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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 08:00 PM   #4301
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Good point RobH

1. Barcelona 98,000-106,000 (although IMO they will just modernize camp cou. so maybe 95,000)
2. Madrid 80,000
3. Madrid 73,000
4. Valencia 75,000
5. Sevilla 72,000
6. Lisbon 65,000
7. Lisbon 50,000
8. Porto 50,000
9. Bilbao 58,000
10. Zaragoza 50,000
11. San Sebastian 42.000
12. A Coruna with renovations to 40.000 from 35.000
10 Different cities, 12 stadiums even though Portugal would only have 3 stadiums.
With a small effort, Spain can do it on they're own.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 08:30 PM   #4302
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10 Different cities, 12 stadiums even though Portugal would only have 3 stadiums.
With a small effort, Spain can do it on they're own.
But, as you can see, that would be with two stadiums in Madrid and in Lisbon.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 09:02 PM   #4303
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But, as you can see, that would be with two stadiums in Madrid and in Lisbon.
I don't get the point, I know there's a minimum number of cities that have to host, like Portugal in 2004...they didn't need Sporting's and Boavista's but they built an extra 2 anyway.

Spain can do it on they're own, i guess...

1.Barcelona 1 98.000
2.Barcelona 2 55.000 on Montjuic/40.000 for Espanyol New
3.Madrid 1 80.000
4.Madrid 2 72.000
5.Valencia 75.000
6.Bilbao 58,000
7.Saragossa 50,000
8.San Sebastian 42.000
9.El Riazor 35.000--->40.000

2 more stadiums.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 09:04 PM   #4304
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But, as you can see, that would be with two stadiums in Madrid and in Lisbon.


And that is against FIFA regulations which state that in a WC-bid only 1 city can have two stadiums. So another stadium is necessary to complete your list Sercan for the possible Spain-Portugal bid.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 09:19 PM   #4305
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I don't get the point, I know there's a minimum number of cities that have to host, like Portugal in 2004...they didn't need Sporting's and Boavista's but they built an extra 2 anyway.
That was a special thing.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 11:29 PM   #4306
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I don't get the point, I know there's a minimum number of cities that have to host, like Portugal in 2004...they didn't need Sporting's and Boavista's but they built an extra 2 anyway.
Sporting stadium is the official Lisbon WC.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 04:59 AM   #4307
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And that is against FIFA regulations which state that in a WC-bid only 1 city can have two stadiums.
I'm sure that if you ask FIFA nicely they may concede on two stadiums in two cities...
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Old December 24th, 2008, 05:49 AM   #4308
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I'm sure that if you ask FIFA nicely they may concede on two stadiums in two cities...
because FIFA loves to accommodate everybody...
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Old December 24th, 2008, 06:09 AM   #4309
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Even 8 stadiums to 4 looks like an unbalanced bid to me and highlights the portguese inclusion as a gimmick to get round Spains recent hosting of the event. Having two stadiums in any city in such a bid would be a mistake IMHO as in spain it will lead to a large city missing out and in portugal will severly limate the spread of games.

A possible Australia vs China race for 2022 is certainly interesting, the Chinese clearly offer the larger market and most likey more investment in infrastructure but the Aussies offer a much more PC venue and the legancey of debately the best olympics in modern history plus unlike the US football is already getting mainstream coverage.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 07:57 AM   #4310
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"best olympics in modern history" :roll:

and MLS is taking off just like the AFL
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Old December 24th, 2008, 01:35 PM   #4311
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Portugal has 3 big stadiums: 2 in Lisbon 1 in Porto. But also the staium in Faro can be easily extended, becasue the 2 stands are removable and the final capacity could be 40.000 seats. That stadium is interesting also because of touristic reasons. Algarve is a pearl of portuguese tourism.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 01:40 PM   #4312
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"best olympics in modern history" :roll:
I'd agree with that. Many people would. Sydney 2000 is probably Australia's strongest argument, even 10 years on.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 02:33 PM   #4313
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One thing people here are forgetting is that the whole idea of a World Cup in Portugal and Spain came from Portugal. If it wasn't for the Portuguese FA, Spain would never thought of bidding for the World Cup. Don't you remember that?

So please don't treat us like some s... that Spain is using for their own purpose.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 02:46 PM   #4314
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One thing people here are forgetting is that the whole idea of a World Cup in Portugal and Spain came from Portugal. If it wasn't for the Portuguese FA, Spain would never thought of bidding for the World Cup. Don't you remember that?
Not really. There have been rumours about bidding for ages, but WC1982 was too close to be a real option in the past.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 02:49 PM   #4315
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I'd agree with that. Many people would. Sydney 2000 is probably Australia's strongest argument, even 10 years on.
But the Sydney 2000 Olympics are a bloody awful argument for a World Cup. Any nation with one well developed city can host the Olympics, and whether we did a fantastic job or not (and yes, we did) is irrelevent because the world cup requires at least 7 cities to have the high standard of transport and hospitality as well as a top quality, high capacity stadium.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 03:15 PM   #4316
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The expereince and infrastrcture from the Olympics can't all be heldover for the WC obviously but I don't think FIFA would ignore what a massive boast Sydney provided for the games credibility after Atlanta. That said Brazil in 2014 and potentially England in 2018 are pretty safe hosts so FIFA may feel more of a risk in 2022 is worth it.

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"best olympics in modern history" :roll:

and MLS is taking off just like the AFL
Its taking off in terms of audiences but the AFL has a FAR higher media and public profile, if the WC comes to australia it will be the focus of the nation for that summer where as the same wasnt true of the US in 94 and may not be now.

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Old December 24th, 2008, 03:15 PM   #4317
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But the Sydney 2000 Olympics are a bloody awful argument for a World Cup. Any nation with one well developed city can host the Olympics, and whether we did a fantastic job or not (and yes, we did) is irrelevent because the world cup requires at least 7 cities to have the high standard of transport and hospitality as well as a top quality, high capacity stadium.
Melbourne Commonwealth Games? Rugby World Cup 2003? Rugby League World Cup 2008? (OK OK, we'll scratch that one!) FINA Swimming Championships? Formula 1, Rally Australia? Australia has the runs on the board across the country hosting high profile and complex yet well organized international events. Perth definitely has a stadium problem and might very well need extra time to solve that problem though! lol
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Old December 24th, 2008, 03:37 PM   #4318
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Australia has all possibilities to organize World cup. You have several cities with good infrastructure and of course you have to build some new stadiums like everywhere.

Possible venues:

1. CANBERRA: Canberra Stadium - 25.000 (you can easily expend it to 40.000)
2. SYDNEY: ANZ Stadium - 83.500 (almost new)
3. NEWCASTLE: EnergyAustralia Stadium - 26.000 (needs renovation)
4. BRISBANE Suncorp Stadium - 52.500 (it's a new stadium)
5. ADELAIDE: Hindmarsh Stadium 16.500 (needs to be enlarged) or AAMI Stadium - 51.500 (needs renovation)
6. MELBOURNE: Melbourne Cricket Ground - 100.000
7. MELBOURNE: Telstra Dome- 56.300 (almost new)
8. ADELAIDE: Subiaco Oval - 43.000 (needs renovation)

So, you only have to find 2 more places to build new (at least 40.000 seats) stadiums.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 03:54 PM   #4319
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But the Sydney 2000 Olympics are a bloody awful argument for a World Cup. Any nation with one well developed city can host the Olympics, and whether we did a fantastic job or not (and yes, we did) is irrelevent because the world cup requires at least 7 cities to have the high standard of transport and hospitality as well as a top quality, high capacity stadium.
It's not a great technical argument, but it's a very strong emotional one in my opinion. Sydney 2000 was far and away the best Olympics I've seen and the people of Australia made it so. I think you're underselling yourselves a bit.

Of course, a brilliant technical plan is needed, but Sydney 2000 shouldn't be ignored by your bidding team as I think people outside of Australia regard it as one of the high water marks of international sports events in recent years. Sneak a few images of 2000 into your presentation materials, it won't do you any harm! If you can get FIFA to think they can have that, you'll be going down the right path and, to be fair, you're not going to have the best stadiums of all the bids so you'll need to find a different angle to sell you bid.

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Old December 24th, 2008, 04:26 PM   #4320
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One thing people here are forgetting is that the whole idea of a World Cup in Portugal and Spain came from Portugal. If it wasn't for the Portuguese FA, Spain would never thought of bidding for the World Cup. Don't you remember that?

So please don't treat us like some s... that Spain is using for their own purpose.
I don't think that's the case. Merely, some of us are confused why Spain would need to do this and how FIFA will treat it. For instance:

- Should this be considered a true joint bid (like the Belgium/Netherlands one) wherein both national teams are allowed automatic entry? Seems unfair considering Spain doesn't technically need Portugal and the plan sees Portugal offering at best four venues.

- As mentioned, Spain doesn't NEED Portugal's help, even if the cooperation yields a nice bid. I wonder what Spanish cities would be missing out on the chance to host in lieu of the Portuguese sites. And what Spanish stadiums could be improved/replaced/used if it was only a Spanish bid?

- What precedent is this setting for future World Cups? More joint bids and fewer overall host nations? This could be a good thing, but it could also mean several quality bids wait longer - Seriously, one of Spain/Portugal, Belgium/Netherlands and England will have to wait a looooong time considering the possible distribution of WC's, especially if Russia opts in in the future.

So I'm not against the joint bid and don't think others are upset. We're simply curious as to why Spain agreed to this when they have a perfectly good offering all themselves.
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