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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old November 13th, 2007, 10:53 PM   #2681
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England can't be expected to be given this on a platter. We'll have to convince many people; that's our job now.

Not everyone will be convinved for whatever reasons (some of them may be daft reasons but that's beside the point). We have to convince, not demand.
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Old November 13th, 2007, 11:04 PM   #2682
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China may go for it

and it will create a whole lot dynamic of competitions :-)
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Old November 13th, 2007, 11:13 PM   #2683
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I'm not saying we should be given the WC on a platter, no one has a devine right to be hosts. It just concerns me when the president's of both fifa and uefa both spout about the 'problems' in the English game. And how they are not sure England is 'right'.

I wonder if Platini would talk about the money and racism problems if Spain were to bid? Or the hooligan element if Poland were to, or the supposed corruption if Russia did?

Probably not...
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Old November 13th, 2007, 11:28 PM   #2684
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doesn't change the fact that south africa will host the 2010 world cup.
I know that, i never said it did.

I was only reacting to this comment:

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There are far better choices. uh England.
Which is clearly not true. However, England will probably get 2018.

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Old November 14th, 2007, 12:21 AM   #2685
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The thing I don't get is what the hell England's number of foreign players and owners have to do with a WC bid from England in 2018...? I too am rather concerned with the number of foreign players and owners in teh Premiership as it is starting to stifle English talent, but as I doubt the likes of Platini (if he's honest with himself) really gives a crap about the future of English footballers, I can only surmise that it yet another ever-present sign that UEFA/FIFA are becoming rather scared about the level of money and power the Premiership has been gaining over the last 10 years. It's increasing domination over the Asian market, and the South African market and (though little) the North American market (with signs also that it is gaining in popularity in South America as well) mean it's getting money and power by the truckloads and English teams are starting to really prosper in the CL (altough as yet not dominating the trophies). It's no wonder Platini wants to restrict England and others to 3 CL places, he'll use the excuse of wanting to give other countries a shot at it but it's really to limit the Premiership's and La Liga's power.

If he makes constructive criticism about England's bid...stadiums, infastructre etc etc that's ok, there's nothing wrong with that, but why the hell is he trying to take a shot at it because of what's going on in the Premiership (which is also going on in Spain and Italy as well!)
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Old November 14th, 2007, 12:46 AM   #2686
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2018 England
2022 China
2026 Argentina
2030 Morocco (for the best WC of all time)
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Old November 14th, 2007, 12:49 AM   #2687
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I know that, i never said it did.

I was only reacting to this comment:



Which is clearly not true. However, England will probably get 2018.
I do believe if it is true and as this is a forum, you don't have to agree.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 06:51 AM   #2688
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There are far better choices. uh England.
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Which is clearly not true. However, England will probably get 2018.
I can give you numerous reasons why an England 2018 bid would be stronger than an Aussie one (and all of these coming from a bloke who lives in Australia and wants the finals here):

1) Population of 60 mill vs 25 mill
2) Time zone compatible with prime time in the big tv markets vs time zone compatible with sleep in the big tv markets
3) A glorious history of footballing support vs a history of ethnically based dislike of the sport (Sheilas, Wogs and Poofters, great book by a great man)
4) A couple of hours flight to half the competing nations vs a couple of hours flight and your still in Aussie airspace.
5) Excellent communications links between all venues vs massive travelling times between most venues
6) The presence of all the required stadiums PRIOR to the the bid vs lots of speculative stadia.

Australia would have to come up with a bid that TOPS all of those factors, THEN hope that the rest of FIFA agreed.

How many reasons can you give for an Aussie one being better than England? The only ones I can come up with are:

1) Australia's never had it, England has once (goes for many other nations).
2) It's always in Europe, let someone else have a go (no longer true).
3) Australia always does a good job hosting major events (debatable).
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Old November 14th, 2007, 10:47 AM   #2689
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I don't really think it's debatable at all that Australia does a good job at hosting major events. While i don't think 2018 is our best shot (2022 would be the best for us), i refuse to believe that we couldn't do as good of a job as any other candidates.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 11:44 AM   #2690
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All the points against England:

1)

England won't organize the WC, especially after 5 years after the Olympics.

FIFA, never gives the olympics to country who just hosted something as big as the Olympics.

(you have to wait atleast 10 years)

2)

Soccer is already Poular in England


3)

Theres nothing in for Fifa, if they orginize the WC in England. They care about money.




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Old November 14th, 2007, 12:30 PM   #2691
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Theres nothing in for Fifa, if they orginize the WC in England. They care about money.
Sadly. They should be more concerned with what's in there for FOOTBALL...

Bunch of scum.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:00 PM   #2692
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All the points against England:

1)

England won't organize the WC, especially after 5 years after the Olympics.

FIFA, never gives the olympics to country who just hosted something as big as the Olympics.

(you have to wait atleast 10 years)

2)

Soccer is already Poular in England


3)

Theres nothing in for Fifa, if they orginize the WC in England. They care about money.




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many assumptions. Why would FIFA revenues be an issue? South Africa has already exceeded Germany 2006 revenues, How would this be a problem for England? oh and FIFA doesn't award the Olympic Games. England is capable of hosting Olympic Games and a FIFA World Cup 6 years apart. It hosted enough football matches across the country at all levels over the last 100 years to make anyone dizzy.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:04 PM   #2693
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I can give you numerous reasons why an England 2018 bid would be stronger than an Aussie one (and all of these coming from a bloke who lives in Australia and wants the finals here):

1) Population of 60 mill vs 25 mill
2) Time zone compatible with prime time in the big tv markets vs time zone compatible with sleep in the big tv markets
3) A glorious history of footballing support vs a history of ethnically based dislike of the sport (Sheilas, Wogs and Poofters, great book by a great man)
4) A couple of hours flight to half the competing nations vs a couple of hours flight and your still in Aussie airspace.
5) Excellent communications links between all venues vs massive travelling times between most venues
6) The presence of all the required stadiums PRIOR to the the bid vs lots of speculative stadia.

Australia would have to come up with a bid that TOPS all of those factors, THEN hope that the rest of FIFA agreed.

How many reasons can you give for an Aussie one being better than England? The only ones I can come up with are:

1) Australia's never had it, England has once (goes for many other nations).
2) It's always in Europe, let someone else have a go (no longer true).
3) Australia always does a good job hosting major events (debatable).
England should really push the..."football comes home" thing..ala athens 2004.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:44 PM   #2694
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Theres nothing in for Fifa, if they orginize the WC in England. They care about money.

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Care to explain this point? Why can't FIFA make heaps of money in England?
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Old November 14th, 2007, 02:59 PM   #2695
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England should really push the..."football comes home" thing..ala athens 2004.
We did that for our 2006 bid. It didn't work.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 03:08 PM   #2696
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We did that for our 2006 bid. It didn't work.
well then the communications team failed. apparently South Africa was rated higher than england in the 2006 bid technical evaluation. i wonder how FIFA managed that.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 03:13 PM   #2697
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Yes I just don't understand the revenues argument, I am convinced England would be far more profitable than 20 million Australia.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 03:38 PM   #2698
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I don't really think it's debatable at all that Australia does a good job at hosting major events. While i don't think 2018 is our best shot (2022 would be the best for us), i refuse to believe that we couldn't do as good of a job as any other candidates.
Australia did a stunning job with the Olympics, lesser events like the Commonwealth Games and the Rugby World Cup were pretty well handled, but there's a lot of attention of the struggles to make the F1 Grand Prix financially viable due to the huge travelling distances and the problems with television broadcast in the primary market (Europe). FIFA will notice that.

And it's not about whether Australia could do a good job or not - it's about convincing FIFA that we could do a BETTER job than anyone else, and do it well enough to overcome all the points mentioned above.

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All the points against England:

1) England won't organize the WC, especially after 5 years after the Olympics.

FIFA, never gives the olympics to country who just hosted something as big as the Olympics.

(you have to wait atleast 10 years)

2) Soccer is already Poular in England

3) Theres nothing in for Fifa, if they orginize the WC in England. They care about money.
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1) The two aren't connected. FIFA and the IOC certainly have no problem doing things the other way around, USA '94, Atlanta '96, why should it be a problem the other way around?

2) Soccer was already popular in Germany, is fairly popular in Brazil, and I'm pretty sure Mo Rush will back me up that it's popular in South Africa.

3) A world cup in England would be ideal for tv audiences around Europe - the biggest football audiences in the world, giving huge guarenteed revenues.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 03:39 PM   #2699
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well then the communications team failed. apparently South Africa was rated higher than england in the 2006 bid technical evaluation. i wonder how FIFA managed that.
IIRC England went back on a deal with Germany, and lost a lot of favour within UEFA, which lead to Euro votes going to Germany rather than England and ultimately lost England the chance to host. All round it was apparently a pretty botched up bid by my lot.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 05:28 PM   #2700
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Sepp Blatter has welcomed the bid by Netherlands/Belgium. They will work under one organisation committee as two friendly neighbouring countries (contrary to the Japan-South Korea tournament of 2002). Plus they have had a succesful Euro 2000 tournament.

As our attacking play and ´total football´ has allways been well-liked, the 2018 tournamant will go Dutch (and Belgium)! All it will take are some extra tiers to existing stadiums, which will arrive in time.
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