daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Forums > Stadiums and Sport Arenas

Stadiums and Sport Arenas » Completed | Under Construction | Proposed | Demolished



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 2069. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools
Old May 9th, 2008, 03:48 AM   #3181
*England*
Who Dares Wins
 
*England*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Surrey
Posts: 329
Likes (Received): 0

all that means nothing when blatter and warner are in there
*England* no está en línea  

Sponsored Links
Old May 9th, 2008, 07:01 AM   #3182
krudmonk
sucks
 
krudmonk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Sannozay
Posts: 2,265
Likes (Received): 96

Quote:
Originally Posted by RobH View Post
I think most England 2018 supporters are more realistic though Krudmonk, especially after what happened with our 2006 bid so I resent your use of "The English" as if everyone has that attitude.
Well then I apologize. You'll likely get one soon anyway, since your stadium infrastructure is so good.
krudmonk no está en línea  
Old May 9th, 2008, 10:26 AM   #3183
RobH
Registered User
 
RobH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London-ish
Posts: 12,769
Likes (Received): 10325

Quote:
I dont think anyone here quite understands politics. England wont lose its second bid in 20 years to allow another European nation to host 2 world cups in a time span twice as short as Englands wait. The Football Association is to large to upset as is England footballing credentials as a whole. The amount of foreign investment, commercial deals is something FIFA cant turn down. England is the only other nation that can compete with Germany in football finances from a public point of view. England cannot lose.
And nor is it that simple. England has to put together a bid which says "we know you want to break into a new and emerging footballing market of 5 billion people but you should pick us instead because..."
RobH no está en línea  
Old May 11th, 2008, 04:11 AM   #3184
Gran Kanarya
Gran Kanarya
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Gran Kanarya
Posts: 40
Likes (Received): 0

2018 will definitely be in England, IMO it has nothing to do with 5 billion people it's all down to the combination of rotation of continents and the football packing order, when u consider these two the only option is England for 2018
__________________
Gran Kanarya
Gran Kanarya no está en línea  
Old May 11th, 2008, 10:08 AM   #3185
MoreOrLess
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,239
Likes (Received): 228

The main reason they'd pick England is IMHO simpley money, ticket prices are high and stadiums are large with alot of luxury seating.
MoreOrLess no está en línea  
Old May 11th, 2008, 01:32 PM   #3186
Wezza
©
 
Wezza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Townsville
Posts: 8,861
Likes (Received): 968

Just a question, if England get 2018, will they have to modify some of the stadiums i.e. Old Trafford etc with it's seating so close to the pitch? The reason i ask is because when CL matches are played in stadiums like Old Trafford, Anfield & Stamford Bridge, they have to leave the first few rows of seats free.
Wezza no está en línea  
Old May 11th, 2008, 09:17 PM   #3187
EPA001
Registered User
 
EPA001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Rotterdam metropolitan area
Posts: 28,733
Likes (Received): 5605

They can do the same if England is awarded the WC-2018 bid. No need to modify the stadiums for it. Maybe the seats need a replacement, but I am not sure about that.

I state this since Borussia Dortmund enlarged their Westfalen stadium (now Signal Iduna Park) to 83.600 capacity (seats and terraces to stand on, 68.700 as a full seater) only shortly before the WC-2006. Than a FIFA inspection came and all the seats needed replacement because they were not uo to the standards, i.e. they were too small. As a result of the new seats the capacity lowered to about 65.700 seats or 80.708 incuding terraces.

I do not know how spacious or cramped up the seats at i.e. Old Trafford or other English stadiums are. Maybe they do not need any modifications, maybe they do! It is up to FIFA to decide this. And remember that the current FIFA regulations could easily change. So what is OK now could be obsolete in a few years time.
EPA001 no está en línea  
Old May 11th, 2008, 09:31 PM   #3188
Mo Rush
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 28,964
Likes (Received): 74

Quote:
Originally Posted by EPA001 View Post
They can do the same if England is awarded the WC-2018 bid. No need to modify the stadiums for it. Maybe the seats need a replacement, but I am not sure about that.

I state this since Borussia Dortmund enlarged their Westfalen stadium (now Signal Iduna Park) to 83.600 capacity (seats and terraces to stand on, 68.700 as a full seater) only shortly before the WC-2006. Than a FIFA inspection came and all the seats needed replacement because they were not uo to the standards, i.e. they were too small. As a result of the new seats the capacity lowered to about 65.700 seats or 80.708 incuding terraces.

I do not know how spacious or cramped up the seats at i.e. Old Trafford or other English stadiums are. Maybe they do not need any modifications, maybe they do! It is up to FIFA to decide this. And remember that the current FIFA regulations could easily change. So what is OK now could be obsolete in a few years time.
FIFA standards are changing all the time.
wrt to south africa 2010, the stadium completion dates have been moved earlier..and a completion deadline has been placed on venues for confederations cup venues which was not there when germany hosted in 2005 (waldstadion was completed on the opening day of the confed cup).

I don't think England would face issues. All stadia need upgrades in some way before a world cup and seats/spaces for media/vip are all just part of the process of bringing venues up to world cup standards.

i do however think there will be some suprises about which venues eventually get selected if FIFA awards 2018 to england.
Mo Rush no está en línea  
Old May 11th, 2008, 11:24 PM   #3189
MoreOrLess
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,239
Likes (Received): 228

While I'm sure I'll have my head bitten off by the nationalist crowd again I still think its very likey the Millenium stadium will be used, possible Hamden/Ibrox aswell. As long as the Welsh and the Scots are not actual co hosts I don't think FIFA would have much problem with them hosting a few games and it would be a politically popular move.
MoreOrLess no está en línea  
Old May 11th, 2008, 11:57 PM   #3190
EPA001
Registered User
 
EPA001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Rotterdam metropolitan area
Posts: 28,733
Likes (Received): 5605

That would be nice gesture to Wales and Scotland. And they are nice stadiums as are Hampdon Park and Park Head from Celtic.
EPA001 no está en línea  
Old May 12th, 2008, 09:02 AM   #3191
Benjuk
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 920
Likes (Received): 2

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo Rush View Post
FIFA standards are changing all the time.
wrt to south africa 2010, the stadium completion dates have been moved earlier..and a completion deadline has been placed on venues for confederations cup venues which was not there when germany hosted in 2005 (waldstadion was completed on the opening day of the confed cup).

I don't think England would face issues. All stadia need upgrades in some way before a world cup and seats/spaces for media/vip are all just part of the process of bringing venues up to world cup standards.

i do however think there will be some suprises about which venues eventually get selected if FIFA awards 2018 to england.
An interesting point, which not many of us have touched on... At the moment one of the strongest elements of England's bid for 2018 would be that within a few years we will have the required stadia without the need for any additional work... FIFA could throw a stick in the spokes if they were to suddenly decide that the requirement is 8 x 60k stadia, rather than 8 x 40 (inc 2 x 60, etc.). I wouldn't put it beyond FIFA if they wanted a way to steer things away from England.
Benjuk no está en línea  
Old May 12th, 2008, 10:39 AM   #3192
RobH
Registered User
 
RobH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London-ish
Posts: 12,769
Likes (Received): 10325

And what country could possibly provide that other than the USA or a China willing to spend untold billions? Nah, FIFA may have some weird ideas at times but that's not going to happen Ben!
RobH no está en línea  
Old May 12th, 2008, 11:12 AM   #3193
MoreOrLess
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,239
Likes (Received): 228

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjuk View Post
An interesting point, which not many of us have touched on... At the moment one of the strongest elements of England's bid for 2018 would be that within a few years we will have the required stadia without the need for any additional work... FIFA could throw a stick in the spokes if they were to suddenly decide that the requirement is 8 x 60k stadia, rather than 8 x 40 (inc 2 x 60, etc.). I wouldn't put it beyond FIFA if they wanted a way to steer things away from England.
I don't think a minimum 60K capacity would be a problem personally, Wembley, the Emirates and Old Trafford already have it, Liverpool and Newcastle seem very likey to have it, Sunderland and Villa could likey achieve it with redevolpment and you've got alot of teams who may well be in a position where they're after a stadium that size anyway(Sheffield Weds, Leeds, Everton). With a bit of goverment cash I think you could see alot happen very quickly.
MoreOrLess no está en línea  
Old May 12th, 2008, 11:18 AM   #3194
Ribarca
Registered User
 
Ribarca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 6,605
Likes (Received): 3268

I agree with Blatter, Spain will be able to generare a great WC. The attendance will be the biggest and the tourist infrastructure is top notch.
__________________
Drive away these people, Who are so conceited and so contemptuous.


Hong Kong by Xavibarca, www.xavibarca.com
Ribarca no está en línea  
Old May 12th, 2008, 11:40 AM   #3195
Flogging Molly
BANNED
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 3,495
Likes (Received): 3

Umm since when did Blatter single out Spain? or Is that because you are spanish? Blatter will be in a mental asylum come 2018 anyway!
Flogging Molly no está en línea  
Old May 12th, 2008, 05:12 PM   #3196
EPA001
Registered User
 
EPA001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Rotterdam metropolitan area
Posts: 28,733
Likes (Received): 5605

That comment is rubbish! Spain definately stands a chance as I pointed out some days ago. (see below!). I still think England to be the favourites for the WC 2018, but Spain has way better chances then regarding them as outsiders!

And that has nothing to do with Sepp Blattler.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EPA001 View Post
Because do not rule out Spain. Also they hosted only once in 1982. In their favor counts that their stadium infrastructure is equally good as Englands, also many new big stadiums are being built, renovated and expanded (i.e. Zaragoza, Bilbao, Sevilla, Valencia, Barcelona, Madrid). And Spain has lots of Hotel capacity and have invested heavily on a terrific infrastructure. Big improvements in roads, high speed rail and airports (definately much more than England has done) are big assets. And the good weather in Spain, the sunny pictures that will appeal to the public, are also plus points for Spain.
EPA001 no está en línea  
Old May 13th, 2008, 12:04 AM   #3197
RobH
Registered User
 
RobH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London-ish
Posts: 12,769
Likes (Received): 10325

Is Spain even bidding??
RobH no está en línea  
Old May 13th, 2008, 12:12 AM   #3198
EPA001
Registered User
 
EPA001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Rotterdam metropolitan area
Posts: 28,733
Likes (Received): 5605

They have not yet. But Sepp Blattler urged them to do so, so they just might do this. That is debated in this thread now. And personally I think a possible bid by the Spanish FA would be a serious competitor to the English bid. Both stand a good chance of getting the tournament although I would be (just a bit) happier if England were to get to host the WC-2018.

Last edited by EPA001; May 13th, 2008 at 12:37 AM.
EPA001 no está en línea  
Old May 13th, 2008, 01:57 AM   #3199
Mo Rush
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 28,964
Likes (Received): 74

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjuk View Post
An interesting point, which not many of us have touched on... At the moment one of the strongest elements of England's bid for 2018 would be that within a few years we will have the required stadia without the need for any additional work... FIFA could throw a stick in the spokes if they were to suddenly decide that the requirement is 8 x 60k stadia, rather than 8 x 40 (inc 2 x 60, etc.). I wouldn't put it beyond FIFA if they wanted a way to steer things away from England.
assumming all host cities are capable, then the shortlist of host cities(if any) would come down to capacity. sa has the highest average venue capacity since USA, dont see why england cant have a very high average venue capacity. dont see an issue with ticket sales.

still cant touch our 96000 seater for SA 2010. the largest since 1986.
Mo Rush no está en línea  
Old May 13th, 2008, 06:32 PM   #3200
Weebie
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 227
Likes (Received): 5

It will go to Asia.

Too much money, power and the way they will see it as its been 16 years since it was last in asia.

They will demand it and get it.....With the likely winner China
Weebie no está en línea  


Closed Thread

Tags
australia, united states of america, world cup

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:40 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu