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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old May 19th, 2008, 01:36 PM   #3261
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That stadium in Portsmouth isnt being built there now, its being built further to the north, still with 36k capacity but with the ability to be expanded for the WC.

Here is what I would present as an English World Cup for 2018 providing a nice Geographical spread. I would go with 12 stadiums over 11 cities though.

London:

Wembley Stadium - 90000
Emirates Stadium - 60000

Manchester:

Old Trafford - 96000 (expanded from 76000 with new South Stand)

Liverpool:

Stanley Park - 71000 (new stadium for Liverpool FC; approved)

Newcastle:

St.James Park - 60000 (new tier on Gallowgate stand to expand from 52000)

Sunderland:

The Stadium of Light - 61000 (new tiers on East and South stands to expand from 49000; approved)

Leeds:

New stadium for Leeds Utd - 50000 (current Elland Road 40000 seats)

Sheffield:

Bramall Lane - 42000 (expanded Kop and Main stand to expand from 33000)

Nottingham:

New Forest Stadium - 45000 (current City Ground 31000)

Birmingham:

Villa Park - 51000 (new North Stand to expand from 43000)

Bristol:

New Bristol City ground - 42000 (expansion of Bristol City's new stadium with additional tier from 30000)

Portsmouth:

New Stadium - 42000 (temporary expansion of new stadium from 36000)

Reserve stadiums to include:

City of Manchester Stadium - 48000
Everton Kirkby Stadium - 55000
Riverside Stadium - 35000
KC Stadium - 25000
Pride Park - 34000
Hillsborough - 39000
Molineux - 28000
Walkers Stadium - 33000
Ricoh Stadium - 31000
Ewood Park - 33000
Carrow Road - 26000
St.Marys - 32000
Madjeski Stadium - 25000
New White Hart Lane - 50000
Stamford Bridge - 42000
New West Ham - 60000
Stadium:MK - 32000
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Old May 19th, 2008, 02:05 PM   #3262
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Bwoah, that´s a design with balls. How serious are the planns of Portsmouth?
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Old May 19th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #3263
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That stadium in Portsmouth isnt being built there now, its being built further to the north, still with 36k capacity but with the ability to be expanded for the WC.

Here is what I would present as an English World Cup for 2018 providing a nice Geographical spread. I would go with 12 stadiums over 11 cities though.

London:

Wembley Stadium - 90000
Emirates Stadium - 60000

Manchester:

Old Trafford - 96000 (expanded from 76000 with new South Stand)

Liverpool:

Stanley Park - 71000 (new stadium for Liverpool FC; approved)approved at 60000, not sure how soon they will be able to get permission to go up to 71000, but 60000 should do

Newcastle:

St.James Park - 60000 (new tier on Gallowgate stand to expand from 52000) it's a nightmare puzzle that hasn't been solved yet - pipe dream at best

Sunderland:

The Stadium of Light - 61000 (new tiers on East and South stands to expand from 49000; approved) will only happen if we have huge on pitch success over the next 5 or 6 years

Leeds:

New stadium for Leeds Utd - 50000 (current Elland Road 40000 seats) again, will only happen if they have tremendous success - (a) they would need to win the play-offs, THEN get promoted again within 2 or 3 years, and (b) they'll find it incredibly hard to get enough credit together to build a stadium as they've done two massive credit write-offs in the last 4 years

Sheffield:

Bramall Lane - 42000 (expanded Kop and Main stand to expand from 33000) of all the pipe-dreams suggested for 2018, this is the only one I'd put 'public' money into. Bramall Lane is the oldest stadium that has been in continuous use for football in the world - would be a great element to the bid

Nottingham:

New Forest Stadium - 45000 (current City Ground 31000)

Birmingham:

Villa Park - 51000 (new North Stand to expand from 43000)

Bristol:

New Bristol City ground - 42000 (expansion of Bristol City's new stadium with additional tier from 30000) again, have to hope City go up this season, then stay up next year

Portsmouth:

New Stadium - 42000 (temporary expansion of new stadium from 36000)

Reserve stadiums to include:

City of Manchester Stadium - 48000
Everton Kirkby Stadium - 55000
Riverside Stadium - 35000
KC Stadium - 25000
Pride Park - 34000
Hillsborough - 39000
Molineux - 28000
Walkers Stadium - 33000
Ricoh Stadium - 31000
Ewood Park - 33000
Carrow Road - 26000
I'd like to see a new stadium in East Anglia, whether in Norwich or Ipswich, to allow a true georgraphic spread around the country. I think Norwich could possibly justify one if they could get back into the Prem.

St.Marys - 32000
Madjeski Stadium - 25000
New White Hart Lane - 50000
Stamford Bridge - 42000
New West Ham - 60000
Stadium:MK - 32000
It'll be very interesting to see what happens in the Premier League over the next few seasons - because the location of major new stadiums is highly dependant on who's up and who's not.

Certainly, if Nott'm Forest, Norwich, Bristol City, Sheff Utd and Leeds could all get into the top league (at the expense of Fulham, Bolton, Wigan, Middlesbro, and West Brom), then the geographic spread of potentially well supported Prem clubs with good facilities, or the need for new stadia would be much better.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 02:33 PM   #3264
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There will only be 10 host cities and 11 stadiums that will be used.

Its just a shame Wolverhampton is such a dive otherwise I think New Molineux could've been a serious contender to host games in the West Midlands. All 4 major stadiums in and aorund Birmingham/Wolverhampton have plans to enlarge. Seems The most advanced though are both Villa and Wolves now Birmingham City are in turmoil but that should'nt last long as they hope to have the city of Brum stadium built within the next 8 years to host the World Athletic Championships and to help it in its bid for the Commonwealth Games.

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Old May 19th, 2008, 07:39 PM   #3265
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The violence from after the UEFA Cup final proved yet again in the UK that fans there simply cannot be trusted.

What is wrong with people over there? Supposedly they are 'adults' and they behave like psychopaths. Why don't they join the armed forces or play contact sports if they want to fight. I guarentee most of those fans one on one would be gutless ******s in fights.

No chance the World Cup should be entrusted to Britain.
do you even know what you are talking about? Its an English bid not a Scottish one or a UK one for that matter seems like you are rather dim so i'd explain to you that England and Scotland in footballing terms are seperate entities, please use your brain in the future thank you. (btw majority of Rangers fans were great)

On another not the EPL is one of the best policed league in the world. Especially when compared to Italy, Turkey, Spain etc. you aren't even able to get flares into the Stadia in England unlike other countries. there is hardly any problems outside or inside the stadiums nowadays. EPL is tame compared to other european and world leagues. when you look around Europe and the world) its shocking the amount of violence(people getting killed) AND racism that is rife. The FA of England has done wonders in turning things around, it seems like the only association that takes things seriously. the others should take these things seriously and also improve. There is a reason why other countries seek advice from the British Authorities as they do a great job.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 06:33 AM   #3266
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There will only be 10 host cities and 11 stadiums that will be used.
The essense of a great bid is to exceed the minimum requirements - in stadium terms, you present FIFA with 14 stadiums and say 'pick the ones YOU like'.

Personally, if it was 11 from 10 cities, and assuming the various clubs had the need for the stadia (see the above comments on promotion and survival in the Prem), I'd go for:

London (2)

Manchester

Liverpool

Newcastle or Sunderland

Birmingham

Nottingham or Derby

Norwich

Portsmouth

Bristol

Leeds or Sheffield
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Old May 20th, 2008, 06:49 AM   #3267
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'It Ail Shite', you quote some of the most extreme places. Who said anything about playing the World Cup in Italy, Turkey or Spain?

In England you have crowd 'issues' every weekend. It just does not get reported. I lived in your country and saw it all firsthand every weekend down Fulham Broadway.

If you want to have to deal with moronic drunkards fighting then sure go and stage it in England. Most Brits couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag and need a bucket load of booze to get their courage up.

It will be interesting to see how to go over in Russia, the 'born to rule' mentality will get you a long way over there!
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Old May 20th, 2008, 07:08 AM   #3268
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Tough talking Aussie eh Bob?
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Old May 20th, 2008, 07:54 AM   #3269
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England 2018!

With the 2012 Olympics and 2014 Commonwealth Games................. it could be one epic decade for us!
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Old May 20th, 2008, 08:42 AM   #3270
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The Australian national team don't seem concerned by the risk of trouble when they play over here(quite often these days). Neither their fans. I know a fair few of them who go to these games. Even when they play England no problems at all. In fact they usually chose to play in the area where BobDaBuilder apparently lived. BobDaBuilder is being a drama queen.
Maybe he just needs reassuring that there is absolutely no chance of Australia or anyone else having to play Rangers.

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Old May 20th, 2008, 08:58 AM   #3271
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We call our football team the 'Socceroos' actually. Never heard it called the Australian Football Team. That would imply that our football is played internationally.

England is too risky a place to have the World Cup because you cannot keep all the villains away if you stage it in their backyards. It is like an open invitation to all known troublemakers.

Also your hotels and transport infrastructure is laughable and over-priced. What does it cost, something like $120 USD just to take the train to the next city? The standard of hotels in England is shameful. Fawlty Towers is not a comedy but a documentary!

The only reason FIFA would go to England is to make shed loads of cash. And they manage to rub up FIFA so wouldn't bet on it. There is a lot of water to go under the bridge yet. Hopefully sanity will prevail. Also, what makes the English think they would be worthy hosts in any case? You might not qualify for the World Cup for a while yet. All you players are all prima donas who don't give a **** about anything but money.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:04 AM   #3272
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We call our football team the 'Socceroos' actually. Never heard it called the Australian Football Team. That would imply that our football is played internationally.
I don't care what you call them. The Socceroos are a football team so to describe them as such is correct. Particularly in this context.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 10:33 AM   #3273
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The only reason FIFA would go to England is to make shed loads of cash.
And the only reason FIFA would choose Australia is to top up their tans.

See, it's easy being fecitious but when you're presented with statisitcs you completely ignore them and begin being a troll again.

Eejit.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 10:41 AM   #3274
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...England is too risky a place to have the World Cup because you cannot keep all the villains away if you stage it in their backyards. It is like an open invitation to all known troublemakers...
That's right Bob, and when we catch the afore mentioned villans we send them off to the colonies like...oh, Australia!

To all normal Aussies that was intended as a joke, but what do you expect in reply Bob when you make such crass statements to begin with.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 10:53 AM   #3275
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We call our football team the 'Socceroos' actually. Never heard it called the Australian Football Team. That would imply that our football is played internationally.

England is too risky a place to have the World Cup because you cannot keep all the villains away if you stage it in their backyards. It is like an open invitation to all known troublemakers.

Also your hotels and transport infrastructure is laughable and over-priced. What does it cost, something like $120 USD just to take the train to the next city? The standard of hotels in England is shameful. Fawlty Towers is not a comedy but a documentary!

The only reason FIFA would go to England is to make shed loads of cash. And they manage to rub up FIFA so wouldn't bet on it. There is a lot of water to go under the bridge yet. Hopefully sanity will prevail. Also, what makes the English think they would be worthy hosts in any case? You might not qualify for the World Cup for a while yet. All you players are all prima donas who don't give a **** about anything but money.
Dunno where you're coming from? You're either just a troll, or you're seriously deluded!?! Anyways, England holds major sporting events all the time. Just last weekend 100,000 English and Welsh fans converged on London for the FA Cup, it was a huge success!!

As for your comments on infrastructure? Well, at least Britain has transport infrastructure. But seriously, Britain's transport infrastructure is light years ahed of Australia's. I know as I've been all over Australia and there's no comparison.

England will have first-class facilities, both on and off the field, that Australia couldn't hope to match. FACT!
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Old May 20th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #3276
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Stop making us look bad Bob.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 01:08 PM   #3277
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'It Ail Shite', you quote some of the most extreme places. Who said anything about playing the World Cup in Italy, Turkey or Spain?

In England you have crowd 'issues' every weekend. It just does not get reported. I lived in your country and saw it all firsthand every weekend down Fulham Broadway.

If you want to have to deal with moronic drunkards fighting then sure go and stage it in England. Most Brits couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag and need a bucket load of booze to get their courage up.

It will be interesting to see how to go over in Russia, the 'born to rule' mentality will get you a long way over there!
Euro 96?

Which supporters have been praised for having the best support the last two major tournmanets they've been involved in? Portugal and in Germany! And what nation got that credit in 2002. Ireland. Two countries that have had many new legislations inflictyed to stop trouble at football matches. Its fine makeing stereotypes to suit your arguments, but theres alot of difference from the past and the new.

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As Euro96 was held in England it was though that hooliganism would be a major problem and would cause disruption to the tournament. The National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS) planned the policing of the competition for two years under the leadership of the Football section. In order to ensure hooligan problems would be kept a minimum, NCIS consulted a number of police forces in places where tournaments had already been held, including Italy Sweden and the USA. The policing effort was based in a central control room in New Scotland Yard. From here it was possible to contact police forces around the country at the various different stadia. The centre was manned by officers who were considered experts on hooliganism from around Britain. There were also liaison officers from each of the participating countries who had experience of hooliganism in their own countries. It was thought before Euro96 that there would be serious trouble between hooligans from different countries. Press reports before the tournament said that large numbers of hooligans would be attending, including up to 1000 from Germany. However, violence was kept to a minimum. The threat of large numbers of hooligans destroying the major cities of England never materialised. There was only a small amount of violence after England's semi-final defeat when there was some rioting in Trafalgar Square but this was nothing like the scale of violence that had been expected by the press.
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Disappointed England fans will head home from the World Cup with praise for their "perfect" behaviour during the tournament, and their reputation largely restored.
Japanese authorities had prepared themselves for the worst following trouble at France '98, but their fears proved groundless.


Lennart Johansson, chairman of the World Cup organising committee, said: "On behalf of Fifa I would like to compliment the English fans for their behaviour, not just last night but through this whole World Cup.

"We always hear loudly enough when fans do not behave so let's make plenty of noise this time that their behaviour has been perfect.


" Thank you to those fans who have re-asserted the positive image of our game "
Fifa's Lennart Johansson



"They showed that real football fans know how to enjoy the game, support their team, celebrate when they win and take defeat when they lose.


"They also showed that problems caused at some matches are caused not by fans, but by troublemakers who are not interested in the game itself but just want to give a bad reputation to the genuine football lovers."
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The Daily Telegraph, of all people, picked up the same theme. 'At least England's fans played a blinder', ran its headline. And World Cup spokesman Gerd Graus was in no doubt that 'The English fans are the world champions of partying. They created a great atmosphere; they have a fan culture unique in the world.' Amid such a huge number of England supporters in Germany - 100,000 were reckoned to be in Gelsenkirchen to watch David Beckham and his team-mates complete their hat-trick of last eight failures - the few arrests among them were 'statistically irrelevant', said Graus.

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Old May 20th, 2008, 03:20 PM   #3278
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One problem I can see with Englands bid is that many of the existing stadium (and ones planned to be redeveloped) are in very tight inner city locations.

World Cup matches demand so much space for all the promotion/advertising activites and wider FIFA community. Stadiums I'm particularly thinking of are:

Old Trafford (Manchester)
Villa Park (Birmingham)
Stamford Bridge (London/Chelsea)
St James Park (Newcastle)
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'It Ail Shite', you quote some of the most extreme places. Who said anything about playing the World Cup in Italy, Turkey or Spain?

In England you have crowd 'issues' every weekend. It just does not get reported. I lived in your country and saw it all firsthand every weekend down Fulham Broadway.

If you want to have to deal with moronic drunkards fighting then sure go and stage it in England. Most Brits couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag and need a bucket load of booze to get their courage up.

It will be interesting to see how to go over in Russia, the 'born to rule' mentality will get you a long way over there!
someone looks like they have that little inferiority complex, here i'll pet you

You really do sound clueless and moronic go on now, dig yourself deeper into the ground

if you shout louder maybe people will listen to you...
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if you shout louder maybe people will listen to you...
Its unlikely though isn't it.
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