league is (as he suspects) akin to League One in England.
But you would think China could match the US in dollars. Well by 2022????

As for the A-league... We are getting better. More players are willing to come. Dollars are starting to flow in. The MLS it seems is going no-where.
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But you would think China could match the US in dollars. Well by 2022????

As for the A-league... We are getting better. More players are willing to come. Dollars are starting to flow in. The MLS it seems is going no-where.
China maybe, but America definately. They are the masters of making a buck and whether we like it or not, FIFA won't ignore them for long.

As for the A-league... Doing fantastic for a 3 year old league, but the players coming here tend to do so because they don't have other options. An injury prone lad joining from Hull reserves and a retirement bound striker from the Spanish Segunda league are hardly the 'stars' that Foxtel are trying to build them up as.
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I can't see FIFA giving the USA another World Cup before Australia hosts one.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 06:12 PM   #2478
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GREECE AND TURKEY... JOINT BID!!!!

The world would have been shocked
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I can't see FIFA giving the USA another World Cup before Australia hosts one.
why not?
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