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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old February 19th, 2008, 11:02 AM   #3041
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Why don't you like joint bids?
Spain and Portugal would both qualify to 95% anyway.
Because Spain can make it alone and should make it alone
They have got big stadiums and clubs who can fill it later
no, no no,
i want spain alone
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Old February 19th, 2008, 03:29 PM   #3042
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About bidding with Portugal, I am not sure. I read in the Portuguese subforum they wanted half of the host cities in the WC, and I guess most of the Spaniards would never accept that. We are 4.5 times larger in population and 5.5 in size, so in that scenario I would prefer to bid alone. Nevertheless, adding the best Portuguese stadiums to the ones projected in Spain would make it a stunning bid in terms of infraestucture.
The question is: do you know any joint bid competition where a country had more stadiums than the other? An Iberian World Cup where all the stadiums except two or three were in Spain would be a "Spain+Lisbon+Porto" one instead of a Portugal and Spain.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 04:49 PM   #3043
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February 18, 2008

Blatter said the joint bid of Netherlands-Belgium was the first to officially present it's 2018 candidacy to FIFA.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #3044
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The question is: do you know any joint bid competition where a country had more stadiums than the other? An Iberian World Cup where all the stadiums except two or three were in Spain would be a "Spain+Lisbon+Porto" one instead of a Portugal and Spain.
Yeah, but all those bids were between countries without so many size differences.

Spain is able to host the WC in its own, so I don't think it would be a good deal to have slightly more chances 'losing' half of the tournament.

Furthermore, if only 5 or 6 Spanish cities were selected to host matches, we would lose many interesting brand new stadiums with would surely be built if Spain bidded alone.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 06:30 PM   #3045
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Yeah, there are many proposed stadiums for in Spain
1. Barcelona 106.000
2+3. Madrid 80.000 and 73.000
4. Valencia 75.000
5. Seville +60.000 (but which one. Both will have a capacity of +60.000)
6. Bilbao 56.000
7. Zaragoza 40.000, but looks like it will be +50.000
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Well if they really bid together I really can't see Portugal getting more then 2 stadiums (Dragao and Da Luz). The only other bigger stadium is Alvalade but it's also in Lissabon and I'm sure Madrid (or maybe Sevilla) will get the two stadiums. After these 3 stadiums there is a huge gap and the other stadiums are already way too big for their clubs now.
If Portugal requests more than 2 stadiums then Spain should really try it alone.

Right now I think they have 'only' 7 very good stadiums or projects (the one sercan mentioned) but much can happen until 2018. Mallorca, La Coruña or Malaga could get a new stadium until then and other like Nueva Condomina in Murcia could be expanded to 40k+.
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Yeah, but all those bids were between countries without so many size differences.

Spain is able to host the WC in its own, so I don't think it would be a good deal to have slightly more chances 'losing' half of the tournament.
I do understand your point of view. I also agree that Spain could do it all alone. But I don't think that they want it. If Portugal wouldn't make this sugestion probably Spain would never bid for the World Cup.
I guess the truth beyond this bid is more economical: to do a great World Cup without spending a lot of money. See what I mean?
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Well if they really bid together I really can't see Portugal getting more then 2 stadiums (Dragao and Da Luz). The only other bigger stadium is Alvalade but it's also in Lissabon and I'm sure Madrid (or maybe Sevilla) will get the two stadiums. After these 3 stadiums there is a huge gap and the other stadiums are already way too big for their clubs now.
If Portugal requests more than 2 stadiums then Spain should really try it alone.

Right now I think they have 'only' 7 very good stadiums or projects (the one sercan mentioned) but much can happen until 2018. Mallorca, La Coruña or Malaga could get a new stadium until then and other like Nueva Condomina in Murcia could be expanded to 40k+.
Johannesburg will have two stadiums. Stade de France and Parc des Princes were almost in the same city. Yokohama and Saitama are almost Tokyo. So I don't see why Alvalade can't be a venue.

And Portugal could easily upgrade two stadiums to 40.000. I made a sugestion in the Portuguese Forum: to make stands in the Algarve Stadium like they had in the Sidney Olympics and in the 2002 World Cup in Kobe. Then they could remove it.

So that makes 5 stadiums.
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Only 1 city can have 2 stadiums and as I said in a joint bid of Portugal and Spain it would be Madrid and not Lissabon.
I really think Spain would rather bid alone than give 5 stadiums to Portugal.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 08:11 PM   #3050
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Johannesburg will have two stadiums. Stade de France and Parc des Princes were almost in the same city. Yokohama and Saitama are almost Tokyo. So I don't see why Alvalade can't be a venue.
Because Madrid (80.000 and 73.000) will be better than Lisbon (65.000 and 50.000)
Even Seville will be better (2x +60.000)
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I cannot see what 5 WC stadiums Portugal could offer. It would be:

- Lisboa (da Luz) 65,000

- Porto (Dragao) 50,000

- Aveiro 30,000

- Coimbra 30,000

- Algarve 30,000

No club out of Lisboa or Porto would need a +40,000 stadium so they would have to 'upgrade' 3 of them with stands.

It would be poor compared to what Spain could offer in its own. There are already 7 stadiums able to host a WC to be built (no matter if we get it or not) so it would be easy to see 3 new interesting projects if Spain finally gets it.

Spain+da Luz+Dragao could make sense for economical reasons (almost all the stadiums would be under construction or built), but I cannot see how 5 Portuguese cities could be a good host.
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So... the only country that can't have two stadiums in one city in a World Cup is Portugal? South Africa, France, Japan, England, Spain, etc. can... and Portugal can't? At least we're not a country where all the great stadiums are in just one city like others...
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Only one city can have 2 stadiums in a WC.

If Portugal bidded alone, there could be 2 stadiums in Lisbon.
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Only one city can have 2 stadiums in a WC.

If Portugal bidded alone, there could be 2 stadiums in Lisbon.
But if Spain has that many cities that could have a stadium why does Madrid need two?
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Sercan already explained it:

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Because Madrid (80.000 and 73.000) will be better than Lisbon (65.000 and 50.000)
Despite that it's the largest city.
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But that would clearly mean a separate Spanish bid. And if you really want that you must convince Villar... because he's not into it.

And let Sercan be alone... he wants three or four stadiums in Istanbul for Euro 2016 because there's nothing more in that country.
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Another thing: Portugal and Spain together would get all the votes from South America.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #3058
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But that would clearly mean a separate Spanish bid. And if you really want that you must convince Villar... because he's not into it.

And let Sercan be alone... he wants three or four stadiums in Istanbul for Euro 2016 because there's nothing more in that country.
Lol, i have never said something like that
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Lol, i have never said something like that
I was just teasing you.
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But i am very sad now

Does somebody know why Spain do not want bid alone?
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