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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old July 15th, 2008, 07:38 AM   #3821
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#3 - The USA:

- bigger country;

- better infrastructure

- the US has a proven record or good organization (why else would FIFA have moved Women's 2003 w/ less than a year's notice?); so FIFA will not have to go thru the trials and threats it is now issuing to South Africa in the light of the Port Elizabeth stadium delays...

- if the dollar still weak, therefore a great bargain for Euro fans

- active up-and-coming football culture; in the 13 years since MLS was founded, there are 14, count 'em, franchises now. That's a little more than one a year! What league has developed that fast? The women's football program/culture is the strongest in the world.

- And you do know that organizations like FIFA and the IOC are not above occasionally recognizing past favors done to them or for exceptionally good work performed for their cause?

- still holds the BIGGEST ATTENDANCE RECORDS OF ANY WORLD CUP and that was when it was only a 24-team tournament!! Can you imagine the reception and success for a 32-team tournament??

Therefore, to me, in simple logic, 2022 points to a stronger USA suit than either of those two other countries.[/SIZE]
Your "simple logic" is flawed. Yes, USA is big but China is just as big in land and bigger in populace. If the US dollar being weak makes things cheaper for Europeans, then what does a really weak Yuan do? And how do the americans have a up-and-coming football culture? The sport is nothing there, it doesnt get a sniff beside Basketball, American Football, Baseball, even Hockey, Golf and oval auto racing. Football is one of the most popular sports in China, along with Basketball.

You also didnt mention how the chinese economy is growing rapidly and the American economy isnt. China is getting better at almost everything so in 2022, alot of your points against china may be illegitimate.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 08:12 AM   #3822
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That's funny because the MLS has a much higher average attendance than China's league.

Just because soccer it's the USA's fifth (soon the 4th) sport doesn't mean much, as the USA is fully capable of having 5 healthy leagues competing with each other.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 08:28 AM   #3823
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China and Australia couldn't host 2018 and 2022 as they are in the same footballing federation. If Australia gets 2018, China would have to wait until 2030, and vice versa.
that's why i think the chinese were very smart, there's no way Australia is going to beat england for the 2018 WC.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 09:03 AM   #3824
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1. The sport is nothing there, it doesnt get a sniff beside Basketball, American Football, Baseball, even Hockey, Golf and oval auto racing. Football is one of the most popular sports in China, along with Basketball.

2. You also didnt mention how the chinese economy is growing rapidly and the American economy isnt. China is getting better at almost everything so in 2022, alot of your points against china may be illegitimate.
1. Nothing? I sure didn't hear ONLY the biggest, most charismatic name in the sport saying that when he left a lucrative Real Madrid contract to sign with a, NOT a CHINESE team, but, God forbid, a US team. Why don't you tell that to David Beckham?

Oh, I forgot, Beckham is going to Beijing -- NOT to play but to appear for London 2012!! I guess football in China isn't all that attractive.

And pssst, if you don't know it already, the US is big enough to support and accommodate many sports -- including cockfighting!!

2. China, China, China. Well, will it be more democratic? If the IOC had to probably chose another host for 2008, knowing what they know now, they would've given it to Toronto instead. If anything, China's economy may be more vibrant but that also means dirtier and more polluted. Not only in Beijing but in all their top cities.

Next...

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Old July 15th, 2008, 12:38 PM   #3825
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2. China, China, China. Well, will it be more democratic? If the IOC had to probably chose another host for 2008, knowing what they know now, they would've given it to Toronto instead. If anything, China's economy may be more vibrant but that also means dirtier and more polluted. Not only in Beijing but in all their top cities.

Next...
The IOC chose Beijing by a landslide. The vote only made it to the 2nd round and they did so knowing what the pollution would be like and the possible rights issues; let alone all the other cooperation issues the IOC and media are having with the Chinese government.

They chose something they knew would be difficult, wouldn't generate as much dollars as Toronto and would have far more problems along the way. They all knew it, yet they did it. For the sake of Olympism, culture and diversity.

It's unlikely FIFA will do the same. They're pretty much in it for the money and as you mention rover, the US is full of it. They've had their growth spurt in South Africa and will no doubt look back to Europe over the next decade or so. Eitherway, i think FIFA should take a leaf out of the IOC's book and go for the hosts that are more daring, passionate and more "diverse", starting with England.

As for football being the 5th (soon to be 4th) arguement you put forward rover, it is (by attendance) the 3rd largest sport in Australia and the 2nd in China. Domestic attendances dont justify a world cup. Australia's league averages around 15,000/game compared to the MLS (in a country 10x larger in population) of around 16,000 in 2006/2007.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 02:09 AM   #3826
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Jeez, do I REALLY have to spell it out?
Yes. I have been explaining my reasoning several times on this thread. It's about time you start doing the same.

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On similar lines, deep down, I suspect FIFA would still have a major problem with having the World Cup Final played at the Melbourne CRICKET Ground.
Personally I don't like the stadium for soccer, and prefer Telstra Dome.
However the German final was played at the Olympic stadium.
The Japan final was played at the Olympic stadium.
The France final was played at the Olympic stadium,
The Italy final was played at the Olympic stadium.

While a rectangular stadium would be preferable, I think the fact it fits 100,000 may mean they end up using it. There are no regulations on spectators distance from field, just guidelines.
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1. Nothing? I sure didn't hear ONLY the biggest, most charismatic name in the sport saying that when he left a lucrative Real Madrid contract to sign with a, NOT a CHINESE team, but, God forbid, a US team.
The fact that the US league needs to buy retired European footballers for the sport to even rate a mention on TV shows how poorly supported the league is.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 10:21 PM   #3827
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The fact that the US league needs to buy retired European footballers for the sport to even rate a mention on TV shows how poorly supported the league is.
Well, that's one sourpuss' POV. No one in America is complaining.

Besides, what do you care? No one is forcing you to watch MLS.

If it's good enough for people who pay the tickets, then that's all that matters. Opinions of outside kibitzers like yourself are really inconsequential and irrelevant.

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Old July 17th, 2008, 03:28 AM   #3828
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Well, that's one sourpuss' POV. No one in America is complaining.

Besides, what do you care? No one is forcing you to watch MLS.

If it's good enough for people who pay the tickets, then that's all that matters. Opinions of outside kibitzers like yourself are really inconsequential and irrelevant.
Want to give a reason? Football in the USA has seen Pele, Beckham and Beckenbauer among others and still is no bigger than domestic leagues in countries where it sits in similar stature within the sporting culture.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 04:40 AM   #3829
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Most oval stadiums are fine for football including the MCG and its 100000 capacity will make FIFA accept it regardless of the guidelines
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Old July 17th, 2008, 09:43 AM   #3830
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Want to give a reason? Football in the USA has seen Pele, Beckham and Beckenbauer among others and still is no bigger than domestic leagues in countries where it sits in similar stature within the sporting culture.
Because unlike certain peoples, Americans are NOT a one-sport people. That's why. If a 'balance in life' reason isn't good enough for you, then I can't help you.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 10:38 AM   #3831
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Most oval stadiums are fine for football including the MCG and its 100000 capacity will make FIFA accept it regardless of the guidelines
Not so much a case of FIFA being bothered by the shape of the stadium, more the name of the place - that it is named specifically for a sport other than football. Olympic Stadiums are different - not named for a specific sport, more named for an organisation which represents an 'ideal'.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 11:30 AM   #3832
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Yeah there's a reason Twickenham won't be used in an English world cup even though it's the 2nd largest stadium in London.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 12:30 PM   #3833
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Not so much a case of FIFA being bothered by the shape of the stadium, more the name of the place - that it is named specifically for a sport other than football. Olympic Stadiums are different - not named for a specific sport, more named for an organisation which represents an 'ideal'.
I dont think FIFA has encountered such a situation before so nobody knows how they would react to the name
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Old July 17th, 2008, 04:43 PM   #3834
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Besides, what do you care? No one is forcing you to watch MLS.
I don't care. I'm just saying that FIFA has only awarded the cup twice to countries where football is the number one sport, with huge support and where it is on TV, radio and newspapers all year round. Even these countries had to wait at least 32 years.


I can't imagine having the word cricket in the name having and REAL significance. Just seems stupid to me.
The Final in 94 was played at the Pasadena Rose Bowl (a term meaning college American football game).




On another point:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...001021,00.html

The Beijing organising committee has also restricted the size of national flags to 1m by 2m to ensure spectators do not block the vision of nearby fans.

Bans have also been slapped on musical instruments, whistles, long-handle umbrellas, animals - other than guide dogs - loudspeakers, radios and food and drink.

Drunkenness, nudity and gambling are also banned from Olympic venues.

China has already issued a range of restrictions on foreigners during the Games, including a ban on protests and sleeping outside during the Olympics.

It has also slashed the number of visas - and visit duration limits - to tourists.

Foreign journalists have also been warned they will not be permitted to interview members of the public without first lodging a form with officials.




Apparently Bibles are also going to be banned, though I don't see how they are going to do this, and this might be just the media blowing up the story because it seems a bit far fetched to me.





The banners and t-shirt ban is bad enough, but along with the restrictions on tourist visa's, FIFA would be seeing this as a major negative for hosting a world cup in China.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 05:02 PM   #3835
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Is anyone on here responsible for The 2018 World Cup page on Wikipedia? Apparently Qatar are officially bidding... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_bids
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Old July 17th, 2008, 05:05 PM   #3836
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It's like a bad joke...
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Old July 17th, 2008, 05:50 PM   #3837
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The Final in 94 was played at the Pasadena Rose Bowl (a term meaning college American football game).
So what? U seem so stuck on semantics.

If it was so objectionable to FIFA, then they would have said no. It seems to me that it's only prissy minds who can't think outside of a traditional stadium who are having a hard time with this. These fans, yourself includied, should just get over it.

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Old July 17th, 2008, 06:27 PM   #3838
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Spain may bid for 2018 World Cup

MADRID (AFP) — Spain may compete with England to stage the 2018 World Cup, Spanish media said Thursday, a day after a meeting of the country's football federation.

The head of the federation, Angel Maria Villar, suggested Spain's candidature during the meeting, and was backed by Secretary of State for Sport Jaime Lissavetzky as well as the president of Barcelona football club, Joan Laporta.

The next World Cups are to take place in South Africa in 2010 and in Brazil in 2014.

Only England has so far announced its candidature for 2018. But Belgium and The Netherlands have shown interest in a joint bid, and Russia, Australia and the United States have also been mentioned.

World football's governing body, FIFA, is to announce its choice in 2011.

FIFA President Joseph Blatter in April urged Spain to present its candidature, possibly in a joint bid with Portugal.

Portugal has said it is interested, and the head of the country's football federation, Gilberto Madail, said in May he would raise the issue with Spanish authorities.

A joint Spanish-Portuguese bid was not mentioned during Wednesday's meeting in Madrid.

Spain, which won the Euro 2008 tournament this month, staged the World Cup in 1982.

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Old July 18th, 2008, 01:41 AM   #3839
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Portugal's recent hosting of Euro 2004 will surely affect a joint Portugese/Spanish bid so Spain are better off bidding alone. They've already got some decent stadia and have another ten years to improve before the tournament.
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Is anyone on here responsible for The 2018 World Cup page on Wikipedia? Apparently Qatar are officially bidding... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_bids
so what ? you are not the one thats losing there money, let us try our luck... we will just keep bidding again and again...
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