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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old June 21st, 2008, 11:06 PM   #3581
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uhmmm...

That's very easy for you to say.

First, you DON'T control the finances of a city or state gov't, so it's so easy for you to make sweeping statements.

#2 - Obviously, the IAAF does NOT agree with you. FIFA is NOT the only game in town. Live a little; think outside football. Get a girlfriend or a boyfriend who's crazy about field hockey or synchronized swmming!!
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Old June 21st, 2008, 11:56 PM   #3582
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2018 Europe
2022 Australia bidding against USA, China, Mexico. Assume USA wins, then...
2026 Australia bidding against China, Argentina, Colombia, Egypt, assume China wins...
2030 Europe
OK for 2018 Europe, 2022 USA and 2026 China.
But 2030 will be Argentina and Uruguay (oppening and final matchs in Montevideo): the world cup centenial.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 02:23 AM   #3583
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OK for 2018 Europe, 2022 USA and 2026 China.
But 2030 will be Argentina and Uruguay (oppening and final matchs in Montevideo): the world cup centenial.
Yeah, that scenario makes sense. Altho Montevideo will have to share Opening with Buenos Aires instead. How many cities can Uruguay contribute? 2. Or maybe the Opening in Montevideo and the finals in BA. A 2030 WC is no longer on the same scale (logistics, attendance, world press, etc.) as it was in 1930!!
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 05:41 AM   #3584
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Running tracks are awful. They should be abolished. The sport of football/soccer is way beyond track and field in this world, so I don't see why designers bend over backwards to accommodate that stuff.

At least the World Cup finals in 2002,2006 and 2008 Euro final, the runway was not considered to be terrible.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 06:00 AM   #3585
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Now let us look at the ECC final.

2009 Roma


2008 Moscow


2007 Athens


2005 Istanbul


2002 Glasgow
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 06:03 AM   #3586
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2018 -> England is the most favorite, followed by Spain, Russia, Turkey.
2022 -> China is the most favorite
2026 -> USA, Argentine, Egypt will compete, among which I don't see any country stand out. Each country has very good reasons to host WC and all of them will be able to afford it by then.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 06:38 AM   #3587
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I do not think that Argentina and Egypt have the ability to host. We should know that the World Cup held in 2010,2014, South Africa and Brazil are very difficult.
Now the conditions to host the World Cup is very high, is not a general state can bear. I think that the world capable of hosting the World Cup IMO only:
Brazil, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea,France, Russia, Spain, England, China, the United States, Mexico.
South Africa is to take care of Africa to obtain the right to host.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 07:12 AM   #3588
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Women world cup 1991


Asian cup 2004


Women world cup 2007


Olympic 2008


Asian games 2010
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 08:00 AM   #3589
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 08:00 AM   #3590
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Yeah, that scenario makes sense. Altho Montevideo will have to share Opening with Buenos Aires instead. How many cities can Uruguay contribute? 2. Or maybe the Opening in Montevideo and the finals in BA. A 2030 WC is no longer on the same scale (logistics, attendance, world press, etc.) as it was in 1930!!
The final has to be at Centenario!!!!

I imagine Montevideo would be the only uruguayan venue, with most of the venues would be in argentina, like Buenos Aires, Rosario, La Plata, Santa Fe, Cordoba etc. I would say Centenario and Buenos Aires would each host a semi and the final at Centenario.

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Old June 22nd, 2008, 08:23 AM   #3591
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China is the birthplace of football

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Old June 22nd, 2008, 08:40 AM   #3592
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IF Chine does a good job on the coming olympics and decides to bid for wc 2022 they will win it for sure, no other country stands a chance against a Chinese bid for 2022, plain and simple.
That's exactly what the entire world (including China) was saying about the Beijing 2000 Olympic bid too.

Until Mr Sandwich from the IOC shocked everyone with, "and the winner is......Sydney, Australia!" The Beijing bid team looked like......

Australia can obviously be quite cunning at obtaining the required numbers in a vote. Sydney 2000 was a pretty good Olympics from memory too.

The 2008 Olympics will be a massive test for China especially in the way they handle foreigners and most importantly how many foreigners will even attend. We all know the World Cup (unlike the Olympics) attracts a massive amount of 'loud and lubricated' travelling supporters and they would require an amount of tolerance I think the Chinese Government/Police would have real problems dealing with. It could be a very sterile and tense environment.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 01:05 PM   #3593
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That's exactly what the entire world (including China) was saying about the Beijing 2000 Olympic bid too.

Until Mr Sandwich from the IOC shocked everyone with, "and the winner is......Sydney, Australia!" The Beijing bid team looked like......

Australia can obviously be quite cunning at obtaining the required numbers in a vote. Sydney 2000 was a pretty good Olympics from memory too.

The 2008 Olympics will be a massive test for China especially in the way they handle foreigners and most importantly how many foreigners will even attend. We all know the World Cup (unlike the Olympics) attracts a massive amount of 'loud and lubricated' travelling supporters and they would require an amount of tolerance I think the Chinese Government/Police would have real problems dealing with. It could be a very sterile and tense environment.
1993 China is the first time to host the Games, to the successful bid for the first time, the difficulty is great. In 2008, also a developing country can not host the Olympic Games. Under the circumstances require China's bid to host very successful reality.
However, some problems still have to see: today's China than in 1993, China's strength should be much stronger, in 2022 China will be China's strength than today's much stronger. Sydney, Australia with a city to challenge Beijing, the country than it used With the Chinese than to, obviously not the same. Please note that even when China is very difficult, and China has only two votes lost to Australia.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 01:47 PM   #3594
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At least the World Cup finals in 2002,2006 and 2008 Euro final, the runway was not considered to be terrible.
A bid can have maybe 2-3 stadiums with athletic tracks but certainly not more than half of them.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 02:01 PM   #3595
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A bid can have maybe 2-3 stadiums with athletic tracks but certainly not more than half of them.
Half of the stadiums with athletic tracks in 2002 WC.

You may misunderstood my meaning. I just want to say that athletic tracks will not affect the birth of a great match.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 07:38 PM   #3596
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uhmmm....

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China is the birthplace of football

Uhmmm....yeah. very nice print...


for something drawn yesterday.

Ancient prints do NOT have folds in them. :wink:

Please try again.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 07:41 PM   #3597
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?????

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2018 -> England is the most favorite, followed by Spain, Russia, Turkey.
2022 -> China is the most favorite
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???? Yeah...by your standards. But you're NOT voting -- so it doesn't really matter, does it.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 08:28 PM   #3598
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Half of the stadiums with athletic tracks in 2002 WC.

You may misunderstood my meaning. I just want to say that athletic tracks will not affect the birth of a great match.
i think the point that he is trying to make is that you win a bid based on merits, which include fan comfort, and a part of fan comfort is view of the pitch and atmosphere, therefore it is in no way foar that a bid with multiple stadiums with tracks should win over a bid without.

it also looks bad on telly.

i for one think, athletics stadiums shouldn't be allowed to be used for major football matches where bidding is involved, including finals and tournaments, it makes logical sense!
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 08:57 PM   #3599
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Very few countries could pull off a world cup without at least one stadium with an athletics track so FIFA banning them for bidding nations would be a bad idea.

But, a China bid with many stadiums with running tracks up against an England bid where all of the stadiums are built for football will be at a disadvantage venues-wise.

Of course, we all know that it's not just venues that determines who wins, so China could easily win despite having inferior sightlines in their stadiums.
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Very few countries could pull off a world cup without at least one stadium with an athletics track so FIFA banning them for bidding nations would be a bad idea.

But, a China bid with many stadiums with running tracks up against an England bid where all of the stadiums are built for football will be at a disadvantage venues-wise.

Of course, we all know that it's not just venues that determines who wins, so China could easily win despite having inferior sightlines in their stadiums.
I believe that the Chinese people and have not thought about in 2018 to beat the Europeans that China's goal is 2022 and the Australian Competition.
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