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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old November 6th, 2007, 07:14 AM   #2621
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Rumour was that the English FA have already done a deal to back Russia for 2016 if the Russian's back England for 2018.

Don't think Spain would win against England for the simple reason of history - England have waited a bit longer 1966 vs 1982.
I like the sound of that!

Where did you hear this rumour from?

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Old November 6th, 2007, 08:13 AM   #2622
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Hate so much those shoebox stadiums!



Those beat all the oval crap with running tracks.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 08:36 AM   #2623
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I like the sound of that!

Where did you hear this rumour from?

Posted on a forum somewhere - possibly 442. Sounds plausible.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 10:15 AM   #2624
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FA Deny Russia World Cup Deal



Nov 2 2007 08:49

The Football Association have rejected a report that England may enter into a deal with Russia over the 2018 World Cup bid.
Russia are expected to be rivals for 2018 but a report today suggested England may try to do a deal where they would back Russia for Euro 2016 in return for their support for 2018.

An FA spokesman said: "We totally reject any suggestion that there is a pact with Russia regarding our 2018 World Cup bid."

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/64184...-cup-deal.aspx

Who knows whats going on behind closed doors
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Old November 6th, 2007, 11:43 AM   #2625
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A new element in the Belgian WC bid: Charleroi wants to build a new multifunctional stadium for Sporting Charleroi (first division) and Olympic Charleroi (second division), just outside the city limits. Charleroi already hosted Euro 2000.

The updated list of possible Belgian World Cup stadiums:
Bruges
Brussels
Liège
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Old November 6th, 2007, 11:44 AM   #2626
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Belgium won't exist in 2018. A Dutch-Belgian bid will therefore have no chance in hell. Spain or Australia all the way.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 12:01 PM   #2627
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am i the only one to expect the spanish to be strong? no spanyards in this forum?
???? you don´t read very well do you?
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Old November 6th, 2007, 01:00 PM   #2628
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Belgium won't exist in 2018. A Dutch-Belgian bid will therefore have no chance in hell. Spain or Australia all the way.

So you would celebrate Flemish Liberation by supporting Spain a country with Galician Celts or Australia well known for its barbarian tendencies, where they will put a crap bid in and humiliate FIFA and where the citizenry have barely given up eating each other (still legal in Western Australia and Northern Territory) rather than supporting loyal fellow Germanians.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 01:05 PM   #2629
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Rumours are flying round that the London 2012 Olympic stadium design will be released tomorrow The design and construction of this stadium will have quite an impact on FIFA's decision, as it's as big a project as Wembley.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 01:26 PM   #2630
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Belgium won't exist in 2018. A Dutch-Belgian bid will therefore have no chance in hell. Spain or Australia all the way.
A Dutch-Flemish bid will do fine then . The French can have Wallonia, Flanders would make a nice little country. They just have to make sure Brussels joins Flanders, the french can't have Brussels!
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Old November 6th, 2007, 01:53 PM   #2631
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The French can have Wallonia, Flanders would make a nice little country. They just have to make sure Brussels joins Flanders, the french can't have Brussels!
We are talking about WC2018 and not about the futur of Belgium.
But French don't want Bruxelles or Wallonia: France is big enough like this.
So, keep Bruxelles, Flanders and Wallonia in Belgium please and stop acting like little children in a kindergarten.

Earing Flemish crying that "they pay too many taxes" is a bit boring and earing Wallons crying that "Flemishs are not fair" is boring too.

==> So, lets support WC ENGLAND 2018
I realise that I'm a Frenchman who support and English bid...but I see that most of French, German and Ialian people do the same. Maybe there is a god reason: football fans would like to watch a great WC and a final game at Wembley Stadium.
Football is coming home.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 03:14 PM   #2632
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am i the only one to expect the spanish to be strong? no spanyards in this forum?
Yes the Spanish would have a very strong bid to rival Englands and they might even pip them too it. Here is a list of the stadiums Spain might put forward in a bid:

Possible Spanish stadiums new and redevloped by 2018:

Barcelona, Nou Camp 106,000 redeveloped by 2011. (Uefa 5*)

Madrid, Bernabéu 80,354 (Uefa 5*) Built.

Valencia, Nuevo Estadio Valencia 75,000 built by 2009. (Should be Uefa 5*)

Madrid, Estadio La Peineta 73,700. (Was planned to be 2012 Olympic Stadium so might have been scrapped)

Seville, Estadio Olimpico de la Cartuja 57,619 (Uefa 5*) Built.

Bilbao, Estadio San Mames 56,000 built by 2011.

Zaragoz, Nueva Romareda 43,000 built by 2008 (but club want 50,000+).

San Sebastián, GipuzkoArena 42,500 built by 2007.

Mallorca, New Stadium 40,000+ They had plans to move to a new stadium although I have no idea if thats still happening.

Spain also has many stadiums similarly to England thats below 40,000 and could be expanded, such as these:

La Coruna: Estadio de Riazor. Needs to be expanded from 34,600. Built.
Malaga: Estadio La Rosaleda. Needs expansion from 37,200. Built.
Murcia: Nueva Condomina. Needs expansion from 31,200. Built.
Elche: Estadio Manuel Martinez Valero. Needs expansion from 38,800. Built.

Spains major problem is that they have 2 or more 40,000+ stadiums in the same city and so could not be used.

Seville, Manuel Ruiz de Lopera Stadium: Have expressed expansion plans to 65,000-70,000. Currently 55,000.
Seville, Ramon Sanchez 45,000: Although they have had ideas to expand to 60,000+
Barcelona, Nou Sarria 41,000 planned to be built in the future.
Madrid, Estadio Vicente Calderon 57,500 (would be used if Estadio La Peineta not built)

If we compare this to Englands built and proposed stadiums for 2018 bid:

London: Wembley 90,000
London: Emirates 60,432
Manchester: Old Trafford 76,312 (Possible expansion up to 96,000) Uefa 5*
Liverpool: Stanley Park 60,000 (Possible expansion to 78,000)
Birmingham: Villa Park 51,000 (Shall be expanded to this size by 2012)
Newcastle: St James Park 60,000+ (Plans been announced to expand from 52,387)
Sunderland: Stadium of Light 48,707 (Can be expanded up to 64,000)
Sheffield: Hillsborough 40,000 (A revamp and slight expansion needed)
Leeds: Elland Road 40,296 (A revamp needed)
Nottingham: New Stadium 50,000 built by 2014.
Leicester: Walkers Stadium 45,000 Plans are to be expanded from current 32,500.
Pride Park Stadium: 44,000 plans for expansion from 33,597 by 2008.

Other stadiums that might be used instead of several in Midlands and 2 in North East to give wider geographic spread, but have no plans to build/expand just yet are:

Bristol: New Stadium 40,000.
Southampton: St Mary's 32,689 can be expanded up to 50,000. Or use Portsmouths: New Stadium 36,000 buit by 2011 would need small expansion though. Or which is my prefered choice expand Brightons new Falmer stadium from 22,500 to 40,000.
Norwich, Carrow Road expand from 26,034 to 40,000+.


Other large stadiums that might be used instead of those in 1st English list, but only 1 city can have 2 stadiums, are:

Birmingham: City of Birmingham Stadium 55,000
Manchester: City of Manchester Stadium 47,726
Liverpool: New Everton Stadium 50,000 (Could be used in bid as outside of city limits)
London: Expanded White Hart Lane 52,000 being planned.
London: New West Ham stadium 60,000+ being planned.
London: New Chelsea stadium 60,000+

Please let me know what you think of the comparison between the 2 countries, and let me know if there are any spanish stadiums I should have mentioned.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 04:01 PM   #2633
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@skaP187:

well i didn't read all 54 pages. But the last few pages were all about England, Australia, Belgium/Holland. In my eyes the only real contender of the english bid is Spain, regarding their stadia and their infrastructure. I assume that Australia hasn't got much of a chance for 2018 as it is Australia - not Europe. The spanish only lack one thing so far: a bid.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 04:52 PM   #2634
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Please let me know what you think of the comparison between the 2 countries, and let me know if there are any spanish stadiums I should have mentioned.
I think it is a very good comparison, finaly an objective view.

The stadium from Real Sociedad, San Sebastian, you can cross out. This will not be built in a short while, there are no concrete planns anymore. Specialy with them playing in ´La Segunda´ this year.

Complements on your overview!
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Old November 6th, 2007, 05:03 PM   #2635
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I take a Spanish Bid very very seriously, it has the infrastructure, the European Timezones (obviously) and the footballing heritage as well as only having hosted it once, the fact that it did so in 1982 won't be a disadvantage given that it will be a 36 year gap.

As far as European Elements are concerned its a straightforward England v Spain.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 05:55 PM   #2636
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Old November 6th, 2007, 06:05 PM   #2637
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The overiding fact why Spain wont win in a big against England is the fact that the latter lost out in 2006. If it was to lose out again ... The tension between the FA, UEFA and FIFA will be unbearable.

It will be far to hard to resist another bid from England and keep the biggest and richest domestic football association on thier side, not to mention the the fans.

Infact - if Scotland qualify for Euro 2008 and a few events leading up to 2011 when the winner is announced. It would benefit the Englisg bid immensly.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 06:40 PM   #2638
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@skaP187:

well i didn't read all 54 pages. But the last few pages were all about England, Australia, Belgium/Holland. In my eyes the only real contender of the english bid is Spain, regarding their stadia and their infrastructure. I assume that Australia hasn't got much of a chance for 2018 as it is Australia - not Europe. The spanish only lack one thing so far: a bid.





Just let me, say something, ......... DO NOT FORGET MEXICO , no one talks about it, but mexico's capable
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Old November 6th, 2007, 06:45 PM   #2639
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@ Mexikaner:

Mexico might surely be capable, but third world cup in one country as long as others have only staged one or none...!? I don't think so...
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Old November 6th, 2007, 08:22 PM   #2640
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The overiding fact why Spain wont win in a big against England is the fact that the latter lost out in 2006. If it was to lose out again ... The tension between the FA, UEFA and FIFA will be unbearable.
I've heard many rumours and mutterings that the FA bid for the 2006 WC for exactly that reason, they kinda knew Germany would get it anyway, the English bid was rather half-hearted and probably wouldn't have been ready anyway (Wembley?), but they knew that if they bid and lost for 2006 they'd stand a better chance of getting to host it in 2018, as FIFA/EUFA wouldn't want to appear as though hey had an agenda against an English bid.

Btw, all this talk of a Spanish bid being England's main European rival (which it would be)....have the Spanish FA actually made any hints that they will be bidding?
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