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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old May 29th, 2008, 12:06 AM   #3381
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But why?
It's a good way to avoid being invaded?
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Old May 29th, 2008, 12:08 AM   #3382
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We are not talking about what they "will" choose. We are talking about what they "should" choose.
id choose mexico over the USA. if both can meet the requirements and guarantees, id rather have mexico host than USA. personal preference.
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Old May 29th, 2008, 12:47 AM   #3383
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It's a good way to avoid being invaded?
You dont need to bring that here its not needed
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Old May 29th, 2008, 12:53 AM   #3384
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Ok heres the list of Mexican Stadiums


Estadio Azteca
Location: Mexico City
Capacity: 114,600





Estadio Olimpico Universitario
Location: Mexico city
Capacity: 72,449





Estadio Jalisco
Location: Guadalajara
Capacity: 63,163
this one could get a facelift



Estadio Chivas (2009)
Location: Guadalajara
Capacity: 54,500



Estadio Corregidora
Location: Queretaro
Capacity: 50,000
Could also be remodeled



Estadio Universitario
Location: Monterrey
Capacity: 45,000
Could also get a facelift



Estadio Monterrey
Location: Monterrey
Capacity: more than 45,000

this project is under study, but the city will have a new stadium for sure



Arena Indios (2010)
Location: Ciudad Juarez
Capacity: 40,000



Estadio Caliente (2009)
Location: Tijuana
Capacity: 33,333



Estadio Hidalgo
Location: Pachuca
Capicity: 33,000



Territorio Santos (2009)
Location: Torreon
Capacity: 25,000



Estadio Victoria
Location: Aguascalientes
Capacity: 24,000





And as the 8th most visited country of the world (21.4 million people a year) we have all the infrastructure we need
The football clubs and the local goverments can put all the money we need for the remodels, and more projects are on their way such as the expansion of the Estadio Azul in Mexico city
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Old May 29th, 2008, 01:31 AM   #3385
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Ok heres the list of Mexican Stadiums


Estadio Azteca
Location: Mexico City
Capacity: 114,600





Estadio Olimpico Universitario
Location: Mexico city
Capacity: 72,449





Estadio Jalisco
Location: Guadalajara
Capacity: 63,163
this one could get a facelift



Estadio Chivas (2009)
Location: Guadalajara
Capacity: 54,500



Estadio Corregidora
Location: Queretaro
Capacity: 50,000
Could also be remodeled



Estadio Universitario
Location: Monterrey
Capacity: 45,000
Could also get a facelift



Estadio Monterrey
Location: Monterrey
Capacity: more than 45,000

this project is under study, but the city will have a new stadium for sure



Arena Indios (2010)
Location: Ciudad Juarez
Capacity: 40,000



Estadio Caliente (2009)
Location: Tijuana
Capacity: 33,333



Estadio Hidalgo
Location: Pachuca
Capicity: 33,000



Territorio Santos (2009)
Location: Torreon
Capacity: 25,000



Estadio Victoria
Location: Aguascalientes
Capacity: 24,000





And as the 8th most visited country of the world (21.4 million people a year) we have all the infrastructure we need
The football clubs and the local goverments can put all the money we need for the remodels, and more projects are on their way such as the expansion of the Estadio Azul in Mexico city
those stadiums are nice, i wasnt aware of how many nice ones there were

however, i still think it would be unfair for mexico to host it a third time before some countries have it a first or second time
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Old May 29th, 2008, 01:37 AM   #3386
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those stadiums are nice, i wasnt aware of how many nice ones there were

however, i still think it would be unfair for mexico to host it a third time before some countries have it a first or second time
I agree with you on that point. I think Mexico is in second priority from the last in hosting future world cups because it had already hosted two WC tournaments.
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Old May 29th, 2008, 01:43 AM   #3387
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those stadiums are nice, i wasnt aware of how many nice ones there were

however, i still think it would be unfair for mexico to host it a third time before some countries have it a first or second time
Mexico hosted the 1986 cup as an emergency backup, not an official bid, the tournament was supposed to be held in Colombia but it was suspended because Colombia couldn't afford it, that is why we hosted 2 cups in such a "short" time (16 years)
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Old May 29th, 2008, 01:54 AM   #3388
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Mexico hosted the 1986 cup as an emergency backup, not an official bid, the tournament was supposed to be held in Colombia but it was suspended because Colombia couldn't afford it, that is why we hosted 2 cups in such a "short" time (16 years)
backup or not, it still hosted it twice
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Old May 29th, 2008, 02:00 AM   #3389
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Well, Felipe Calderon, president of Mexico alredy said that in three years he will place the bid, so case closed and lets see how it turns out...
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Old May 29th, 2008, 03:10 AM   #3390
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Well, Felipe Calderon, president of Mexico alredy said that in three years he will place the bid, so case closed and lets see how it turns out...
well, so wasn't that like Monterrey also going for the 2016 Olympics?
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Old May 29th, 2008, 03:20 AM   #3391
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Let's keep this above board, folks. The idea is to review the logistical possibilities of each bid. Politics surely has its own board somewhere else.

Mexico could offer a nice WC and would certainly benefit from the investment, seeing as it's already the third (second?) wealthiest league outside of Europe. I'm partial to Necaxa and Cruz Azul myself and watch when I can. That being said they, like everybody, have a few obstacles to overcome.

- Clearly many of the stadiums are outdated and/or below the 40k threshold, meaning some heady investment will still be required to host the games. Some of those that are already at the minimum capacity have bleachers instead of seats.

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And as the 8th most visited country of the world (21.4 million people a year) we have all the infrastructure we need
True, but a large portion of those tourists are border-hopping to beach resorts and not necessarily to the same cities that might be hosting some WC games. Go here and you can see a distribution of their current top flight teams, a majority of which are focused around Mexico City. On some counts this would serve the event well in minimizing the travel for the clubs (the opposite of a likely US bid), but that also suggests a concentration of the tourists in the metro area. Not impossible, but certainly difficult to manage.

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The football clubs and the local goverments can put all the money we need for the remodels, and more projects are on their way such as the expansion of the Estadio Azul in Mexico city
I'm crying "foul" over this one. If the Mexican government is flush with cash (it isn't) then it has got plenty of other things it should be spending it on other than stadiums. So while a bid is possible as an economic development tool, it certainly should not be receiving billions in investment. They're not destitute, but they're not exactly booming, either. Sorry, I'm too close to federal government to know this to be true.

- One strike against both for 2018 will be their time-zone proximity to the Brazil tournament. FIFA will likely prefer to move the games away from the Americas just so Asian viewers won't have such tough hours two WC in a row.

As for the politics and sentimentality of bids, I do feel FIFA will prefer newer hosts when possible but Mexico and the US are near equal in my eyes in terms of currency of their last event. Each bid has its benefits and each its flaws. I will say this: Should one of them land the '22 WC the other will have ample time to improve their lot for 2038. Further, either one hosting the games will be a boon to the sport in the other country as well.

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Old May 29th, 2008, 04:19 AM   #3392
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- Clearly many of the stadiums are outdated and/or below the 40k threshold, meaning some heady investment will still be required to host the games. Some of those that are already at the minimum capacity have bleachers instead of seats.
True, but some are being built and the older ones would do with a remodel


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True, but a large portion of those tourists are border-hopping to beach resorts and not necessarily to the same cities that might be hosting some WC games. Go here and you can see a distribution of their current top flight teams, a majority of which are focused around Mexico City. On some counts this would serve the event well in minimizing the travel for the clubs (the opposite of a likely US bid), but that also suggests a concentration of the tourists in the metro area. Not impossible, but certainly difficult to manage.
Just about a year ago, the goverment sold the oficial airline carriers (Aeromexico and Mexicana) and opened the airline market, since then lots of low cost and regional airlines have appeared and just like in europe, you can get a good flight for under 100 euro. Plus, unlike most people would think (no thanks to Hollywood) we have an excellent toll-highway system and very good bus lines, plus lots of hotel capacity. Mexicans travel o lot within Mexico since it isnt as easy for most people to travel to other countries, so as far a infrastructure we do have a pretty good level.

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I'm crying "foul" over this one. If the Mexican government is flush with cash (it isn't) then it has got plenty of other things it should be spending it on other than stadiums. So while a bid is possible as an economic development tool, it certainly should not be receiving billions in investment. They're not destitute, but they're not exactly booming, either. Sorry, I'm too close to federal government to know this to be true.
Bread and Circus, as the romans used to say, right now, most states are doing impossible to get a local team and to get a new stadium. As long as the people have football, they will be happy.

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- One strike against both for 2018 will be their time-zone proximity to the Brazil tournament. FIFA will likely prefer to move the games away from the Americas just so Asian viewers won't have such tough hours two WC in a row.
Remember that fifa classifies Mexico in CONCACAF (North and Central America) and not CONMEBOL (South America), and supposedly there should be a rotation system between the difrent regions of the world, so Brasil hosting it shouldnt be a problem

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As for the politics and sentimentality of bids, I do feel FIFA will prefer newer hosts when possible but Mexico and the US are near equal in my eyes in terms of currency of their last event. Each bid has its benefits and each its flaws. I will say this: Should one of them land the '22 WC the other will have ample time to improve their lot for 2038. Further, either one hosting the games will be a boon to the sport in the other country as well.
That is true

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Old May 29th, 2008, 04:26 AM   #3393
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well, so wasn't that like Monterrey also going for the 2016 Olympics?
yeah but the state of Nuevo Leon (Monterrey) didnt get the suport from Mexico City.

Some say that it was because Guadalajara is supose to launch a bid after 2011, when they will be hosting the Panamerican (continental) games
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Old May 29th, 2008, 08:29 AM   #3394
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i will say that the fact that many people refer to North and South America as the Americas makes them miss the point that they are still two different continents IMO
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Old May 29th, 2008, 11:25 AM   #3395
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One problem with the Mexico bid is that there can only be one city with two stadiums, that would be Mexico City.

So Guadalajara and Monterrey can only have one stadium each.

They would need 6 more stadiums above 40k (or is it more) in 6 different cities. So far they have two (Que, CiJua)

And quite honestly, the mexican league doesn't really need 40k stadiums outside the big three cities.
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And does Mexico need a 3rd World Cup?
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Yeah, it should go to a country which has never organised a WC...!
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Shame though for some countries. The bids are quite good, but... wel you know how it should go.
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Bread and Circus, as the romans used to say, right now, most states are doing impossible to get a local team and to get a new stadium. As long as the people have football, they will be happy.
I get it, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Granted, the US and many other places aren't doing all that better. Sadly.
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I should hope I don't come off that obtuse about FIFA groupings. My point is that Brazil and Mexico are within a couple of time zones of one another, and WC viewers in Asia will be forced to watch at odd hours. For that reason FIFA may wish to move the event to a different time zone more friendly to Asia before going back to the Americas.

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