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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old July 6th, 2008, 02:35 AM   #3721
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It all depends on whether England or Spain get the bid for the 2018 World Cup. If they don't, it'll go to Europe in 2022... And I don't think there will be any official bids until the decision on the 2018 WC is made. 2011 I think?
The 2018 and 2022 World Cups will be awarded at the same time, in 2011.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 02:38 AM   #3722
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china's economy could be as big if not bigger than the usa economy so it could easily build a few football specific stadiums
Not even close...

USA: 14 Trillion dollars
China: 3.25 Trillion dollars

But yeah, I can easily see China building 5 brand new stadiums in order to get the World Cup. Those athletic tracks are horrible for soccer...
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Old July 6th, 2008, 03:08 AM   #3723
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Or how about just a London world cup?

Wembley - 90,000
Twickenham - 82,000
Olympic - 80,000
Emirates - 60,000
Chelsea - 42,000 (new build likely ~65,000)
Upton Park - 35,000 (new build likely ~60,000)
White Heart Lane - 35,000 (new build possible ~50,000)
The Valley - 27,000 (planned 40,000 expansion)
lol, well the World Cup may just be out of our reach but im sure London could put up a decent bid and be able to host a European Championship.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 04:40 AM   #3724
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As for stadiums, US friends here always boast that they have world-best stadium infrastructure but most of them have too small width to host WC because they are originally designed for Ameican football whose pitch dimensions are much narrower than those of association football.
i think its funny how you say that considering that every time you try to say one of our stadiums is too small we prove you wrong. give it up, our stadiums have been designed to hold soccer
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Old July 6th, 2008, 05:21 AM   #3725
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Not even close...

USA: 14 Trillion dollars
China: 3.25 Trillion dollars

But yeah, I can easily see China building 5 brand new stadiums in order to get the World Cup. Those athletic tracks are horrible for soccer...
by 2022 it will be much closer
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Old July 6th, 2008, 05:22 AM   #3726
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By that time Russia will have all stadiums needed to host World cup 2022 !

I vote for RUSSIA !
Russia 2026
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Old July 6th, 2008, 07:12 AM   #3727
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Russia 2026
If England gets the 2018 WC, then Russia will have to wait until 2030.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 11:43 AM   #3728
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i think its funny how you say that considering that every time you try to say one of our stadiums is too small we prove you wrong. give it up, our stadiums have been designed to hold soccer
Hey man(or girl), seeing this picture, are you still saying that your stadias are wide enough to host WC? I hate to say this but what is your vision?



As you see in the below picture, a stadium should have at least 8.5 meters on the sides as auxiliary area in order to host WC. Don't say that Giants Stadium had hosted WC in 1994, so it will have no dimensions problem in 2018 or after that too. Things have changed. FIFA guideline for field dimensions was just a recommendation at that time, but now it is a regulation!

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Old July 6th, 2008, 06:53 PM   #3729
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Hey man(or girl), seeing this picture, are you still saying that your stadias are wide enough to host WC? I hate to say this but what is your vision?



As you see in the below picture, a stadium should have at least 8.5 meters on the sides as auxiliary area in order to host WC. Don't say that Giants Stadium had hosted WC in 1994, so it will have no dimensions problem in 2018 or after that too. Things have changed. FIFA guideline for field dimensions was just a recommendation at that time, but now it is a regulation!

yeah, and what about your pointless argument to try and tell everyone LP Field was too small too...do you realize how dumb that is.

And i just hope you do remember that Giants Stadium was too small during the last WC too, they just made an exception
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Old July 6th, 2008, 07:56 PM   #3730
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I think the US either has adequate stadiums, or can build adequate stadiums.
If China and Australia can, whats stopping the US? Nothing.
The USA's infrastructure is better than either China or Australia.

The argument is more about FIFA growing the sport in Asia, and more importantly, USA hosting the cup so recently.

Why would America, which doesn't give a shit about soccer really, finishes poorly in the tournament and doesn't have any sort of support for the sport, get to host the cup after 28 years, when football powerhouse nations like Germany, Italy, France, Brazil had to wait 32, 56, 60 and 64 years respectively.

If England, where the game originated, wins 2018, it had to wait 54 years.

All these nations regularly finish extremely well in the tournament, have the most passionate support and apart from Brazil have as good if not better infrastructure and stadiums.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 09:33 PM   #3731
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If England, where the game originated, wins 2018, it had to wait 54 years.
China is the origin country of football itself. England is the origin country of modern football. This would be a more exact expression
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Old July 6th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #3732
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China is the origin country of football itself. England is the origin country of modern football. This would be a more exact expression
Baloney, carera! With that folded up modern piece of paper. You're so full of sh*T!!! I have a photo of ancient amerindians playing football with a ball, dated 8850 BC!!! Take that!!!
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Old July 6th, 2008, 10:26 PM   #3733
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Old July 6th, 2008, 10:33 PM   #3734
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Old July 7th, 2008, 12:03 AM   #3735
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Giants Stadium is not going to be use for the WC, why are we still arguing about it?

LP field wouldn't be used either.

There are more than enough stadiums in the US that can host WC matches.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 06:49 AM   #3736
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2006 WC had 12 host cities with 12 stadiums. That guideline is just a recommendation, not a regulation IMO.
Didn't mean to imply that one MUST have 8 over 7, just that 8 over 7 is the minimum, 8 over 8, 9 over 8 or 9, 10 over 9 or 10, etc., are all within the desired range as well.

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Thats your opinion, but when FIFA wants and NEEDS to grow the sport in other regions for it's own sake, rules will be bent or broken or changed to allow the tournament to be hosted in other countries which don't fully fit the criteria.
When FIFA wants and needs to grow the sport in other regions they will look to go to the largest countries with the strongest growing markets. Such countries, like South Africa for example, have growing economies and populations which can support the required stadium infrastructure - which is why FIFA is interested in the first place. Why bend the rules to include Australia (for example) with it's small 22m (?) population, when you can use stronger rules to push the finals toward China with it's 1.2b population?

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Brazil has proposed 18 stadiums for 2014
18 stadiums have been put forward, they will narrow the selection down closer to the finals.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 06:58 AM   #3737
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Old July 7th, 2008, 10:24 AM   #3738
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I think the US either has adequate stadiums, or can build adequate stadiums.
If China and Australia can, whats stopping the US? Nothing.
The USA's infrastructure is better than either China or Australia.

The argument is more about FIFA growing the sport in Asia, and more importantly, USA hosting the cup so recently.

Why would America, which doesn't give a shit about soccer really, finishes poorly in the tournament and doesn't have any sort of support for the sport, get to host the cup after 28 years, when football powerhouse nations like Germany, Italy, France, Brazil had to wait 32, 56, 60 and 64 years respectively.

If England, where the game originated, wins 2018, it had to wait 54 years.

All these nations regularly finish extremely well in the tournament, have the most passionate support and apart from Brazil have as good if not better infrastructure and stadiums.
Can hardly say that England is among the countries that has done “extremely well” in the World Cup.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 11:18 AM   #3739
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The reason i wouldn't like USA to host WC is it's time zone. If the game is played at casual time, it would be broadcasted at late night here in Europe (Largest football market). You know that noone watches recordings here. It wouldn't be a problem if the game is played at the mid of day, but you must get air condisioned stadiums. I would go for Qatar. Time zone is OK and they could afford to get all their stadiums air condisioned.

p.s. In US noone play nor watches football. You will have to wait untill you get latino majority.

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Old July 7th, 2008, 11:37 AM   #3740
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Hey man(or girl), seeing this picture, are you still saying that your stadias are wide enough to host WC? I hate to say this but what is your vision?



As you see in the below picture, a stadium should have at least 8.5 meters on the sides as auxiliary area in order to host WC. Don't say that Giants Stadium had hosted WC in 1994, so it will have no dimensions problem in 2018 or after that too. Things have changed. FIFA guideline for field dimensions was just a recommendation at that time, but now it is a regulation!


This is a picture of the Old Giants Stadium. They are currently building a new one that is probably being built with the right dimensions for soccer and will definately be big enough for games to be held on a world cup level. Most of the new stadiums that have been built in America within the last 5-7 years have been built with soccer in mind and are big enough for the game on a international level.
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