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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old May 26th, 2008, 01:22 PM   #3341
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Hasn't the south Stand extension got planning permission in the last year & that area around has plans for redevelopment so I see no reason why it cant be built.
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Old May 26th, 2008, 03:00 PM   #3342
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Hasn't the south Stand extension got planning permission in the last year & that area around has plans for redevelopment so I see no reason why it cant be built.
No planning permission has been applied for. The club announced plans to extend (coincidentally on the same weekend that their local rivals went top of their league) and grabbed the back pages... Since then they have been silent about all plans. It is, to date, the only time I can recall a club announcing a stadium expansion without having a single model or render to demonstrate what the venue would look like.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 12:15 AM   #3343
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align awarding the hosting rights to both the 2018 and 2022 World Cups on the same date – a decision due in June 2011.
probably because blatter and warner dont see themselves there much past 2011 so want to cash in on 2 bids for their retirement!
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Old May 27th, 2008, 05:29 AM   #3344
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probably because blatter and warner dont see themselves there much past 2011 so want to cash in on 2 bids for their retirement!
Good call.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 06:13 AM   #3345
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Dont want to burst the USA's bubble but they wont be getting a world cup any time soon. Their stadiums are still stuck in a previous era and the power of the world is kinda shifting to the east. USA doesnt mean big revenue since WC 2010 will be the biggest earner ever for Fifa( Fact not my opinion ). Stadia is not about size or numbers but quality and atmosfere. It will be between Spain and England 2018 and probably China Australia 2022. USA might get a chance in 2022 but Fifa wants to grow the game and having one in the USA is a waste ( soccer and rugby is doomed in the US because of US culture nothing else and that wont change in the next 20 years)
You are clearly ignorant of the ability for the US to host a World Cup.

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Their stadiums are still stuck in a previous era and the power of the world is kinda shifting to the east.


Well i dont even know what you mean by that. The NFL stadiums (which will be the ones used for sure) collectively are the most modern of any league in the world. A WC match in the US wouldnt be played in a stadium older that 1996 IMO.

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USA doesnt mean big revenue since WC 2010 will be the biggest earner ever for Fifa( Fact not my opinion ).
You need to do your research. All that needs to be said is that the US has more, larger stadiums than SA does. Higher capacity, larger revenues. Throw in the fact that games are going to have crazy ticket prices that are only found here in the states, and the larger economy in general, and you have a pretty successful WC.

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Stadia is not about size or numbers but quality and atmosfere.
I think you really underestimate the fan base here in the US. Maybe where you live everyone thinks that we only care about American football, but dont forget we have the worlds best basketball and hockey leagues. The average American can juggle more than one sport at a time. What makes you think that Americans wont care about soccer. Trust me, they will come out in numbers.

I think you need to get off you anti-American biases here.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 10:34 AM   #3346
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Seriously. The 1994 World Cup still holds the record for total attendance, despite only have 24 teams while the next 3 WCs ('98, '02, '06) had 32 and have been unable to beat the record.

I doubt SA comes close to the record, and a new WC in the USA will SHATTER the record.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 10:53 AM   #3347
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I do not have a problem with US organising it again. I think they did a great job with impressive stadiums. Only I think 2018 or 2022 comes to early. Other countries should deserve a chance first, but thatīs my only objection.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 01:58 PM   #3348
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I do not have a problem with US organising it again. I think they did a great job with impressive stadiums. Only I think 2018 or 2022 comes to early. Other countries should deserve a chance first, but thatīs my only objection.
I strongly feel that it's going to be Europe 2018, Asia 2022, Americas 2026 - that would put USA in prime position for a 2nd finals tournament in 2026.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 10:38 AM   #3349
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i dunno, i think the 2022 will be going to the US...FIFA's not going to turn down a money making machine like the United States for an Asian bid.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 11:41 AM   #3350
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WC 2018 -> England or Spain, 2022 -> China, 2026 -> Turkey or Russia
Euro 2016 -> Turkey, 2020 -> Russia, 2024 -> Italy
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Old May 28th, 2008, 12:20 PM   #3351
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WC 2018 -> England or Spain, 2022 -> China, 2026 -> Turkey or Russia
Euro 2016 -> Turkey, 2020 -> Russia, 2024 -> Italy
If England or Spain gets 2018, Turkey or Russia aren't even allowed to bid until 2030.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 12:21 PM   #3352
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i dunno, i think the 2022 will be going to the US...FIFA's not going to turn down a money making machine like the United States for an Asian bid.
They turned down the money making machine for 2010 and 2014... Why not for 2018 and 2022..?
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Old May 28th, 2008, 01:08 PM   #3353
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If England or Spain gets 2018, Turkey or Russia aren't even allowed to bid until 2030.
Thanks for pointing out what I'm mistaken for. Once a confederation hosts a WC it's ineligible for the next two WC bids.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 01:17 PM   #3354
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Reflecting the revised WC hosting policy,

WC 2018 -> England or Spain, 2022 -> China, 2026 -> Egypt, 2030 -> Turkey or Russia
Euro 2016 -> Turkey, 2020 -> Russia, 2024 -> Italy
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Old May 28th, 2008, 01:19 PM   #3355
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You forgot the Netherlands/Belgium bid for the WC-2018! (Outsiders, I know, but not without a chance).
And somewhere along the line I would expect the USA to qualify for winning a bid!
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Old May 28th, 2008, 01:22 PM   #3356
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Pardon my ignorance with all matters concerning this illustrious competition however IMO if the WORLD CUP is to be really considered as such then I think it's a lame excuse to always award it to much larger nations in the northern hemisphere purely because eg. Australia is considered to be too far and not in keeping with the optimum time zone.
Like I said I'm not up with the politics of the decision making on who gets the nod but it seems very political and very biased.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 01:26 PM   #3357
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You forgot the Netherlands/Belgium bid for the WC-2018! (Outsiders, I know, but not without a chance).
And somewhere along the line I would expect the USA to qualify for winning a bid!
I know Benelux joint bids for WC 2018 but FIFA seems to be negative to co-hosting WC since 2002 Korea-Japan World cup and they face so many and so fierce competitions in WC 2018 bids.

To be frank I "hope" them to win the bid for 2018 WC, though I don't "expect" so But the US World cup is the last thing I want to see in the future. Sorry not to agree with you in that point

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Old May 28th, 2008, 01:36 PM   #3358
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Well, Netherlands and Belgium visited FIFA and Blattler already a couple of times. He is supportive of their bid, as he is supportive of any other bid that comes in at FIFA offices. But the principle of two countries hosting is not a real problem to FIFA. If certain conditions are met, FIFA has no objections.

No offence to any of the Korean or Japanese members around here, but I posted the below displayed post earlier about the WC-2002 where also two countries hosted the event. That situation is what FIFA will avoid in the future.

A complicating fact for those two countries was the Geography. They are not directly bordering countries, but they are devided by a vast amount of water. Netherlands and Belgium are directly bordered to each other, as are Spain and Portugal for that matter.

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Now on the other matter of two organizing countries:

As long as it is one organizing committee, FIFA has no problems with two (smaller) countries organizing a single WC tournament. FIFA was just very unhappy about the WC 2002 which basically were two tournements in one WC.

Two countries, not really connected, two organizing committees, two identies, two styles, it just did not feel as one WC tournament. FIFA will make sure that such a thing will not happen again. The Netherlands and Belgium have proven already they can organize a great tournament as one entity with one identity. They showed this perfectly with the Euro 2000 tournament which impressed UEFA and FIFA for that matter.

Now despite all the beautiful plans, and despite the thought that I am sure the WC 2018 will be hosted in Europe, I think England stands the best chances for the WC 2018, but Spain is only just behind them. The Netherlands-Belgium bid is to me the outsider one at best, but it is not without a chance. If it comes to them many preparations would have been done already.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 01:44 PM   #3359
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Well, Netherlands and Belgium visited FIFA and Blattler already a couple of times. He is supportive of their bid, as he is supportive of any other bid that comes in at FIFA offices. But the principle of two countries hosting is not a real problem to FIFA. If certain conditions are met, FIFA has no objections.

No offence to any of the Korean or Japanese members around here, but I posted the below displayed post earlier about the WC-2002 where also two countries hosted the event. That situation is what FIFA will avoid in the future.

A complicating fact for those two countries was the Geography. They are not directly bordering countries, but they are devided by a vast amount of water. Netherlands and Belgium are directly bordered to each other, as are Spain and Portugal for that matter.
well netherlands belgium is easier than two african countries with poor infrastructure wanting to co-host.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 03:07 PM   #3360
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Pardon my ignorance with all matters concerning this illustrious competition however IMO if the WORLD CUP is to be really considered as such then I think it's a lame excuse to always award it to much larger nations in the northern hemisphere purely because eg. Australia is considered to be too far and not in keeping with the optimum time zone.
Like I said I'm not up with the politics of the decision making on who gets the nod but it seems very political and very biased.
"lame excuse to always award it to much larger nations in the northern hemisphere"

Next two world cups are in South Africa and Brazil, both southern hemisphere.

As for the 'larger nations' part, forgetting all of the transport, hotel, etc., issues, on a pure stadia basis, in order to host the finals you must have a minimum of 8 stadia (1x80k + 1x60k + 6 x 40k, all seater) spread over 7 locations. Not many 'smaller nations' can fulfill that requirement.

Time zone and distance are additional problems for a bid to host the WC here... More important are the lack of adequate hotel, transport and stadium infrastructure, the lack of population (20 mill would make us the 'smallest' host nation for a long long time), and the percieved lack of interest in football (yes, the Socceroos may sell out any venue, but how would we go with Ghana vs Czech Republic at Suncorp on a Wednesday afternoon?)
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