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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old November 6th, 2007, 08:30 PM   #2641
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Just let me, say something, ......... DO NOT FORGET MEXICO , no one talks about it, but mexico's capable

After Brazil I doubt it.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 12:21 AM   #2642
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Liverpool's plans for their new stadium has been accepted and work should begin on it immediatley.

by the time of the world cup the capacity would be upto 76,000.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 12:40 PM   #2643
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Good news! The stadium will definetly be used for 2018. Unless Everton build an 80,000 seater
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Old November 7th, 2007, 01:22 PM   #2644
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Here's the first looks at the 2012 Olympic stadium in London:

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It will probably become a 25,000 seater by the time the 2018 WC comes along, but new stadium construction will appeal to FIFA.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 01:35 PM   #2645
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It will probably become a 25,000 seater by the time the 2018 WC comes along, but new stadium construction will appeal to FIFA.
No baring on WC2018 at all.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 01:43 PM   #2646
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If it's completed on time and is a success during the Games then FIFA will take note.

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Old November 7th, 2007, 01:57 PM   #2647
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Hmmmm.....pretty basic looking.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 05:54 PM   #2648
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A very big difference with this:




Looked much more interesting. The new design looks pretty plain, or basic, as Wezza argues. Maybe they used the first spectacular design to win the bidding proces, to change to a cheaper, more basic design next?

There is way too much space between the pitch and the stands to host World Cup matches in my opinion, England has better stadiums for that. Looks like an Australian cricket stadium. To decrease the distance, they would have to lower the pitch a lot, which would lead to a considerable increase in capacity, to way over 100,000 I think (I don't know what capacity the Olympic stadium will have).
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Old November 7th, 2007, 06:30 PM   #2649
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A very big difference with this:




Looked much more interesting. The new design looks pretty plain, or basic, as Wezza argues. Maybe they used the first spectacular design to win the bidding proces, to change to a cheaper, more basic design next?

There is way too much space between the pitch and the stands to host World Cup matches in my opinion, England has better stadiums for that. Looks like an Australian cricket stadium. To decrease the distance, they would have to lower the pitch a lot, which would lead to a considerable increase in capacity, to way over 100,000 I think (I don't know what capacity the Olympic stadium will have).
A very big difference. But thats how you win bids..you win it with the best bid or vision. its all about marketing and communcating your vision.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 08:46 PM   #2650
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We all know that America has many stadiums of large capacities, and would have a great deal to choose from if it came to selecting 12 stadiums for the 2018 world cup (Texas on its own could host a W.C!!). However we haven’t really looked at many of the stadiums in this thread since the first page.

When America last hosted a world cup in 1994, teams and fans complained that the host cities were too far apart which resulted in very long flights let alone road trips. An example would be Swedish fans going between Los Angeles and Detroit in the group stages, then onto Dallas, San Francisco and Los Angeles in the knock out stages (Although the last 2 cities are in the same state and close, the other 3 are some distance apart).

In the 1994 World Cup 9 cities were chosen to host a 24 team tournament, they were:
Boston, New York City / NJ, Washington D.C, Chicago, Orlando, Detroit, Dallas, San Francisco and Los Angeles. For the 2018 World Cup, its expected 32 teams would enter and 12 cities chosen. So here I shall look at which cities and stadiums that could be looked at to host. I have chosen modern stadiums within major US cities, they have a good geographic spread with strong transport links. But it allows teams to stay within regions of this vast country thus making travel less and more easier. 2 groups would play their matches within 1 region in the 1st round. Then teams that progress could stay in that region or move to next closest region to play the round of 16 match. In the Quarter finals the more important cities in each region would host that match (LA, Chicago, Dallas, NYC). The semi finals and finals could take place in New York City and Los Angeles as are largest and most important cities in the country.

Please let me know what you think of this idea, I am not entirely sure about the 2 semi finals being played on opposite sides of the US, as doesn’t resolve the problem of long journey’s in 1994 W.C.

Region 1 West Coast
Groups A & B

Seattle WA: Qwest Field 67,000 built 2002.


San Francisco CA: Intend to build a new 68,000 stadium.


Los Angeles CA: Rose Bowl 92,000 redevelopment needed. But has hosted 2 W.C Finals in past.


Region 2 Mid West
Groups C & D

Denver CO: Invesco Field 76,125 built in 2001.


Chicago IL: Soldier Field 61,500 redeveloped in 2003.


Nashville TN: LP Field 68,798 built in 1999.


Region 3 Southern
Groups E & F

Dallas TX: Dallas Cowboys new stadium 80,000 – 100,000 built by 2009.


New Orleans LA: New Saints Stadium 70,000 built by 2009.


Miami FL: Dolphin Stadium 75,000 to be redeveloped in 2010.


Region 4 North East
Groups G & H

New York City/ NJ: New Meadowlands Stadium 82,500 built by 2010.


Washington D.C: FedEx Field 91,704 built in 1997.


Boston MA: Gillette Stadium 68,756 built in 2002.


Here is a map to give you a geographic idea of the cities listed above and below, it also shows many other major US cities.


As I said before there are many big stadiums in USA and some of the stadiums above use “field turf” as apposed to grass, which might be a problem with Fifa. Here is a list of others that could be used instead of those above

West coast:
San Francisco, Stanford Stadium 50,000 renovated in 2005 but capacity is much smaller then when was used in 1994 W.C.
Los Angeles, Memorial Coliseum 92,000 there are plans to renovate the stadium if an NFL comes back to play in LA. This would replace the Rose Bowl.
San Diego, New Chargers Stadium 65,000 built by 2009.

Mid West:
Pheonix, University of Pheonix Stadium 63,400 built in 2006. Fantastic modern stadium which has a pitch that roles in and out of ground.
Kansas City, Arrowhead Stadium 74,409 renovations to take place in 2011. This location is better placed than Nashville for the Mid West group, but the city is not that major within US.
Cleveland, Cleveland Browns Stadium 73,200 built in 1999.
St Louis, Edward Jones Dome 66,000 built in 1995. A better location then Nashville and probably has more tourist attractions, but the dome has Field Turf and not grass.
Indianopolis, moving to new Lucas Oil Field stadium in 2008, 63,000-75,000.
Detroit, Ford Field 65,000 built in 2002 city was host last time but this ground has field turf and not grass.

Southern:
Houston, Reliant Stadium 71,500 built in 2002. A fantastic looking stadium and could replace either Dallas or New Orleans.
Atlanta, Georgia Dome 71,149. Built in 2002 has good location and transport links.
Orlando, Citrus Bowl 70,000 intentions to renovate and was used in 1994 W.C.
Jacksonville, Municipal Stadium 67,164 built in1995. Not a major city in USA.
Charlotte, Bank of America Stadium 73,250 built 1996. Not a major city in USA.

North East:
Philadelphia, Lincoln Field 68,500 built 2003. Great stadium and very large and important city it could replace Boston.
Pittsburgh, Heinz Field 65,050 built in 2001.

So that’s it please let me know what you think and what cities you might use instead of the final ones I chose. My personal opinion on the 2018 World Cup is that it should go to England and it’s theirs to lose. But the US could put in a very strong bid, as too could China. I’m sure Fifa would love the financial rewards of hosting a W.C in such large and economically powerful country.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 09:41 PM   #2651
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The mexican football federation has make official the interest of making a wrld cup.
Mexico has the capacity because it already has modern stadiums they only need some modifications and new infrastructure.
I personally think mexico has very good chances, imagine it would be very atractive for fifa because of the famous mexican hospitality and the good stadiums infrastructure, and the tourism infrastrucure.
However the 2018 wc will be in concacaf, europe always gets the wc now its turn that it returns to north america
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Old November 7th, 2007, 10:37 PM   #2652
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@ Kobo:
thanks for this amazing overview. I'm sure another world cup in the US is only a question of time..


what's the Olympic Stadium in London got to do with the world cup 2018???
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Old November 7th, 2007, 11:23 PM   #2653
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Do they not like roofs over the stands in America? I notice it is quite common to not have them.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 12:09 AM   #2654
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The mexican football federation has make official the interest of making a wrld cup.
Mexico has the capacity because it already has modern stadiums they only need some modifications and new infrastructure.
I personally think mexico has very good chances, imagine it would be very atractive for fifa because of the famous mexican hospitality and the good stadiums infrastructure, and the tourism infrastrucure.
However the 2018 wc will be in concacaf, europe always gets the wc now its turn that it returns to north america
can't see FIFA missing Europe for 3 tournaments in a row
can't see them going North America in the tournament after South America
can't see them giving Mexico a 3rd finals when the U.S., England, Spain, etc., have only had one

I believe 2018 will be in Europe...
2022 on the other hand - I can imagine a huge frenzy over that one, with the U.S., Mexico and China all very strong, Australia in a better position than they would be for 2018, and the probability of a cash-rich Middle Eastern nation (U.A.E.?) putting in a bid to test FIFA's resolve re: spreading the game - as well as Africa being back in the running, if S.A. goes well, who's to say that Morocco won't put in a better bid than they did last time?
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Old November 8th, 2007, 02:13 AM   #2655
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A very big difference. But thats how you win bids..you win it with the best bid or vision. its all about marketing and communcating your vision.
Now I know how Australia will host 2018.


Take a leaf from the London Olympic bid and submit audacious plans that we never intend on constructing.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 03:20 PM   #2656
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The designs for the aquatics centre and the velodrome are amazing. The Oympic Park will look incredible, that has hardly changed from the bid. The Olympic Stadium design has changed but every new Olympic stadium looked different in the bid stage.

London's Olympic Park will be incredible and anyone who suggests what's happening now is substantially different to our bid is plain wrong.

I know your post was tongue in cheek, so I don't necessarily mean you NavyBlue.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 04:01 PM   #2657
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In addition to Kobo's post (he was talking about a refurbishment of LA Memorial Coliseum), I have found this on wiki:



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Old November 8th, 2007, 04:28 PM   #2658
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Now I know how Australia will host 2018.


Take a leaf from the London Olympic bid and submit audacious plans that we never intend on constructing.
huh?

London is fulfilling all its promises.
I said "visions" in terms of renders produced

On paper you say 80,000 seat stadium with 55,000 temporary seats and 25,000 permanent seats, and then you provide some unrealistic vision or rendering of what it will look like. After the games are awarded you scale it down. The plans are not different to what they said it would be.
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huh?

London is fulfilling all its promises.
I said "visions" in terms of renders produced

On paper you say 80,000 seat stadium with 55,000 temporary seats and 25,000 permanent seats, and then you provide some unrealistic vision or rendering of what it will look like. After the games are awarded you scale it down. The plans are not different to what they said it would be.
Sounds like a plan to me . . . a "vision" for every stadium to be used in 2018.
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Sounds like a plan to me . . . a "vision" for every stadium to be used in 2018.
Yeah, but whilst the 'vision' doesn't have to match the reality, the specs must match up. If you say you are going to have 10 FIFA standard stadiums, with a total seating capacity of 600,000 - you better make sure you're not falling back on AAMI Stadium and Dairy Farmers when the FIFA team come to look around in 2016.

Apart from money, FIFA share an 'official' interest with the IOC in redevelopment. That's why I (tongue in cheek) suggest the building of 8 new multi-purpose 'state' stadiums as part of (and irrespective of the success of) any bid. Put them in crappy undeveloped parts of various cities, and repeatedly point at the plans during the bidding proces.
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