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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old August 26th, 2008, 09:45 AM   #4001
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It certainly isnt going anywhere other than Europe in 2018
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Old August 26th, 2008, 10:10 AM   #4002
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It certainly isnt going anywhere other than Europe in 2018
I dont believe so either.

However 2018 NOT going to Europe could have its benifits for the US bid. Then again it could be its entire downfall.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 12:00 PM   #4003
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2018 is going to Europe for sure and it won't hurt the USA/Australia's chances for the 2022 WC.

I don't see why it would affect the USA's bid...
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Old August 26th, 2008, 12:34 PM   #4004
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2018 is going to Europe for sure and it won't hurt the USA/Australia's chances for the 2022 WC.

I don't see why it would affect the USA's bid...
Australia can't get 2022. It is bidding for 2018. Under the concurrent awarding system a country can only bid for EITHER not both events. Thus a loss in 2018 means nothing until at least 2026.

If England wins 2018, its lcean sailing for the US in 2022. If Australia pulls off 2018 it will benifit from not having England in the 2022 race.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 02:10 PM   #4005
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How new is this concurrent bidding rule? Where did you hear about it?

Ive never heard of it before but it makes a lot of sense to have such a rule in place.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 03:03 PM   #4006
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Australia can't get 2022. It is bidding for 2018. Under the concurrent awarding system a country can only bid for EITHER not both events. Thus a loss in 2018 means nothing until at least 2026.

If England wins 2018, its lcean sailing for the US in 2022. If Australia pulls off 2018 it will benifit from not having England in the 2022 race.
That's just early conjecturing on how the countries will bid and how FIFA will award the years, etc.

What if all the countries decided to bid for 2018 only, i.e., no ONE wants to wait for 2022? Wouldn't that be embarrassing for FIFA?

No. What is going to happen is FIFA will broker a deal with the 2 countries they feel are most likely the best for them -- just as they summarily anointed Africa/RSA to be the 2010 host, and 2014 to South America/Brazil.

Think about it. It will backfire on them if they let the bidders decide the year and stick to that.

The whole point of awarding 2018-2022 together is that they wouldn't have uncertainty for 8 years, quell the unending rivalries and speculation, and really give the 2022 (and therefore all succeeding hosts as well) host some 11 years' prep time. After the top 7 or 8 countries, you really aren't going to get any more than that who can afford to stage this event larger than the Olympics.

To woohoo, here's the link: http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/austr...up-bid-118960/

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Old August 26th, 2008, 08:49 PM   #4007
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That's just early conjecturing on how the countries will bid and how FIFA will award the years, etc.

What if all the countries decided to bid for 2018 only, i.e., no ONE wants to wait for 2022? So, wouldn't that be embarrassing for FIFA?

No. What is going to happen is FIFA will broker a deal with the 2 countries they feel are most likely the best for them -- just as they summarily anointed Africa/RSA to be the 2010 host, and 2014 to South America/Brazil.

Think about it. It will backfire on them if they let the bidders decide the year and stick to that.

The whole point of awarding 2018-2022 together is that they wouldn't have uncertainty for 8 years, quell the unending rivalries and speculation, and really give the 2022 (and therefore all succeeding hosts as well) some 11 years' prep time. After the top 7 or 8 countries, you really aren't going to get any more than that who can afford to stage this event larger than the Olympics.
so the 2018 will be in a powerful contrie,europe the best decision,and the 2022 a contrie that needs time to evolve australia,china,usa... but i stil belive that china would be the best contrie for 2022 ... and as 2026 must be europe again... only one of this 3 contries will see the 2022 wc, its a strong competition, and fifa is not stupid... what ever they decide,it must be a succes... so they whant evriting perfect... so they won't compromise anithing whit usa or australia... ex:Beijing 2008 was a complete succes... (not that sydney 2000 or altanta 1996 were desasters...) but in asia there is more space to evolve then the other 2 contries...
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Old August 26th, 2008, 08:59 PM   #4008
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For everybody who doesn't live in America, soccer is somewhat big here, just the MLS isn't big. I know tons of people who hate the MLS but like watching European teams with better players.

Also, the World Cup in 2006 had high ratings in America. It would succeed if America hosted it, and between the New Cowboys Stadium, New Giants Stadium, University of Pheonix Stadium, Gillette Field, LA Memorial Coliseum, and the list goes on of world class venues that could host games. America would not have to do any preparation in terms of construction of stadiums because we have way more than enough.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 09:51 PM   #4009
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For everybody who doesn't live in America, soccer is somewhat big here, just the MLS isn't big. I know tons of people who hate the MLS but like watching European teams with better players.

Also, the World Cup in 2006 had high ratings in America. It would succeed if America hosted it, and between the New Cowboys Stadium, New Giants Stadium, University of Pheonix Stadium, Gillette Field, LA Memorial Coliseum, and the list goes on of world class venues that could host games. America would not have to do any preparation in terms of construction of stadiums because we have way more than enough.
New Cowboys Stadium is realy cool but fifa will have the final word...

uefa always had strange decisions at first glance but puled it off very nicely at the end... ex:portugal over austria/hungary for euro 2004 , austria/switz over greace/turky(with much better and bigger stadia) , poland/ukraine over italy ...and so on...

so even if the usa seames perfect,fifa may not do so...
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Old August 27th, 2008, 06:03 AM   #4010
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China will host a most exceptional world cup in 2022.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 09:04 AM   #4011
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I dont think Beijing 2008 was perfect:
First half of Olympics stadiums were half empty.
Second Half Olympics many events (Softball, Voleyball etc etc) were still empty.
Athletes families refused entry to events which were almost completely empty.

Draconian security policies:
Designated protest area void of protests.
Thousands of Chinese citizens arrested and jailed (still in jail).
Visitors banned from visiting large portions of the city even from good vantage points for cycling.

Extreme difficulty of obtaining visa to enter the country during the event.

Lying to the IOC and the world about allowing journalists and visitors access to various areas and to talk and interview citizens.

Lying to the IOC and Journalists that there would be free access to the internet (which there wasn't).


The main problem I see is the security measures ion place during the Olympics would be extremely difficult to implement during a WC, and more importantly would basically spoil the fun.
T shirts with writing were banned.
Drums, horns, instruments etc were banned.
Being drunk was banned.
Flags other than national flags were banned.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...001021,00.html

how these rules would be enforced for 4 million football fans, travelling in groups of thousands from city to city is beyond me.

Picture 40,000 travelling English fans, and 50,000 travelling German fans. What happens when they cant get tickets? What happens when they want to celebrate after they win a match? What happens when they want to bring banners into the stadium?

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Old August 27th, 2008, 09:54 AM   #4012
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For everybody who doesn't live in America, soccer is somewhat big here, just the MLS isn't big. I know tons of people who hate the MLS but like watching European teams with better players.

Also, the World Cup in 2006 had high ratings in America. It would succeed if America hosted it, and between the New Cowboys Stadium, New Giants Stadium, University of Pheonix Stadium, Gillette Field, LA Memorial Coliseum, and the list goes on of world class venues that could host games. America would not have to do any preparation in terms of construction of stadiums because we have way more than enough.
But you have to remember that Pheonix will suffer from 14 odd years of intense heat so might need slight upgrade. Coliseum - world class???


Also you have to remember that people want to travel to big party cities. So look at up-grading Dolphins, Soldiers, NO, etc. But no doubt no where in the world compares to the stadium infrastructure of the US.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 09:55 AM   #4013
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China will host a most exceptional world cup in 2022.
Problem is.

So will Australia in 2022

So will USA in 2022

So will Spain in 2022 (If England miss out in 2018)
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Old August 27th, 2008, 09:57 AM   #4014
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For everybody who doesn't live in America, soccer is somewhat big here, just the MLS isn't big. I know tons of people who hate the MLS but like watching European teams with better players.

Also, the World Cup in 2006 had high ratings in America. It would succeed if America hosted it, and between the New Cowboys Stadium, New Giants Stadium, University of Pheonix Stadium, Gillette Field, LA Memorial Coliseum, and the list goes on of world class venues that could host games. America would not have to do any preparation in terms of construction of stadiums because we have way more than enough.
Soccer is big in China and Australia as well. Difference is, the game is growing in these countries not only in participation but at the national league level.


Btw.... Hows your public transport to these stadiums? Not trolling, just a question.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 01:15 PM   #4015
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Soccer is big in China and Australia as well. Difference is, the game is growing in these countries not only in participation but at the national league level.


Btw.... Hows your public transport to these stadiums? Not trolling, just a question.
the olympic soccer tournament turnd ok...

stadia is not the only problem...acomodation,medical conditions ,public service...everiting must be perfect...but the polution in beijing is a killer...wile the usa is realy ahead... why not try for 2018?
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Old August 28th, 2008, 07:48 PM   #4016
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Australia can't get 2022. It is bidding for 2018. Under the concurrent awarding system a country can only bid for EITHER not both events. Thus a loss in 2018 means nothing until at least 2026.

If England wins 2018, its lcean sailing for the US in 2022. If Australia pulls off 2018 it will benifit from not having England in the 2022 race.

England 2018 is almost fixed (80%- last World Cup in 1966, all other top football nations in Europe hosted a WC - Germany 1974/2006, Italy 1990, France 1998, Spain 1982.)
2022 will be Asia's or Australia's turn, the american continent will be the host of the 2014 World Cup.
2026 - Africa, 2030 Europe, 2034 America
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2030-argentina/uruguay most probabli
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Old August 29th, 2008, 12:11 PM   #4018
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the olympic soccer tournament turnd ok...

stadia is not the only problem...acomodation,medical conditions ,public service...everiting must be perfect...but the polution in beijing is a killer...wile the usa is realy ahead... why not try for 2018?
Because any country other than England really shouldnt bother bidding.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 04:16 PM   #4019
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Problem is.

So will Australia in 2022

So will USA in 2022

So will Spain in 2022 (If England miss out in 2018)

I think it's safe to assume that England will be getting the cup ion 2018.

So we have:

2010: South Africa

2014: Brazil

2018: England (they have to be the clear choice)

2022: United States

2026: Australia/Spain

While some of these projections are almost 20 years away, they seem like the most obvious in my mind. I really don't believe China will see the World Cup before the United States sees it again, or Australia or Spain. FIFA has followed the pattern where the World Cup s played in Europe every other time, the exception being the upcoming 2010 and 2014 cup.

England is the clear winner of the 2018 bid and I think a return to the United States is coming for 2022. The main problem I see with having the World Cup in China or Australia is the travel. Given the long distance and the large expense of going from Europe, Africa and South America to that region leads to lower traveling numbers.

Outside of Europe and South America, perhaps the two big soccer power continents, the United States makes for one of the best stages as it is close to Europe and South America and also there are massive numbers of foreign born residents in this country.
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2022 will be Asia's or Australia's turn, the american continent will be the host of the 2014 World Cup.
Uh-huh. You mean the SOUTH American continent. North and South are 2 DIFFERENT, detached continents last I looked. Asia last hosted in 2002.

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