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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 01:55 PM   #4241
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Is a 5 horse race between

1. England
2. Spain
3. China
4. U.S.A.
5 Australia

or is changed the situation?

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Old December 22nd, 2008, 02:01 PM   #4242
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According to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_world_cup

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Confirmed bidders:
Australia
Belgium/Netherlands/Luxembourg
England
Portugal/Spain
Russia

Unconfirmed bidders:
Canada
Japan
China
Mexico
USA
There's been a lot of talk about China, but so far no indications they will bid as far as I know.
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 02:03 PM   #4243
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Townsville wouldn't need to be used. Canberra could be the 9th city to host matches, with SFS stadium as a reserve ground.

Aren't three of the host cities populations under 400,000? Or do you guys calculate city populations differently (metro/urban/city)?
Rustenburg - 395K
Polokwane - 302K
Nelspruit - 221K

Just out of curiosity, what are average attendance figures for SR premier league games? On one source i found they were very high but on another very low so I have no idea?
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 02:14 PM   #4244
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Lol, just remember the state of stadia in your country before the winning WC bid was announced.

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Regarding the state of stadia in South Africa.
Are you referring to the 7 existing well used stadia that formed the foundation of our bid for 2006 and 2010.

You know the Ellis Park, Newlands, Kings Park, Soccer City, Loftus Versfeld, Royal Bafokeng, Free State Stadium that have been used all these years to host Rugby World Cup matches and Tri Nations and International Test Matches and Super 12/14. Are these the ones you are referring to?

pfft..state of your stadia.


I said Australia is capable but that IMO, i.e. my personal opinion I dont think they are going to win 2018 or 2022. That's not saying Australia is incapable or would not have the required infrastructure.

Votes win a world cup bid. It is my opinion i.e. personal opinion i.e. ignoring infrastructure, that Australia will not get enough votes to beat England for 2018 or a China or USA for 2022.
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 02:20 PM   #4245
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Townsville wouldn't need to be used. Canberra could be the 9th city to host matches, with SFS stadium as a reserve ground.

Aren't three of the host cities populations under 400,000? Or do you guys calculate city populations differently (metro/urban/city)?
Rustenburg - 395K
Polokwane - 302K
Nelspruit - 221K

Just out of curiosity, what are average attendance figures for SR premier league games? On one source i found they were very high but on another very low so I have no idea?
Premier League Soccer Matches don't pull in the crowds. Its the rugby matches that do, hence the stadium sharing agreements. Ellis Park, Loftus Versfeld, Royal Bafokeng, Kings Park, Newlands and Free State Stadium are used by both rugby and soccer. In some cases football clubs have now got part ownership of these stadia.

Polokwane and Nelspruit would only host four first Round Matches.

For OZ, I'd stick with a 7 city 8 stadium bid. Sydney hosting matches at two venues.
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 03:14 PM   #4246
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I said Australia is capable but that IMO, i.e. my personal opinion I dont think they are going to win 2018 or 2022. That's not saying Australia is incapable or would not have the required infrastructure.

Votes win a world cup bid. It is my opinion i.e. personal opinion i.e. ignoring infrastructure, that Australia will not get enough votes to beat England for 2018 or a China or USA for 2022.
I have always been interested in the infrastructure possibility of Australia hosting a WC, rather than the politics (which is much more difficult to accurately analyse). Im in agreement with you, Infrastructure wise Australia is capable (Stadiums need work), but it is unlikely to get the votes.

That said Im sure the current voting system is likely to throw in some surprises (which isn't difficult with so many bids coming from such a varied array of countries).
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 04:54 PM   #4247
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Japan has confirmed bid for 2018 or 2022:

http://11freunde.de/newsticker/11670...022_ausrichten

Sorry, only in German.
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 06:59 PM   #4248
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They do have the stadiums but it's too early after 2002 imo.
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 07:02 PM   #4249
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Far, far too early. I think even for the US, a much bigger country who hosted 8 years previously, 2018 is too soon. Japan is just being greedy.
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 08:10 PM   #4250
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Mexico 1986-1970 = 16 years
USA 2022-1994 = 28! Even in 2018 with 24 years seems way enough! But that's for England anyway. In the case Europe would have taken 2014 i think USA could have taken 2018, maybe moving the main action from the west to the east coast could have been a nice idea.
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 09:21 PM   #4251
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Mexico stepped in for Columbia for 1986. Saying Mexico had it twice within a 16 year period is not an argument in favour of Japan.
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 10:08 PM   #4252
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They do have the stadiums but it's too early after 2002 imo.
I agree with you.

I'd like to see WC 2018 in Russia or like second choice in Spain/Portugal.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 12:58 AM   #4253
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Portugal/Spain seems logical, but spain does not need Portugal to host it.

So I asked myself if a Portugal/Morocco bid would make sense, it convinced my other me. Both are to small to host it alone, but together they would bring along a decent combination as both theoretically should be able to host a 16 team tournament and surely they do so.

What other interconfederationals bids are thinkable. Maybe Egypt/Saudi Arabia.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 01:06 AM   #4254
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What other interconfederationals bids are thinkable. Maybe Egypt/Saudi Arabia.
Greece/Turkey seems to most possible for a eventual Euro...geographicly speaking since Turkey has only a small part of its country in Europe.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 01:15 AM   #4255
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I agree with you.

I'd like to see WC 2018 in Russia or like second choice in Spain/Portugal.
I think England deserves its turn ahead of Spain. England last hosted in 1966. Spain, as recently as 1982.

Russia, however.....yes, it's possible to make a very good case (even better than England's) for them to host the World Cup. They've never had that honour before.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 02:21 AM   #4256
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What other interconfederationals bids are thinkable. Maybe Egypt/Saudi Arabia.
Australia New Zealand? (Australia is part of Asian confederation, NZ is Oceania) Though this won't happen.

I thought FIFA was against two countries hosting from separate confederations?
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 06:49 AM   #4257
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Australia New Zealand? (Australia is part of Asian confederation, NZ is Oceania) Though this won't happen.

I thought FIFA was against two countries hosting from separate confederations?
They've said something along the lines of "so long as it was ONE bid from one organizing committee" they woulnd't be so bothered. The chief problem with Korea/Japan was that it was two bids smashed together, and both parties constantly felt like they were getting the bad end of the deal.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 07:06 AM   #4258
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For OZ, I'd stick with a 7 city 8 stadium bid. Sydney hosting matches at two venues.
For me, the biggest political and practical issue for an Aussie bid will be the 'second venue' situation.

Melbourne (3.8 mill) and Sydney (4.3 mill) both have population reasons for wanting two venues. Both have excellent facilities and it's very easy to put an argument forward for either city to get a brand new football stadium for a world cup (a real beauty fit for a final). Due to the rivalry between the two cities, there would also be political trouble from whichever city lost out.

However Melbourne has no 'local' likely World Cup venues, whilst Sydney has Newcastle less than 100 miles away, Wollongong less than 50 miles away.

From a practical issue, Perth is so far from everyone else (the next closest venue to them would be in Adelaide - well over 2000 miles away!) that it would almost make sense for them to have a second venue so that World Cup games could be played 'geographically' with a group in Perth. I suppose one way around that would be to build a venue in Perth and another in Fremantle.

As I've said before - I think the success of an Aussie bid (in terms of it's benefits to Aussie sports and the population) would be reliant on the building of 'working' multi-purpose venues in most major cities as part of a larger than 'just' the world cup program. I'm sure that rugby, cricket, AFL AND football would all be delighted if a dozen new stadiums were built in places like Perth, Fremantle, Adelaide, Geelong, Hobart, Canberra, Wollongong, Newcastle, Townsville, and even Darwin. (Please note - not all would have to be to world cup scale - Darwin for example would be a 20k, but constructed in order that the NT didn't get left out).
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 08:59 AM   #4259
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I also think that 2018 or 2022 is too early for Japan. But one of these or the 2026 WC should be hosted by an AFC-country (China or Australia).

My proposed venues:

2018 England
2022 Canada or USA
2026 China or Australia

I don't think that another european country has a real chance against England.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 12:42 PM   #4260
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china is a growing contrie...bla bla... is a big economic power..bla bla....

ok...and it has to showoff... and demonstrate ther importance and capability... and i am shure that they will bid for every wc until they get it...
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