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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old November 28th, 2007, 10:46 PM   #2881
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Amsterdam Arena doubts expansion to 70,000

According to the last edition of the weekly 'Voetbal International' (Hollands leading Football Magazine), research has shown that it is possible to increase the capacity of the Amsterdam Arena to 70,000 seats. For this expansion it is necessary to lift the retractable roof in order to enlarge the second tier. With this enlargement the stadium will be possible to host European finals, semi-half finals and the possible World Cup Final in 2018. Stadium manager Markerink fears however that the benefits will not meet the enormous costs. He Therefore, he wants to turn the Arena into a 'smart stadium', with more services offered to its visitors. 'Why build a 80,000 seater if it will be only half full?
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Old November 28th, 2007, 11:12 PM   #2882
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Amsterdam Arena doubts expansion to 70,000

According to the last edition of the weekly 'Voetbal International' (Hollands leading Football Magazine), research has shown that it is possible to increase the capacity of the Amsterdam Arena to 70,000 seats. For this expansion it is necessary to lift the retractable roof in order to enlarge the second tier. With this enlargement the stadium will be possible to host European finals, semi-half finals and the possible World Cup Final in 2018. Stadium manager Markerink fears however that the benefits will not meet the enormous costs. He Therefore, he wants to turn the Arena into a 'smart stadium', with more services offered to its visitors. 'Why build a 80,000 seater if it will be only half full?
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smaller seats should be installed to increase capacity.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 12:16 AM   #2883
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the guy wants to make it more like a movie theater then it already is... while supporters are mourning for a bigger stadium. seasontickets soldout yearly and many many many clubcard holders who cant buy a ticket. the guy is realy stupid and he doesnt know it.
we are talking about a possible worldcup final in the stadium and he doenst see a benefit comming out of it. when the stadium is the iconic centre of the possible 2018 WC the benefit is comming out realy soon, isnt it from the worldcup it self then it will come after.

and that 'half empty' stadium is bullcrap two. Ajax sells every game a minimum of 48.000 tickets out of a 52.342 capacity. many people of the SVA or other official supporterclubs cant go because they cant buy a desent ticket. yeah, one of 55 euro for a game of Ajax-excelsior. who wants to go there for 55euro??

nope, the guy doesnt see its potential. he wants only the businessman with the tie and the champaign on a chear while the real fan must go to the pub to watch the game....
its a shame that 90.000 people of the SVA (biggest supporters club of the club Ajax) cant go to a match on a regular basis.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 12:21 AM   #2884
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World Cup 2018 England.Tiddly Winks World Cup 2018 Benelux(sounds like a washing detergent lol)-I'm only joking

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Old November 29th, 2007, 12:29 AM   #2885
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the guy wants to make it more like a movie theater then it already is... while supporters are mourning for a bigger stadium. seasontickets soldout yearly and many many many clubcard holders who cant buy a ticket. the guy is realy stupid and he doesnt know it.
we are talking about a possible worldcup final in the stadium and he doenst see a benefit comming out of it. when the stadium is the iconic centre of the possible 2018 WC the benefit is comming out realy soon, isnt it from the worldcup it self then it will come after.

and that 'half empty' stadium is bullcrap two. Ajax sells every game a minimum of 48.000 tickets out of a 52.342 capacity. many people of the SVA or other official supporterclubs cant go because they cant buy a desent ticket. yeah, one of 55 euro for a game of Ajax-excelsior. who wants to go there for 55euro??

nope, the guy doesnt see its potential. he wants only the businessman with the tie and the champaign on a chear while the real fan must go to the pub to watch the game....
its a shame that 90.000 people of the SVA (biggest supporters club of the club Ajax) cant go to a match on a regular basis.
yeah but ajax at the moment are pants in europe they are no longer a force,great stadium though and they should increase capacity

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Old November 29th, 2007, 01:29 AM   #2886
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In this line of reasoning, the American timezone is equally bad. When a game is played in the USA or Mexico at 9pm, most Europeans will be asleep, and Asians are just waking up. A timezone is always inconvenient for someone, it's not a reason for Australia or China not to get the WC in 2018.
Worst case scenario with the US is an 8pm kick off in LA - this would be the middle of the night in London - but it would still be a good timeslot for the whole of the Americas. 4pm kick of in LA, 8pm in New York, would be good for Europe, especially for the many supporters who like to watch in 'communal' places like pubs. Kick off that require supporters to miss the first half of their working day, and deny them the opportunity to have a few drinks whilst watching, are not popular...

That said, by and large I agree about the US timezone - that's why I think FIFA would want to avoid having consecutive world cups at unsuitable times for their mass European audience. As Mo said earlier, Africa is good for European viewers in terms of timezones, so for television purposes European viewers are only being 'inconvenienced' once (Brazil 2014)... I know it's not popular, I agree that it's not 'right', but it is reality. FIFA is based in Europe, 13 of the 32 sides are in Europe, the African sides are in a predominently European time-slot, as are (usually) one or two of the Asian sides - so one can reason that half the qualifying nations would be happier with a Euro time-slot...

All that said, I still WANT the finals in Australia for purely selfish reasons. Actually, England or Australia as I call them both home.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 01:53 AM   #2887
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I forgot how much time zones affected tournaments! If I remember rightly, the Japan/South Korean world cup in 2002 showed matches at 7am in England, so everyone had to get up early AND miss work.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 09:10 AM   #2888
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Worst case scenario with the US is an 8pm kick off in LA - this would be the middle of the night in London - but it would still be a good timeslot for the whole of the Americas. 4pm kick of in LA, 8pm in New York, would be good for Europe, especially for the many supporters who like to watch in 'communal' places like pubs. Kick off that require supporters to miss the first half of their working day, and deny them the opportunity to have a few drinks whilst watching, are not popular...

That said, by and large I agree about the US timezone - that's why I think FIFA would want to avoid having consecutive world cups at unsuitable times for their mass European audience.
The US really wasn't a horrible deal for the European television audience (although they were for the players who had to play in the heat). They just played the games at really early times. US-SUI kicked off at 11:30 AM local time in Detroit, the opening game was at 2 PM CT (9 PM CET), and the final at 12:30 PM in LA (9:30 PM CET). A few of the games were later (a couple 7:30 ET games in the early round,) but most of the games and almost all the later round games were held early in the day (4:30 ET at the latest) in the US so they'd be at night in Europe.

Brazil will likely be similar, although it's only four hours behind CET, instead of the US' 6-9, so 7:30 games will be on at 11:30 in Europe, which isn't horrible. Still, the later games will probably be at 5 PM or so to catch both the American and European markets.

So really, there's not much difference for TV in the Americas or Europe. Games in Europe start later and are on in the evening in Europe and midday in the Americas, while games in the Americas will start earlier and be on in the evening in Europe. Brazil 2014 won't be hurting European TV at all.

Australia/E. Asia, of course, is a different story, but it wouldn't be the case of two bad-timed World Cups in a row.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 11:01 AM   #2889
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...very simple...

England or some northern hemisphere country will...

It is highly unlikely that with 2010 in South Africa and 2014 in Brazil - FIFA will leave its powerhouse out in the cold for another 4 years... by having 3 consecutive WC's in the southern hemisphere...

2018 will more than likely go to Europe .... but don't be surprised if the US gets it cos some of the biggest WC sponsors are US conglomerates...
Unlike rugby, the football world doesn't think in hemispheres. China (northern hemisphere) and Australia (southern hempsphere) are for example both located in the Asian confederation. So it's a matter of confederations in football, not a matter of hemispheres. And what a shameless promotion of the Durban stadium in this thread lol, I like the design though.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 01:09 PM   #2890
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It will be arguably South Africa's best looking 2010 stadium... and will have a cable car that can take you to the top of the arches



I'm sorry but what does this have to do with this thread?
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Old November 29th, 2007, 03:31 PM   #2891
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Aahhh, timezones.

Last year's world cup coincided with university exams, with the kickoffs being either 1am, 3am or 5am (I think), it actually slotted in quite well with exams bar the loss of sleep.

The first match, Australia vs Japan, also set a record for the 1am timeslot on TV. A lot of people do stay up and employers are encouraged to be a bit more accommodating. It's much worse with the Ashes when it's being played in England though - that's five days in a row of late nights.

You see, the problem with sporting tournaments is that match times are never altered to suit Australia, but when there's big matches in our timezone, they get moved around to suit people overseas. For the WC it's fairly reasonable, but it's caused a few problems with for example the swimming finals for the 2008 Olympics which are in the morning to match US prime time.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 04:41 AM   #2892
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Forgetting, for a moment, the reasons why this country or that country is better or worse than any other, and what factors beyond the stadia will impact on the selection of hosts for 2018 - I'm really looking forward to seeing what kind of new stadium construction will be suggested as part of an Australian bid (if one accepts - as I do - that temporary expansions of existing stadia and use of AFL/cricket facilities is unlikely to cut it when put up against the 'pure football' stadia of England, Spain, Benelux, etc.)
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Old November 30th, 2007, 12:31 PM   #2893
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See what I told you, you South-West Hating, Dirty Authoritarians, looks like I was right.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...et/7120079.stm

Bristol City unveil stadium plan

The club hopes planning permission will be in place by the end of 2009
Bristol City FC have announced plans for a new 30,000 capacity stadium.
At the Championship club's annual general meeting on Thursday a spokesman said a site in south Bristol was already earmarked for the development.

The club hopes planning permission will be in place by the end of 2009 and the new stadium will be ready in time for the 2011/2012 season.

Its aim is to be able to host World Cup games, in which case capacity could increase to 40,000 if approved.

The club said it was legally bound not to give the exact location of the new stadium, but it is said to be "not too far" from the Ashton Gate ground.

Chairman Steve Lansdown said: "I've gone to the council, had conversations with all the party leaders, got their support for it, spoken to the planners.

"We've got to go through the due process, but I'm confident we'll get the end result in a reasonable time frame."

Ashton Gate could now be sold off for housing.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 01:45 PM   #2894
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No shock there. With City doing well and Ashton Gate being such a hole, it was always going to happen sooner or later. I'm not in the slightest surprised that they've announced it at 30k - no doubt they'll look for the FA/Government to kick in extra money to help the capacity up to world cup standards... Having a stadium in the South West was always going to be important for an English bid, and Bristol was always a more realistic bid than Plymouth (or Swindon!).
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Well most people have taken a rather hateful attitude to Bristol thinking of it as some small hamlet or something, when it is one of England's Core Cities, and arguably the most beautiful of the larger cities, yet it has got nothing but snubs from those who glorify far grimmer, far uglier cities.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 03:12 PM   #2896
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Bristol's a beautiful city! It has every right to host a World Cup game above places like Southampton or Plymouth (etc). The hot air balloon festival could even be on at the same time

How could anyone not want a World Cup game to be staged here:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1036/...54529ba6_b.jpg !?

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Old November 30th, 2007, 04:53 PM   #2897
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Well most people have taken a rather hateful attitude to Bristol thinking of it as some small hamlet or something, when it is one of England's Core Cities, and arguably the most beautiful of the larger cities, yet it has got nothing but snubs from those who glorify far grimmer, far uglier cities.

Lost, has someone physically spat in your face when you told them you were from the South West, as you seem rather touchy and defensive about your area?
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Old November 30th, 2007, 05:30 PM   #2898
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Isn't Lostboy a Scot?
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Old November 30th, 2007, 06:06 PM   #2899
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Bristol is too close to Wales to be a truly Germanic city.

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Old December 1st, 2007, 02:43 AM   #2900
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Not at all. It has just as good transport links with London as it has with Cardiff in Wales. There's nothing Welsh about the place!
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