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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old June 15th, 2008, 02:17 PM   #3521
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I understand that. But it's NOT always a perfectly planned world, is it? There are always contingencies, and indeed hands are forced. But that doesn't make my counter-argument any less valid -- and it doesn't erase where the (changed) WCs eventually took place. Innsbruck is the Official 1976 Winter Host even though it was awarded to Denver initially. So the record books name them the 2nd Innsbruck Games -- not the Oh-what-could've-been-Denver I-games-but-given-to-Innsbruck-instead-Games, are they?

You're either deliberately missing the point or I'm not explaining myself well enough; it's probably my fault, I'll try explaining again. When it comes to who FIFA decides to give the world cup to (i.e. their preference), history shows that gap is as large as Qaabus says it is. So, if we're trying to predict the 2018/22/26 votes then we use that information to infer the future, not the fact that things didn't pan out as they should have after the votes. Understand where I'm coming from?
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Old June 15th, 2008, 04:04 PM   #3522
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I do - but if we are speaking of 'spans between repeat hostings,' then to me that is NOT the complete picture -- planned or not. The complete picture, with contingencies...which is a true reflection of real life, is that there have been 16 and 4 year gaps between repeat hostings...REGARDLESS of the original circumstances. THat is the FULL and COMPLETE PiCTURE on the subject of repeat hostings -- not merely mentioning the 'PLANNED' timings to suit one's denigrating argument.

You guys, including Qaabus, see the glass as half-empty. I see it as half-full.

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Old June 15th, 2008, 04:17 PM   #3523
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I'd say the span between hosting only really matters if you or someone else can make a good political point about it. Say the US were in competision with Spain or England it could used used agenst them but I don't think Australia or China would be able to get as much capital out of it.
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Old June 15th, 2008, 04:24 PM   #3524
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AUSTRALIAN'S ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT SOCCER AND WE HAVE OUR OWN A LEAGUE TEAMS. WE BET QATAR TODAY 3-1 AND IT WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS. WE HAVE A REALITY TV SHOW CALLED 'FOOTBALL SUPERSTAR' WHERE A PLAYER WILL GETA CONTRACT WITH AN AUSTRALIAN CLUB.

I DONT THINK UK WILL GET IT AS THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE OLYMPICS IM HOPING AUSTRALIA FOR 2018 INSTEAD OF 2022
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Old June 15th, 2008, 04:43 PM   #3525
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No need for capitals! The Olympics could work for or against England (note: not the UK for 2018).
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Old June 15th, 2008, 09:19 PM   #3526
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oil price

With the baril of oil at $750 - $1000 in 2022 (a highly conservative estimation which only supposes a 15% increase per year) I doubt that Europeans or Latin Americans or even Chinese would flock in Australia to watch the WC.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 12:49 AM   #3527
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With the baril of oil at $750 - $1000 in 2022 (a highly conservative estimation which only supposes a 15% increase per year) I doubt that Europeans or Latin Americans or even Chinese would flock in Australia to watch the WC.
You're right. But price still hasn't stopped sports fan from going anywhere in the world to follow their teams. Besides, there would be packages which would significantly lower travel costs. Or they could charter a ship ya know.

But Australia 2018 nor 2022 is NOT going to happen -- not so soon after a South Africa 2010 and a Brazil 2014.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 01:00 AM   #3528
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IF Chine does a good job on the coming olympics and decides to bid for wc 2022 they will win it for sure, no other country stands a chance against a Chinese bid for 2022, plain and simple.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 01:30 AM   #3529
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uk 2018
china or australia 2022
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Old June 16th, 2008, 01:43 AM   #3530
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2018 -> England or Spain
2022 -> China
2026 -> Egypt or Morocco
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Old June 16th, 2008, 01:49 AM   #3531
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Russia 2030
Argentina 2034
Turkey 2038
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Old June 16th, 2008, 01:59 AM   #3532
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IF Chine does a good job on the coming olympics and decides to bid for wc 2022 they will win it for sure, no other country stands a chance against a Chinese bid for 2022, plain and simple.
China? After a few epidemics and earthquakes, and they can't even get past Iraq for the 2010 WC? Please.

Do you really think FIFA is that stupid?

Oh, BTW, the US had its first WC qualifying. It just beat Barbados 8 - 0!! The highest score for a WC qualifying for the USA.

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Old June 16th, 2008, 02:04 AM   #3533
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2018 -> England or Spain
2022 -> China
2026 -> Egypt or Morocco
In the unlikely even that the USA does not get the 2022 World Cup, there's no way they won't get 2026.

Combine Egypt and Morocco and they still come nowhere near close to the USA.

In this scenario, the US, Mexico, and Argentina would be the favorites to host.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 03:04 AM   #3534
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2018 -> England or Spain
2022 -> China
2026 -> Egypt or Morocco
Sorry but I can't see another African nation getting a World Cup so soon after the 2010 WC in South Africa. FIFA will probably look to expand the global football market to Australia, China or the USA as soon as they can by awarding each country with the World Cup after 2018. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in that order actually. The only thing Australia lacks is the stadia capacity. USA and China could comfortably host a WC tomorrow, but the Ozzies would have to develop a few of their grounds.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 03:38 AM   #3535
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China? After a few epidemics and earthquakes, and they can't even get past Iraq for the 2010 WC? Please.

Do you really think FIFA is that stupid?

Oh, BTW, the US had its first WC qualifying. It just beat Barbados 8 - 0!! The highest score for a WC qualifying for the USA.


are you seriously showing off a victory against a team that had to put advertisement to invite any kind of people to play for their national football team?
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Old June 16th, 2008, 03:49 AM   #3536
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China? After a few epidemics and earthquakes, and they can't even get past Iraq for the 2010 WC? Please.

Do you really think FIFA is that stupid?

Oh, BTW, the US had its first WC qualifying. It just beat Barbados 8 - 0!! The highest score for a WC qualifying for the USA.
I knew just ago Barbados is name of country
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Old June 16th, 2008, 04:06 AM   #3537
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are you seriously showing off a victory against a team that had to put advertisement to invite any kind of people to play for their national football team?
kamilo, no wonder at all this guy shows off a victory against Barbados. He used to insist on this.

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Uhmmm ... Sumo wrestling, volleyball and sex are up there in Japanese sports -- above football.
And counterattacked by me like this.

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Football is less popular than volleyball in Japan????????? Hey you ignorant, volleyball can't show this kind of thing in Japan, so can't even baseball

















If you wonder WTF Japanese are crazy about, find out just a part of Urawa Red Diamonds and its supporters on internet and youtube. That alone will change your thoughts about sports popularity in Japan fundamentally
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Old June 16th, 2008, 05:47 AM   #3538
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LOL

says so much about his credentials.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 10:23 AM   #3539
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IF Chine does a good job on the coming olympics and decides to bid for wc 2022 they will win it for sure, no other country stands a chance against a Chinese bid for 2022, plain and simple.
Don't be so certain. Technically China would be fine, it's whether FIFA will want all the politics that comes with a Chinese hosting that could be the real problem.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 10:56 AM   #3540
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Don't be so certain. Technically China would be fine, it's whether FIFA will want all the politics that comes with a Chinese hosting that could be the real problem.
I think the bad publicity surrounding the torch relay may hamper China's chances as well as being eliminated from the 2010 qualifiers.
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