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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old January 6th, 2009, 03:21 AM   #4401
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Delegates from candidate countries are not allow to vote. The main deciding body is FIFA's 24-man executive committee. Of course we all agree that England is the biggest favourite. But, Southamerican members have 3 votes in this committee and they will surely give their votes to Spain/Portugal.
As with all voters, they will vote for the bid which is best for them. It won't be about heritage or cultural similarities, it will be about deals.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 12:47 PM   #4402
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You're clutching at straws, i've never even heard of this Latin Day and i have some latin blood in me.

Please lets not compare Racism in English Football to that of Spain

Spain's Racism problem (or maybe its just ignorance) is very obvious, to think what they did to Lewis Hamilton....

England is the most active country in stamping racism out of football whereas in countries like Spain the authorities bury their heads in the sand

As Waf said London is probably the most multicultural city in Europe and could never be a success if it wasn't so tolerant.
Now what would you have wanted? The British to do the same thing to they're own driver? Let's see the difference, Lewis is born in England and represents the British flag in that competition while the Spaniards had they're reason to attack Lewis because of the rivalry with Alonso, so i don't see no reason to take it like they just woke up suddenly. Also with that match, Spain-England as much as i remember there was a reason why the whole stadium started to attack Cole and Wright-Philips because they played pretty though on the Spanish players. The British had they're problems with the immigrants and stuff ( thing mentioned in some very known movies ) , the thing just passed and now the situation is more under control even though it's clear racists are everywhere and it's normal for countries like Spain to have more of them since they aren't that used to having black immigrants like England or France.
And about Poland, i don't know if they're problem is with the African players in the France team ( for example ) as much as the one's who play for them, I don't think there would be any big problems of this kind at the Euro, I think they're problem is more with the ones who play for them and live over there. Comparing to Romania, I didn't hear anything like this when Romania played France or The Netherlands but when there are some african players at they're own team, the fans sometimes use this as a revenge for they're mistakes or simply because they consider them low class players that have nothing to do at the team.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 01:43 PM   #4403
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I doubt very much that racial issues would be an argument raised against either a Spain or England bid. End of discussion as far as I am concerned.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 02:56 PM   #4404
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Now what would you have wanted? The British to do the same thing to they're own driver? Let's see the difference, Lewis is born in England and represents the British flag in that competition while the Spaniards had they're reason to attack Lewis because of the rivalry with Alonso, so i don't see no reason to take it like they just woke up suddenly. Also with that match, Spain-England as much as i remember there was a reason why the whole stadium started to attack Cole and Wright-Philips because they played pretty though on the Spanish players.
Certainly, there is a rivalry - an enmity, even - between Hamilton and Alonso. But that doesn't excuse any of the racist abuse that Hamilton receives from Spanish motor racing crowds. Anyway, this is a discussion about football. More than that, it is a discussion about World Cup bids and not racism, so probably best to stop stirring the pot.

As to Wright Phillips, I presume you meant "played pretty rough on the Spanish players"? In which, case, I suggest that you can't have seen Wright Phillips play very often! He is five foot nothing and just about the least rough player you could ever hope to face!
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Old January 6th, 2009, 03:15 PM   #4405
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Well, maybe i made a confusion about Wright-Philips, though it doesn't matter the stature when you slide very ugly, but i guess not him. That match was an England Shame more, most players on the pitch were rough with the Spaniards and I think it's normal when you play like that not to wait for applauses from the stands.
Another case is Eto'o when he wanted to leave the pitch, even though other black players including coach Rijkaard ( who also had some bad incidents with Voller, spitting him and running away like nothing happened ) wanted to convince him to ignore them. After all Eto'o isn't too clean himself when he spitted at a Bilbao player, things like these will attract attention anywhere and force incidents like that.

But anyway, I strongly think racism won't be put in discussion when choosing the host of the 2018 WC . Mostly because if you give it to much importance, you can only aggravate the situation IMO. And thats what Eto'o did and is always in the middle of they're attention while other black players in La Liga passed over it and aren't suffering.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 05:09 PM   #4406
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Also with that match, Spain-England as much as i remember there was a reason why the whole stadium started to attack Cole and Wright-Philips because they played pretty though on the Spanish players....That match was an England Shame more
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Oh, so the England team played rough and Lewis Hamilton was Alonso's rival! I'm glad you explained that! How silly of me for thinking the people making racist noises didn't have a good reason for it! Keep up the monkey chanting, I apologise, I obviously didn't realise quite how solid those fans' motives were!

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Old January 8th, 2009, 08:29 PM   #4407
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so as long as the teams playing spain dont tackle and just let them score, all should be fine! wouldn't want a rivalry in a world cup now would we.
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Old January 8th, 2009, 08:51 PM   #4408
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Yeah, as long as there's no difference between a tackle and a nasty foul, wouldn't want a thing like that in a world cup now would we.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 03:47 AM   #4409
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Did you know that for the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cups the minimum capacity to host the opening match or the final is 80.000?

Now... that ruins a lot of things to a lot of people...
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Old January 18th, 2009, 10:27 AM   #4410
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its not a ridiculous requirement.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 01:53 PM   #4411
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Did you know that for the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cups the minimum capacity to host the opening match or the final is 80.000?

Now... that ruins a lot of things to a lot of people...
Why's that? All bidding countries have at least 1 stadium with this capacity, or are planning to build one. It's a pretty decent requirement if you ask me. And I think this is only for the final match, not the opening?
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Old January 18th, 2009, 03:16 PM   #4412
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Did you know that for the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cups the minimum capacity to host the opening match or the final is 80.000?

Now... that ruins a lot of things to a lot of people...
Dou you have a pdf file for the other new requirements?

80k is really a lot
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Dou you have a pdf file for the other new requirements?
I don't, sorry.


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It's a decent requirement?

Now you tell me: which countries have at least one stadium with 80.000 seats? With this FIFA is reducing the number of countries with possibilities drasticly.

What about the Netherlands and Belgium?

Or Portugal and Spain... The opening and the final will have to be both in Spain... and that means Camp Nou...


The 2006 FIFA World Cup would have been impossible.

And what's the point of having both matches at the same stadium?


The truth is: FIFA wants money.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 05:10 PM   #4414
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I don't, sorry.


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It's a decent requirement?

Now you tell me: which countries have at least one stadium with 80.000 seats? With this FIFA is reducing the number of countries with possibilities drasticly.

What about the Netherlands and Belgium?
Feyenoord will build a new stadium with a capacity of 80.000. The opening will probably be in Brussels (new 65.000 stadium)
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But you need a 80k stadium for the opening ceremony
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But you need a 80k stadium for the opening ceremony
That's my point.

That wouldn't be a problem for England though, since they'll want both matches at Wembley.
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England: Wembley (and maybe OT)
Spain: Camp Nou and Bernabeu
Benelux: New Rotterdam
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sercan, what about lowering the field, adding a temporary stand with 15.000 seats and afterwards return to the original format? There is plenty of space!

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My oh my... Blatter can't hide it: FIFA just wants money!

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Sepp Blatter expects tough competition for the right to host the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, the FIFA president said on Saturday.

"We already have 10 potential bidders," Blatter told a news conference during the opening of the CIS Cup, an annual tournament involving the club champions from the 15 former Soviet republics.

"If we go from west to east we have Mexico, United States, Spain alone or together with Portugal, England, a joint bid from the Netherlands and Belgium, I do hope Russia (will bid), Japan, Qatar, China and Australia."

South Africa will host the 2010 World Cup and Brazil is due to stage the 2014 edition.

Turning to Russian soccer chief Vital Mutko, Blatter said: "I definitely expect Russia to be a candidate to host the World Cup either in 2018 or 2022."

Alexei Sorokin, general director of the Russian FA, said officials had yet to make up their mind about submitting a formal bid.

"We haven't sent an official letter to FIFA yet as we're still waiting for the government to formally endorse our bid," Sorokin told Reuters.

This week world soccer's ruling body set a Feb. 2 deadline for potential bidders to formally express their interest.

For the first time FIFA will have a simultaneous bidding process for the two events, which will be awarded to the successful candidates in December 2010.
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sercan, what about lowering the field, adding a temporary stand with 15.000 seats and afterwards return to the original format? There is plenty of space!

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But +15k?
IMO more like 5-7k.
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