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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 02:03 PM   #4261
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Regarding the state of stadia in South Africa.
Are you referring to the 7 existing well used stadia that formed the foundation of our bid for 2006 and 2010.

You know the Ellis Park, Newlands, Kings Park, Soccer City, Loftus Versfeld, Royal Bafokeng, Free State Stadium that have been used all these years to host Rugby World Cup matches and Tri Nations and International Test Matches and Super 12/14. Are these the ones you are referring to?

pfft..state of your stadia.


I said Australia is capable but that IMO, i.e. my personal opinion I dont think they are going to win 2018 or 2022. That's not saying Australia is incapable or would not have the required infrastructure.

Votes win a world cup bid. It is my opinion i.e. personal opinion i.e. ignoring infrastructure, that Australia will not get enough votes to beat England for 2018 or a China or USA for 2022.
My point was, South Africa can build all of these new stadia to host a WC. So can we..... TBH, there really wasn't anything too great stadium wise in South Africa before the winning WC bid, but that's all changing now.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 02:52 PM   #4262
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EL PRESIDENTE DE LA RFEF ABOGA POR UNA APUESTA CONJUNTA

Villar: "La candidatura de España para el Mundial'18 debe ser con Portugal"



El presidente de la Real Federación Española de Fútbol (RFEF), Angel María Villar, consideró que el año 2008 "ha sido sensacional y pasará a la historia del deporte español", al tiempo que de cara a los objetivos de futuro abogó por que España presente una candidatura para albergar el Mundial de 2018 "con Portugal".

"El año 2008 ha sido sensacional, pasará a la historia de nuestro deporte y en especial por haber ganado el campeonato de Europa, brillantemente conquistado por la selección española", destacó Villar en la tradicional comida navideña con los medios de comunicación.

Aprovechando que su discurso concluyó a las 12 de la noche, Villar brindó por el feliz cumpleaños del seleccionador nacional, Vicente Del Bosque, que este 23 de diciembre de 2008 cumple 58 años.

En su discurso, Villar valoró el "gran éxito" del título conquistado en Austria y Suiza, y se congratuló "de la reacción espontánea de millones de personas, hecho que demuestra la trascendencia de este deporte". "Estamos esperanzados en seguir consiguiendo éxitos similares en el futuro", recalcó el máximo mandatario, que recordó la trascendencia que supone que España lidere el ranking mundial de la FIFA.

Villar, que volvió a agradecer al fútbol español haberle reelegido como presidente, expresó sus deseos para el futuro 2009. "Lo primero, clasificarnos para la fase final del Mundial de 2010, después tratar de ganar la Copa de las Confederaciones y presentar una candidatura fuerte, consistente y ganadora para el Mundial de 2018", enumeró. "Personalmente, opino que debe ser con Portugal. También nos hace falta un Gobierno dispuesto a ello, porque ni una Federación ni un Gobierno sólo pueden conseguirlo", consideró.

El mandatario, que confía en poder ver a España organizando un Mundial, desveló otros dos objetivos para el año entrante: la celebración del centenario de la Real Federación Española de Fútbol y la inauguración de un museo del fútbol español, que se está preparando en la propia Ciudad del Fútbol de Las Rozas.

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Villar anuncia candidatura ibérica ao Mundial'2018
PORTUGAL E ESPANHA CORREM JUNTOS

O presidente da Federação espanhola, Angel Villar, anunciou ontem oficialmente durante o jantar de Natal do organismo a que preside a apresentação de uma candidatura conjunta com Portugal à organização do Mundial’2018.

Villar disse ainda ir iniciar as negociações do apoio oficial do governo espanhol no início de 2009.

Source: http://www.record.pt/noticia.asp?id=816985&idCanal=488

Well, it's official: Spain will bid with Portugal, that's Villar's wish. Now they're trying to convince their respective governments.
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That is going to be a very, very fierce competitor to the possible England bid. I also think that unfortunately this bid outclasses the Belgium-Netherlands bid as well. But it is not only on pints that you win the right to host the WC Football, so maybe "we" still have a chance.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 03:11 PM   #4264
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Why with Portugal?
Spain has got so many big stadiums.
12 stadia and 3 Portugal and 9 Spain?
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 03:30 PM   #4265
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IMO Spain would be better off without Portugal. Not that Portugal is not a great country, but any hint of a binational bid would suggest that Spain is not capable on its own. In addition FIFA would just prefer a single bid.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 03:30 PM   #4266
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Why with Portugal?
Spain has got so many big stadiums.
12 stadia and 3 Portugal and 9 Spain?


A reason could be to strengthen the economy on the whole of the Iberian peninsula and to spread some of the organisation costs. And with Porto and Lisbon they add another cities which are situated at the coast line. That always makes for nice pictures, and all are nice cities to stay in. The expected weather is also a bonus compared to Engeland or Belgium-Netherlands.

Madrid would be the exception of course since it is the central city on the Iberian peninsula. But would the final go to the renovated and expanded Camp Nou with a possible 106.000 seats?
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 03:34 PM   #4267
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It gives the bid an element of being able to say "well, this country hasn't hosted before." England will not be able to say that. Spain on its own vs England would be a 1982 host vs a 1966 host and the balance would be firmly in favour of England. Adding Portugal into the mix shakes things up a bit. I'm sure that has more to do with it than the Spanish being benevolent towards their neighbours!
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 03:45 PM   #4268
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Good point RobH

1. Barcelona 98,000-106,000 (although IMO they will just modernize camp cou. so maybe 95,000)
2. Madrid 80,000
3. Madrid 73,000
4. Valencia 75,000
5. Sevilla 64,000
6. Lisbon 65,000
7. Lisbon 50,000
8. Porto 50,000
9. Bilbao 58,000
10. Zaragoza 50,0000
11. ?
12 ?
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 03:47 PM   #4269
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Australia FTW, England must be kidding with this bid imo..
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 03:51 PM   #4270
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Why?
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 03:53 PM   #4271
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I am from Portugal and I am totally against this bid with Spain... We have so many problems and now we will spend money in this ridiculous World Cup that will bring nothing good to the country...
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Australia FTW, England must be kidding with this bid imo..
???

Not sure what you're trying to say. Why must England be kidding?
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 03:56 PM   #4273
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I am from Portugal and I am totally against this bid with Spain... We have so many problems and now we will spend money in this ridiculous World Cup that will bring nothing good to the country...
Surely you have the stadiums in place from Euro 2004. Spain will provide the biggest stadiums. I can't see anything other than a profit coming from this tournament from Portugal's perspective; surely the costs will be far outweighed by the visitors, media, global attention etc. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I am from Portugal and I am totally against this bid with Spain... We have so many problems and now we will spend money in this ridiculous World Cup that will bring nothing good to the country...
I think with a WC a country makes profit?!?!
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It gives the bid an element of being able to say "well, this country hasn't hosted before." England will not be able to say that. Spain on its own vs England would be a 1982 host vs a 1966 host and the balance would be firmly in favour of England. Adding Portugal into the mix shakes things up a bit. I'm sure that has more to do with it than the Spanish being benevolent towards their neighbours!
Good point. A joint bid helps to redress the balance in Spain's favour in terms of when they last hosted the World Cup.

It also probably guarantees Spain / Portugal the Latin vote (in Europe as well as South America). But they would most likely have won that anyway.

However, I believe that a joint bid also has the potential to weaken their position. FIFA accepts that, on occasion, joint bids may be necessary. But they far prefer bids to be made by just one country. Prime reason being that whenever there are two World Cup finals hosts, there will inevitably be one less qualifying place.

That's bad for any continent but especially bad for Europe, which provides so many of the best teams.

I suspect that some key FIFA votes will be lost because of the joint bid. As many as those votes that will be gained? That's the $64,000 question.
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Surely you have the stadiums in place from Euro 2004. Spain will provide the biggest stadiums. I can't see anything other than a profit coming from this tournament from Portugal's perspective; surely the costs will be far outweighed by the visitors, media, global attention etc. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The problem is Portugal "rulers"! The corruption is devastating this country and this WC will nothing more that an excuse to "recover some stadiums", money to publicity, money to new hotels, money to new roads.... And this would be ok, the problem is if the "projected" cost is 300 million euros, the final cost will be 700 million euros!!!

This will be a big excuse to the Portuguese "elite" "stole" more money and we already have a huge "black hole" in our finance! It is always happening: Euro 2004, Expo 98, all big events that bring huge debts to the country and only a few new buildings as result.... The country is closing hospitals, schools, social support facilities because it has no money, but we will have money to this!
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"Euro 2004, Expo 98, all big events that bring huge debts to the country "

I always thought that a country makes profit which such events?
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why?
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"Euro 2004, Expo 98, all big events that bring huge debts to the country "

I always thought that a country makes profit which such events?

The "company", Portuguese State propriety, responsible for the Euro 2004 in the end had a profit of 4 million euros. That is nice, but they "forget" to put on the "calculations" the 400 million euros that the State spent on new stadiums

Even the tourism didn´t improve. The Portuguese hotels occupations rates are the same, and in some places like Algarve even drop....
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Why with Portugal?
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12 stadia and 3 Portugal and 9 Spain?
They decided 8-4.
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