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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old February 17th, 2008, 12:54 AM   #3021
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MCG 100,000 Melbourne Existing
Telstra Stadium 83,500 Sydney Existing
Perth Stadium 60,000 Perth New
Suncorp Stadium 52,500 Brisbane Existing
Rectangular Stadium 50,000 Melbourne New
Adelaide Stadium 50,000 Adelaide New
Aussie Stadium 42,000 Sydney Existing
EnergyAustralia Stadium 40,000 Newcastle Expansion/new
Skilled Park 40,000 Gold Coast Expansion
Canberra Stadium 40,000 Canberra Expansion
Diary farmers Stadium 35,000 after expansion
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Old February 17th, 2008, 01:52 AM   #3022
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I think the biggest problem for Australia is that FIFA is interested mostly in money and Australia would probably be the bid they get the least money from. The timezone is really bad for european TV and the market is limited because of the small population of the country. So the next time the WC is in 'Asia' I think China will host it. But I'd personally rather see it in Australia.

But it's great to see stadiums for soccer being built there. I was really surprised to see the attendances of the A-league, expected a lot less.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 05:59 AM   #3023
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It's not good for TV with North and South America either which could be another catch, although I was up at 5 am to watch some of the 2002 games, I doubt that too many did here in the US. And it would be right in the middle of the night in Europe. They'll probably get it but not till 2022 if not later.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 06:54 AM   #3024
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I never knew that Sydney's Telstra Stadium seated 83,000. Doesn't it fill up like, every Monday night for the rugby?
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Old February 17th, 2008, 08:00 AM   #3025
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MCG 100,000 Melbourne Existing
Telstra Stadium 83,500 Sydney Existing
Perth Stadium 60,000 Perth New
Suncorp Stadium 52,500 Brisbane Existing
Rectangular Stadium 50,000 Melbourne New second stadium in Melbourne, only one city can have two stadiums, and I still struggle to see how Melbourne tax-payers would be expected to pay for the upgrade to make the MRS more or less the same size as Telstra Dome
Adelaide Stadium 50,000 Adelaide New
Aussie Stadium 42,000 Sydney Existing second stadium in Sydney, only one city can have two stadiums
EnergyAustralia Stadium 40,000 Newcastle Expansion/new
Skilled Park 40,000 Gold Coast Expansion
Canberra Stadium 40,000 Canberra Expansion basically a new stadium
Diary farmers Stadium 35,000 after expansion in other words, too small
And as has been said on numerous occasions, the use of most of these venues would be dependent on other codes co-operating and closing down their season for two months (or finding alternate venues) as FIFA doesn't allow venues to be used for anything else prior to or during the finals.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 02:40 PM   #3026
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No roof? - and regarding that linky, he says it's based on Frankfurt's World Cup stadium, but it looks a lot more like Nurenburg's to me.

2018 - as has been said so many times, it's too soon. Aussie will possibly have the stadia to put in a minimum 8 site bid - minimum - whilst England, the USA, China, etc., will be able to put in bids with 12 stadiums.

2022 - competition will still be there from the losers of 2018, PLUS any African nation that feels capable of a bid (if South Africa pull it off, the odds of another African World Cup would go up).

Let's not forget that Australia is a small country (population) spread over a huge area, making it a logistical nightmare - and that as much as FIFA wants to 'spread the game', the joy of knocking rugby out of top place in a small country is way down the list of priorities when compared to cracking the Chinese market, or getting a larger share of the US market, etc.

Again, I HOPE Aussie can get it, but I don't BELIEVE Aussie can.
Get your facts straight rugby is nowhere near most popular sport in Australia, in fact it's the least popular.

In terms of attendances and ratings it's AFL, then cricket, then league then football then rugby last by a long way.

in terms of playing it's probably cricket then football then afl then tennis/swimming then league and rugby.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 10:57 PM   #3027
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And as has been said on numerous occasions, the use of most of these venues would be dependent on other codes co-operating and closing down their season for two months (or finding alternate venues) as FIFA doesn't allow venues to be used for anything else prior to or during the finals.
Do we have to go through this again?
Once again..the other codes do not own these stadiums and in most cases these stadiums are owned by the respective state government who will in fact be financially underwriting a World Cup!..

Thats said...How many venues are affected by the AFL...

MCG-Major AFL influence
Melbourne Rectangular stadium-Nil
Docklands Telstra Dome-Major AFL influence
ANZ Stadium-Minor AFL influence
Sydney Football Stadium-Nil
Suncorp Stadium -Nil
Gold Coast-Nil
Townsville-Nil
Canberra-Nil
Newcastle-Nil
New Adelaide Stadium-Nil
New Perth Stadium-Govt owned,but certainly major AFL influence

There You go..Just 2 Melbourne venues and Perth...
I cannot see the Victorian Government NOT using the MCG..BUT if it doesnt happen...the Melbourne would a city with one venue..the Rectangular Stadium

Perth...The WA government are spending nearly a Billion Dollars to provide Perth a new venue to attract big events away from the Eastern States..Here is a World Cup and WA will make sure they get some slice of it...

As for the NRL...We have discussed many times that especially in Sydney,the NRL have ample choice of alternate venues...and Brisbane can play for a few weeks at the GABBA or even back to their old home at QE2.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 10:14 AM   #3028
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Do we have to go through this again? do we have to, once again, go through the first rule of business - don't p*ss off your regular customers - in the case of most of these sports, the biggest client is NOT football - I sincerely hope your right and that the AFL, rugby, etc., will be happy to step aside (or be pushed to the side) for 2 months

Once again..the other codes do not own these stadiums and in most cases these stadiums are owned by the respective state government who will in fact be financially underwriting a World Cup!..

Thats said...How many venues are affected by the AFL...

MCG-Major AFL influence
Melbourne Rectangular stadium-Nil
Docklands Telstra Dome-Major AFL influence
ANZ Stadium-Minor AFL influence
Sydney Football Stadium-Nil
Suncorp Stadium -Nil
Gold Coast-Nil
Townsville-Nil
Canberra-Nil
Newcastle-Nil
New Adelaide Stadium-Nil
New Perth Stadium-Govt owned,but certainly major AFL influence

There You go..Just 2 Melbourne venues and Perth...
I cannot see the Victorian Government NOT using the MCG..BUT if it doesnt happen...the Melbourne would a city with one venue..the Rectangular Stadium

Perth...The WA government are spending nearly a Billion Dollars to provide Perth a new venue to attract big events away from the Eastern States..Here is a World Cup and WA will make sure they get some slice of it...

As for the NRL...We have discussed many times that especially in Sydney,the NRL have ample choice of alternate venues...and Brisbane can play for a few weeks at the GABBA or even back to their old home at QE2.
Hope so.

I've said several times on various forums (partly from a stadium greed thing) - that I'd love to see the Aussie Government (at Federal and State level), putting together a State Multi-Purpose Venue plan - which would involve building new venues in each state, with capacities varying between 40 and 70k seats (depending on location). This would, theoritically, provide new venues suitable for football/rugby/cricket/AFL in Geelong (as Melbourne is already sorted), Newcastle or Wollongong (as Sydney is sorted), Brisbane or Townsville, Canberra, Hobart, Adelaide, Perth (already in progress) and Darwin.

Get that sorted, to the benefit of all sports fans in Australia, rather than just the AFL or football or cricket, and we'd have a hell of a shot at a World Cup (assuming the hotel and transport issue is covered!!)
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Old February 18th, 2008, 10:17 AM   #3029
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I definitely hope that Australia formalises its bid, then the real World Cup rotation would be accomplished without being under that policy.
Only assuming that they actually win, AND that Central/North America gets 2022... And the chances of Europe missing out on 2010, 2014, 2018 AND 2022 is so miniscule that I wouldn't even dream about it.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 10:44 AM   #3030
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Australia will formally submit their bid to FIFA during the upcoming FIFA Congress in Sydney.
Im sure then,we will know what venues they propose..
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Old February 18th, 2008, 12:09 PM   #3031
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The candidates (according to german news)

-Belgium and the Netherlands
-Mexico
-USA
-England
-Russia
-China
-Japan
-Australia
-Spain
-Portugal


I would prefer
1. England or Spain
3. Australia
4. China
5. Russia
6. USA
7. Mexico
8. Portugal
9. Japan or Belgium and the Netherlands
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Hope so.

I've said several times on various forums (partly from a stadium greed thing) - that I'd love to see the Aussie Government (at Federal and State level), putting together a State Multi-Purpose Venue plan - which would involve building new venues in each state, with capacities varying between 40 and 70k seats (depending on location). This would, theoritically, provide new venues suitable for football/rugby/cricket/AFL in Geelong (as Melbourne is already sorted), Newcastle or Wollongong (as Sydney is sorted), Brisbane or Townsville, Canberra, Hobart, Adelaide, Perth (already in progress) and Darwin.

Get that sorted, to the benefit of all sports fans in Australia, rather than just the AFL or football or cricket, and we'd have a hell of a shot at a World Cup (assuming the hotel and transport issue is covered!!)
Certainly Brisbane doesn't need any new stadiums? It already has 2 great stadiums: Suncorp for rugby and football, and the Gabba for AFL/cricket.

Newcastle, Canberra and Townsville will do fine with an upgrade of their current stadiums to a 40/45k capacity. I'm sure Hobart and Darwin can't sustain a world-cup size stadium at the moment. Besides, these cities don't even have AFL teams, so there's no need for non-rectangular stadiums. The only city that really needs to come up with some new stadium is Adelaide, and apperantly they just have!

And as far as an Australia WC being a logistical nightmare: why exactly? I'm sure Australia's road network and public transport is better than that of South Africa and Brazil. Moreover, all cities are easily accessable by airplane. Sydney to Perth is what, a 4 or 5 hour flight? No problem there I think. And people go down under to travel all the time anyways .
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Old February 18th, 2008, 12:32 PM   #3033
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Japan?? Who are they kidding? They co-hosted in '02!!

P.S. I like the look of St. James Park in this render....
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Old February 18th, 2008, 12:43 PM   #3034
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LOL That's not St James but the project for refurbishment of New Romareda, Zaragoza (Spain)
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Ooops! My bad!! It could be done like that though.

P.S. I was wondering why the roof trusses were curved!
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Old February 18th, 2008, 03:09 PM   #3036
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The candidates (according to german news)

-Belgium and the Netherlands
-Mexico
-USA
-England
-Russia
-China
-Japan
-Australia
-Spain
-Portugal


I would prefer
1. England or Spain
3. Australia
4. China
5. Russia
6. USA
7. Mexico
8. Portugal
9. Japan or Belgium and the Netherlands
I read that also in german news, but it only said these countries showed interest to host it, so not all of them will probably officialy bid.
They also said that Spain and Portugal would host together.
I know most people from Spain are against it and think they could host it on their own. Well, they certainly could, but a joint bid with Portugal would have an amazig list of stadiums:

Camp Nou 104k
Bernabeu 80k
Nou Mestalla 75k
New Atletico Stadium 73k
Da Luz 66k
Expanded Sanchez Pizjuan 65k (?)
New San Mames 56k
Dragao 50k
Nueva Romareda 50k (?)

+maybe new or expanded stadiums in Mallorca, La Corua, Malaga
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Spain should bid alone.
Otherwise England should win
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Spain should bid alone.
Otherwise England should win
Spain should bid for Euro 2016
England should get WC2018: Football coming home.
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Spain should bid alone.
Otherwise England should win
Why don't you like joint bids?
Spain and Portugal would both qualify to 95% anyway.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 09:44 PM   #3040
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We will have elections in the Spanish federation soon and they said they won't decide anything about the bid until then. No idea if it will be a bid for Euro2016, WC2018 alone or WC2018 with Portugal, but I am pretty sure they will make at least one bid.

About bidding with Portugal, I am not sure. I read in the Portuguese subforum they wanted half of the host cities in the WC, and I guess most of the Spaniards would never accept that. We are 4.5 times larger in population and 5.5 in size, so in that scenario I would prefer to bid alone. Nevertheless, adding the best Portuguese stadiums to the ones projected in Spain would make it a stunning bid in terms of infraestucture.
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