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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 01:36 PM   #2581
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From a European point of view, I don't think it's a good idea having possibly 4 countries from one continent bidding for the same WC. Uefa (for example) should poll the European unions and decide on just one candidate each time.

At least with just one candidate, the European votes can be targeted at one country, but with several options the vote could become 'diluted' and another continent could win!
Maybe each of the eligable federations should field bids from it's own national FA's, and vote internally - forwarding the winner to FIFA, who would chose the Finals hosts... In this case, Europe, Asia and North America would each have one nominated bid - these would then be put to FIFA (South America and Africa being ineligible after hosting the previous two tournaments).
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 02:23 PM   #2582
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I think that:
- a Netherland-Belgium bid could be interesting but theses countries allready hosted Euro 2000.
- Europe should be united to get WC 2018: it's not possible to wait 16 years between 2 WC hosted in Europe. There are more powerfull teams in Europe than everywhere else.
==> Europe should support England's bid for WC 2018. In exchange, Englad should accept to not send a bid for Rugby World Cup 2015: Scotland or Ireland could host it.

We could have in the futur:
- South Africa 2010
- Brazil 2014
- England 2018
- Australia 2022
- Europe (Spain-Portugal, Russia, Turkey-Greece, Netherland-Belgium...) 2026
- Uruguay / Argentina 2030 (100 years after...)
- China or Canada 2034
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 03:49 PM   #2583
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That couldnt happen as Europe will only be allowed every 3rd bid
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 04:13 PM   #2584
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Well swap the Europe bid of 2026 with 2030. So Colombia in 2026 and Spain in 2030 or something.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 04:19 PM   #2585
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I still don´t know why an England bid, stadiumwise, would beat a Spain bid for 2018.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 05:33 PM   #2586
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Well swap the Europe bid of 2026 with 2030.
No: 2030 will be hosted by Uruguay in memoriam of first WC en 1930. Argentina is the logical co-host for Uruguayen bid. So, Europe should get 2018 and 2026 WC and South America should get 2014 and 2030 WC.
Don't forget that, with 2010 and 2014, it's the first time that two following WC will take place outside Europe. Why not 2018, 2026, 2038, 2050....
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 05:46 PM   #2587
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==> Europe should support England's bid for WC 2018. In exchange, Englad should accept to not send a bid for Rugby World Cup 2015: Scotland or Ireland could host it.
No offense to Ireland or Scotland but neitehr nation could host a rugby WC on its own, I mean France had to utilise stadiums outside it's own country, so how on earth do ou expect small countries like Scot or Ire to host a WC tournament on its own...it's almost as demanding as hosting a football WC.

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We could have in the futur:
- South Africa 2010
- Brazil 2014
- England 2018
- Australia 2022
- Europe (Spain-Portugal, Russia, Turkey-Greece, Netherland-Belgium...) 2026
- Uruguay / Argentina 2030 (100 years after...)
- China or Canada 2034
For one thing, I can't see Europe ever again getting two WCs in the space of 8 years, not with every continent now begging for it; also Spain will not need or want a joint bid with Portugal, and in fact Portugal (having staged a good Euro tournament recently) are not too far off being capable of hosting a WC themselves.

Secondly I wish people would stop suggesting Uruguay for 2030, it's days of hosting WC's are over, yes it may be symbolic and all that, but the fact is that it's stadiums are dire, infastructure poor and just generally not able to cope with hosting a modern-day football WC anymore, not now, not in 2030!

Thirdly, I'd love Canada in 2034, but I'm pretty sure that if we go up against China it aint gonna come out too well!
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 05:50 PM   #2588
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answering to that 2030 issue: at least Argentina and Uruguay showed their interest recently to stage the world cup then. It doesn't mean they really will, but many things can happen in the next 20 years...
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I mean France had to utilise stadiums outside it's own country, so how on earth do ou expect small countries like Scot or Ire to host a WC tournament on its own...it's almost as demanding as hosting a football WC.

France didn't have to, it chose to, France hosted the best World Cup Rugby has had, the only thing that detracted were those stupid games outside of it. That said there is no way Scot/Ire can put on anything near as good as that, with Ireland's best stadium out of the question and the Scots dismal home record attendances (let alone for games like Tonga v Namibia) and there general lack of enthusiasm for rugby I'd prefer to see England support an Italian Bid, get rugby growing a bit there.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 05:55 PM   #2590
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I still don´t know why an England bid, stadiumwise, would beat a Spain bid for 2018.
Stadium wise it would be very close - both have a lot of magnificent venues. The biggest difference is the time since last hosting, that tips it in England's favour.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 06:08 PM   #2591
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I mean France had to utilise stadiums outside it's own country, so how on earth do ou expect small countries like Scot or Ire to host a WC tournament on its own...it's almost as demanding as hosting a football WC.

France didn't have to, it chose to, France hosted the best World Cup Rugby has had, the only thing that detracted were those stupid games outside of it.
If wasn't really a choice: it was an arrangment with Celtic nations to win the contest againts England's bid. Of course France could have hosted RWC alone as France hosted 1998 WC alone: 10 stadiums were enough for 48 games !
Scotland or Ireland could not host RWC 2015 alone but a "Celtic bid" could be a great solution:
- the main host (Ireland or Scotland) would get Oppening match, 2 pools, two quater final, at least one semi-final, the bronze final and the final.
- the two co-hosts (Scotland or Ireland and Walles) would get a pool and a quater final.
- A co-host could even get a semi-final

It is not a "multinational bid": it is a bid with a main-host and two co-host.

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I still don´t know why an England bid, stadiumwise, would beat a Spain bid for 2018.
It is not a problem with stadia: it's only because it is the turn of England :

If you consider that, since 1966, 6 WC took place in Europe:
- 1966: England
- 1974: (West) Germany
- 1982: Spain
- 1990: Italy
- 1998: France
- 2006: Germany

And if you consider that Euro was really created in 1980:
- 1980: Italy
- 1984: France
- 1988: (West) Germany
- 1992: Sweden
- 1996: England
- 2000: Belgium-Netherlands
- 2004: Portugal
- 2008: Switzerland-Austria
- 2012: Poland-Ukraine

It's easy to understand that Spain should bid for Euro 2016 and WC 2026 when England should get WC 2018. Even Platini, Bekenbaüer and Italian's newspapers admit that England is the best choice for 2018.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 06:09 PM   #2592
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Stadium wise it would be very close - both have a lot of magnificent venues. The biggest difference is the time since last hosting, that tips it in England's favour.


Plus if FiFa want money, English football is the richest in the world.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 06:10 PM   #2593
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If wasn't really a choice: it was an arrangment with Celtic nations to win the contest againts England's bid. Of course France could have hosted RWC alone as France hosted 1998 WC alone: 10 stadiums were enough for 48 games !
Scotland or Ireland could not host RWC 2015 alone but a "Celtic bid" could be a great solution:
- the main host (Ireland or Scotland) would get Oppening match, 2 pools, two quater final, at least one semi-final, the bronze final and the final.
- the two co-hosts (Scotland or Ireland and Walles) would get a pool and a quater final.
- A co-host could even get a semi-final
Its actually quite annoying seeing a tournament hosted in Two countries let alone THREE?!
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If wasn't really a choice: it was an arrangment with Celtic nations to win the contest againts England's bid. Of course France could have hosted RWC alone as France hosted 1998 WC alone: 10 stadiums were enough for 48 games !

You could have won without the votes and in terms of facilities if France can host World Cup 1998, it could certainly have managed a far smaller Rugby World Cup.

Scotland or Ireland could not host RWC 2015 alone but a "Celtic bid" could be a great solution:
- the main host (Ireland or Scotland) would get Oppening match, 2 pools, two quater final, at least one semi-final, the bronze final and the final.
- the two co-hosts (Scotland or Ireland and Walles) would get a pool and a quater final.
- A co-host could even get a semi-final

It is not a "multinational bid": it is a bid with a main-host and two co-host.


I'm really quite sceptical of this so far the best Rugby World Cups have been those that have tended to keep all the matches in a single country South Africa 1995, Australia 2003 etc and besides after the debacle of 2011 going to New Zealand isn't it time to honour Asia (so far along with South America the only continent without hosting it) if we are to expand the World Cup then a Japan 2015 bid would be a very good idea. Unless you are one of those who believes that rugby must forever be the preserve of the founding eight members
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 11:06 PM   #2595
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You could have won without the votes and in terms of facilities if France can host World Cup 1998, it could certainly have managed a far smaller Rugby World Cup.
It's easy to say that after but France's bid won against England's one by 17 votes to 3 (2 English votes and the Canadian's one). If Celtic nations voted for England, the result would have been 11 to 9.

Almost everybody on the "oval planet" admit that, if England send a bid to host RWC 2015, it will won. But I'm not sure that hosting OG, RWC and WC in less than 6 years would be so easy. Japan: why not but after NZ 2011, I think it would be better to come back to Europe or to go to South Africa. For European viewers, both matchs in NZ and Japan will start between 5h00 and 13h00.
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IIf you consider that, since 1966, 6 WC took place in Europe:
- 1996: England
- 1974: (West) Germany
- 1982: Spain
- 1990: Italy
- 1998: France
- 2002: Germany
Ah yes, good old WC 96, England staged a great tournament then... Greedy buggers are asking for 2018 as well?
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Ah yes, good old WC 96, England staged a great tournament then... Greedy buggers are asking for 2018 as well?
Germany did a great job in 2002 as well
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Old November 4th, 2007, 12:42 PM   #2598
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All right guys: I made two mistakes with my keyboard. Thank you for your remarks. But that doesn't change anything: Europeans should support together England's bid for WC 2018 and Spain should get Euro 2016 and bid for WC 2026.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 12:45 PM   #2599
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Scotland could easily host a Rugby World Cup on its own, it has at least as good stadiums as Australia did or New Zealand.

Murrayfield - 67500
Hampden Park - 52000
Ibrox Park - 51000
Celtic Park - 61000
Pittodrie - 22000 (or new Aberdeen stadium 30000)
Tannadice - 18000
Rugby Park - 17000
Tynecastle - 25000 by then

and improvements to Inverness/Falkirk etc.

It wont though because Rugby isnt big enough.

Ireland probably could if GAA stadiums were used, and Rugby is big enough but doubt they'd be allowed to use them.
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All right guys: I made two mistakes with my keyboard. Thank you for your remarks. But that doesn't change anything: Europeans should support together England's bid for WC 2018 and Spain should get Euro 2016 and bid for WC 2026.
Rumour was that the English FA have already done a deal to back Russia for 2016 if the Russian's back England for 2018.

Don't think Spain would win against England for the simple reason of history - England have waited a bit longer 1966 vs 1982.
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