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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old July 5th, 2008, 11:25 AM   #3701
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Old July 5th, 2008, 11:42 AM   #3702
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Australlia also has fantastic stadias.
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Old July 5th, 2008, 11:44 AM   #3703
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The USA could easily host it right now without building any new stadiums, while China and Australia would have to build a lot of new stadiums just to even get close to the USA's bid. The USA already has 32 top-of-the-line stadiums with at least 60,000 seats. I'm sorry, but, the USA has the 2022 world cup.
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Old July 5th, 2008, 11:47 AM   #3704
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Nor 2002

So England could 'get away' with 8 cities / 10 stadiums

London - Wembley/Emirates plus
Manchester - Old Trafford/COMS or Liverpool - Stanley Park / Kirkby

Manchester United/Old Trafford, strictly speaking, isn't in Manchester. It's in the City of Salford.

Or how about just a London world cup?

Wembley - 90,000
Twickenham - 82,000
Olympic - 80,000
Emirates - 60,000
Chelsea - 42,000 (new build likely ~65,000)
Upton Park - 35,000 (new build likely ~60,000)
White Heart Lane - 35,000 (new build possible ~50,000)
The Valley - 27,000 (planned 40,000 expansion)
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Old July 5th, 2008, 11:52 AM   #3705
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2002 WC was the first (and most likely last) co-hosted tournament. So the criteria about number of city & stadium has no room to be applied to.
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Old July 5th, 2008, 11:59 AM   #3706
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I would rather have the world cup hosted in the same half dozen countries over and over in the largest and best facilities, than moved to a country with smaller stadiums and lesser facilities for the sake of it.
Thats your opinion, but when FIFA wants and NEEDS to grow the sport in other regions for it's own sake, rules will be bent or broken or changed to allow the tournament to be hosted in other countries which don't fully fit the criteria.

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The criteria is that the number of stadiums is a minimum of 8, a maximum of 10 with only one city having two host stadiums possible. But none of them was met in 2006 WC.
Alas, the proof is in the pudding.

Like I said, when it comes to certain issues such as safety or infrastructure etc, some criteria will not be ignored. But when it comes to less important criteria like stadiums per city, if the city is large enough to support to mass of fans, and has the infrastructure to cope, I don't see it missing out for solely that reason.



Carrerra, where did you get the information about the criteria if you don't mind me asking?
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Old July 5th, 2008, 12:07 PM   #3707
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Brazil has proposed 18 stadiums for 2014
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Old July 5th, 2008, 12:10 PM   #3708
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Thats your opinion, but when FIFA wants and NEEDS to grow the sport in other regions for it's own sake, rules will be bent or broken or changed to allow the tournament to be hosted in other countries which don't fully fit the criteria.



Alas, the proof is in the pudding.

Like I said, when it comes to certain issues such as safety or infrastructure etc, some criteria will not be ignored. But when it comes to less important criteria like stadiums per city, if the city is large enough to support to mass of fans, and has the infrastructure to cope, I don't see it missing out for solely that reason.


Carrerra, where did you get the information about the criteria if you don't mind me asking?
This is a part of what Wikipedia says about 2014 WC stadiums...

According to current FIFA practice, no more than one city may use two stadia, and the number of host cities is limited between eight and ten. The Brazilian Confederation already requested permission to assign twelve cities hosting World Cup Finals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup
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Old July 5th, 2008, 12:50 PM   #3709
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Are there already? any off. bids or statements of a country to host 2022?
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Old July 5th, 2008, 01:01 PM   #3710
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I'm sorry, but, the USA has the 2022 world cup.


FIFA doesn't care if new stadiums need to be built or renewed. I don't think there has been any tournament in recent history which hasn't redeveloped at least some of it's stadiums, or built new ones (Including Germany and England).
Brazil is redeveloping all of it's stadiums, and South Africa built several new ones.

FIFA is desperate to grow the sport in Asia, as this is pretty much the last only region that isn't saturation point in terms of football (apart from USA). The sport is very popular in most of the countries, but isn;t number one in many. The leagues and national sides need developing, and having a world cup in the region is the best possible promotion. FIFA tried to do the same thing for USA in 94, but it seemed to fail to grow the sport in any real terms in America. The MLS is pretty poor for a country of America's side.

To get match times at a suitable time for television viewers in East Asia, the only countries that could host the tournament are in East Asia. Having the tournament in Brazil in 2014 gives TV viewers in all of North and South America prime time match times.
There are 4 billion people in Asia, and 2 billion in East Asia which is in the similar time zones as China/Australia, a third of the world's population. This is compared to 523 million in North America, 371 million South America, total under 1 billion. Basically Asia has a lot more viewers than the Americas, resulting in higher ratings for FIFA.

CONCACAF has hosted the tournament 3 times, Asia has only hosted it once.




USA has a really good bid. Stadium and Infrastructure are second to none. No doubt they will get the tournament soon, maybe 2026, maybe not.

It all comes down to this.
In 2022 it will be 28 years since USA hosted it's last world cup. That is extremely soon in terms of hosting a world cup.
The only country to have it sooner was Mexico, and that was only because Colombia, which was awarded the cup, declared it could not afford to host the cup.
Apart from that it's Germany, which which despite having all the stadiums, infrastructure, a national team which regularly finishes extremely well and passionate support, had to wait 32 years.

If football was the number one sport in USA (rather than number 5), or if 94 did more to boost the national team and MLS, (if the national team consistently finished very well in world cups, the US would have more of a chance. But thats not the case, so I think USA will have to wait a bit longer.
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Old July 5th, 2008, 01:16 PM   #3711
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To FIFA, China has much more attractions than USA does in terms of economic potential, football fever, time zone for Asian football fans who take the biggest share in WC viewing.

As for stadiums, US friends here always boast that they have world-best stadium infrastructure but most of them have too small width to host WC because they are originally designed for Ameican football whose pitch dimensions are much narrower than those of association football.

China has, of course, some problem with their stadiums. It has many state-of-the-art and large stadiums but most of them have athletics tracks. But that problem can be easily solved out by turning some of them into football specific stadiums or enlarging some 30K+ stadias to 40K+
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Old July 5th, 2008, 01:22 PM   #3712
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I don't see why the entire continent of Africa is ruled out for lack-of-facilities...
Sorry, compared to facilities in Asia (China, Australia), they are very poor. South Africa already had 7 stadiums over 40K, many of them under 25 years of age. Apart from Egypt which built a stadium in 2006, the countries you mentioned all have only a couple of stadiums, all ranging between 30 and 50 years old.
Apart from the stadiums, infrastructure and safety is also an issue.
The African countries also have no where near the economic resources to invest in stadiums and infrastructure as China/Australia.


Also, more importantly, Africa had the cup in 2010, so it's gonna be coming to Asia before it goes back there.



As far as the UAE hosting a cup, that is a very very long way off. With a population of under 5 million, and only one stadium over 40k, built in 1979, they have A LOT of ask kissing to do. Even though they have lots of money, I don't think FIFA would be happy for them to build 8 stadiums which will sit completely empty after the cup.
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Old July 5th, 2008, 01:59 PM   #3713
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FIFA doesn't care if new stadiums need to be built or renewed. I don't think there has been any tournament in recent history which hasn't redeveloped at least some of it's stadiums, or built new ones (Including Germany and England).
Brazil is redeveloping all of it's stadiums, and South Africa built several new ones.

FIFA is desperate to grow the sport in Asia, as this is pretty much the last only region that isn't saturation point in terms of football (apart from USA). The sport is very popular in most of the countries, but isn;t number one in many. The leagues and national sides need developing, and having a world cup in the region is the best possible promotion. FIFA tried to do the same thing for USA in 94, but it seemed to fail to grow the sport in any real terms in America. The MLS is pretty poor for a country of America's side.

To get match times at a suitable time for television viewers in East Asia, the only countries that could host the tournament are in East Asia. Having the tournament in Brazil in 2014 gives TV viewers in all of North and South America prime time match times.
There are 4 billion people in Asia, and 2 billion in East Asia which is in the similar time zones as China/Australia, a third of the world's population. This is compared to 523 million in North America, 371 million South America, total under 1 billion. Basically Asia has a lot more viewers than the Americas, resulting in higher ratings for FIFA.

CONCACAF has hosted the tournament 3 times, Asia has only hosted it once.




USA has a really good bid. Stadium and Infrastructure are second to none. No doubt they will get the tournament soon, maybe 2026, maybe not.

It all comes down to this.
In 2022 it will be 28 years since USA hosted it's last world cup. That is extremely soon in terms of hosting a world cup.
The only country to have it sooner was Mexico, and that was only because Colombia, which was awarded the cup, declared it could not afford to host the cup.
Apart from that it's Germany, which which despite having all the stadiums, infrastructure, a national team which regularly finishes extremely well and passionate support, had to wait 32 years.

If football was the number one sport in USA (rather than number 5), or if 94 did more to boost the national team and MLS, (if the national team consistently finished very well in world cups, the US would have more of a chance. But thats not the case, so I think USA will have to wait a bit longer.
No doubt that China is the USA's main competitor, whichever doesn't get 2022 probably will get 2026.
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Old July 5th, 2008, 02:38 PM   #3714
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It all depends on whether England or Spain get the bid for the 2018 World Cup. If they don't, it'll go to Europe in 2022... And I don't think there will be any official bids until the decision on the 2018 WC is made. 2011 I think?
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Old July 5th, 2008, 02:48 PM   #3715
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China - 14 stadiums
Beijing1 91.000
Guangdong 80.000
Shangai 80.000
beijing2 72.000 redeveloped for the olympics
Shenyang 70.000
Nanjing 60.000
Tianjin 60.000
Wuhan 60.000
Tianhe 60.000
Yizong 60.000
chonqing 58.000
Changsha 55.000
henan 50.000
Huanglong 50.000
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Old July 5th, 2008, 04:45 PM   #3716
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Such a shame China has built all its stadiums with athletics tracks. I think a lot will depend on how the Olympics go, Ive heard all sorts of problems with foreign spectators not being able to obtain visas, so assume Fifa will be watching with interest.
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Old July 5th, 2008, 04:58 PM   #3717
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Old July 5th, 2008, 06:13 PM   #3718
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china's economy could be as big if not bigger than the usa economy so it could easily build a few football specific stadiums
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Old July 5th, 2008, 09:54 PM   #3719
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By that time Russia will have all stadiums needed to host World cup 2022 !

I vote for RUSSIA !
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Old July 5th, 2008, 10:21 PM   #3720
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Or how about just a London world cup?

Wembley - 90,000
Twickenham - 82,000
Olympic - 80,000
Emirates - 60,000
Chelsea - 42,000 (new build likely ~65,000)
Upton Park - 35,000 (new build likely ~60,000)
White Heart Lane - 35,000 (new build possible ~50,000)
The Valley - 27,000 (planned 40,000 expansion)
If it doesn´t go to Benelux I prefer this one!
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