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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old April 5th, 2009, 05:25 PM   #4961
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So this is not enough for England, the European Champioship ?
No, nor was it for the French who hosted Euro 84 and the World Cup 14 years later, and then Germany who hosted Euro 88 and the World Cup 18 years afterwards, who in addition have hosted it twice since England were the hosts in 1966.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 06:22 PM   #4962
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In Australia:
NRL: 3,332,648
A league: 1,382,000 (expanding to 10 teams next season, 12 teams the following season so this will increase by about 50%)
Super 14: Roughly 420,000
TOTAL: 5,134,648

AFL: 7,084,759
GRAND TOTAL: 12, 219,407 (this figure is just under total attendance for the premier league. K league is 2,489,491. Japans total for league 1 and 2 is 7,899,063).

Attending sport is HUGE pass time in Australia.
I know Australia is a small nation of 21 million souls, but even when taking that into consideration those figures aren't that remarkable.

The Netherlands and Belgium with a combined population of 27 million easily match that number using just association football league attendance, without having to count the numerous cup competitions, end of season playoffs, European matches, or other popular outside sports like field hockey.

Eredivisie: 6m
Eerste divisie: 1,25m
Hoofdklasse: 0,7m
Eerste Klasse: 3,5m
Tweede Klasse: 0,8m
Total: 12,25m

Scotland is the country with truly HUGE sports attendance, considering they only have 5 million people.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 07:28 PM   #4963
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Funny how this kind of stuff only happens with english fans...


Needless to say that the only hooligan problem we had in the tournment was also caused by english fans in Algarve
Yes. funny isn't it. Its not our porblem England take 200,000+ fans to a major tournament. I mean we even outnumbered Portugal fans in thier national stadium forthe quarter final. It wasn't that we caused any trouble. It was the fact that we were ushered to the stadium at a specific time creating a crush like scenerio. It was appaling. After that first match they were alot more organised and it was a great tournament.

I dont think there was a hooligan element to the tournament at all. English fans were very well behaived considering we took so many and any flair ups were away from the games by drunk tourists and not the fans.

Anyway cheeky ****.

One of my fellow Wolves fans was killed at Euro 2004. Stabbed in the heart while sitting down drinking by a Local man.

Did England fans in anyway whatsoever retaliate against the locals? No.



We were impeccable.

If it wasn't for English fans either half the other matches would'nt have even had been half full. The amount of England fans that went to watch the other games was incredible. WAS THERE ANY TROUBLE?

NO!

You cant moan about English fans for being passionate and travelling in numbers.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 08:38 PM   #4964
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So this is not enough for England, the European Champioship ?
Hell no.

It may be important to host a European Championship, but thats no World Cup. Its nowhere near the same.

If you do think its the same then thats a pretty Eurocentric point of view.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 04:07 AM   #4965
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One of my fellow Wolves fans was killed at Euro 2004. Stabbed in the heart while sitting down drinking by a Local man.

Did England fans in anyway whatsoever retaliate against the locals? No.

It wasn't a local. It was an Ukrainian.

You should at least read your own papers, dammit! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...on-733127.html


German vs Polish fans fight during the last World Cup? What about those English fans attacking some Portuguese fans who didn't do anything?


P.S.: By the way, what do you have to say about these peaceful drunk mates? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...icle450039.ece

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Old April 6th, 2009, 05:46 AM   #4966
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I know Australia is a small nation of 21 million souls, but even when taking that into consideration those figures aren't that remarkable.
It is considering we have 4 different football codes competing against each other.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #4967
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Well, apparently during the 2006 renovations for the commonwealth games, the lower tier was designed so that temporary seating can be attatched halfway down the bottom tier, extending the stand 25 meters onto the field. I read that from another forumer in the ozscrapers subforum, and dont know how true this is though.

Lowering the pitch wouldnt happen I thiink, as it would take too long and the AFL, the main user of the stadium, would have to play its games in interstate stadiums, which they wouldnt agree to.
I wrote that on the Austadiums site. It was never planned, I just CAD draw it to satify my own curiosity. Being done I don't see it as an option. The additional seats would raise capacity to over 120 000 which is not needed and more importantly the seating rake would not be suitable considering the current ground tier is only raked at 12 degrees, adding another 25 rows of seating at that rake or less (to preserve sitelines it couldn't be more) would be retarded, like the ground tier of the Maracana.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 04:32 PM   #4968
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One of my fellow Wolves fans was killed at Euro 2004. Stabbed in the heart while sitting down drinking by a Local man.

Did England fans in anyway whatsoever retaliate against the locals? No.
It was an ucranian immigrant.

Yeah, i wouldn't mind if you guys had throw certain immigrants away from Portugal...
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Old April 6th, 2009, 08:22 PM   #4969
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Old April 7th, 2009, 06:21 AM   #4971
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It is considering we have 4 different football codes competing against each other.

exactly
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Old April 8th, 2009, 05:28 PM   #4972
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I wrote that on the Austadiums site. It was never planned, I just CAD draw it to satify my own curiosity. Being done I don't see it as an option. The additional seats would raise capacity to over 120 000 which is not needed and more importantly the seating rake would not be suitable considering the current ground tier is only raked at 12 degrees, adding another 25 rows of seating at that rake or less (to preserve sitelines it couldn't be more) would be retarded, like the ground tier of the Maracana.
Not that we're being serious about this, but I'm not sure the capacity would go up by that much. Surely many of the extra seats gained by continuing the upper tier down to pitch-side would be cancelled out by the loss of a massive swathe of seating in the now obscured 'corners'.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 05:37 PM   #4973
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If you want to keep the context and understand the debates, you'll see that we were talking about Euro2004.

But in the my last post i said what i think about the english hooliganism problem. Go read it if you want... or keep talking alone.
I was reacting to the sweeping statement, "Funny how this kind of stuff only happens with english fans." It wasn't an attack on you, but on the general and oft repeated (not by you) belief that English supporters are trouble.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 05:38 PM   #4974
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2018: England (of Course !!)
2022: Spain/Portugal or Australia
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Old April 8th, 2009, 06:13 PM   #4975
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Hell no.

It may be important to host a European Championship, but thats no World Cup. Its nowhere near the same.

If you do think its the same then thats a pretty Eurocentric point of view.
This isn't eurocentric, but just realistic. A Euro is a World Cup without Argentina and Brazil. You play one round less which means tough opponents right from the start.
In fact the difference between both tournaments are marginal. The qualifying round is pretty much the same and the finals itself are a bit different, not much though.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 07:05 PM   #4976
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This isn't eurocentric, but just realistic. A Euro is a World Cup without Argentina and Brazil. You play one round less which means tough opponents right from the start.
In fact the difference between both tournaments are marginal. The qualifying round is pretty much the same and the finals itself are a bit different, not much though.
I agree, especially with a UEFA Euro with 24 teams against 32 for FIFA world cup !
This is much more difficult to win Euro than World cup, because there is not "small nations" like Togo or Trinidad & Tobago.... !!

Past World cup Finals (Europeans in blue) :

2006 Italy 1 - 1 France
2002 Brazil 2 - 0 Germany
1998 France 3 - 0 Brazil
1994 Brazil 0 - 0 Italy
1990 West Germany 1 - 0 Argentina
1986 Argentina 3 - 2 West Germany
1982 Italy 3 - 1 West Germany
1978 Argentina 3 - 1 aet Holland
1974 West Germany 2 - 1 Holland
1970 Brazil 4 - 1 Italy
1966 England 4 - 2 aet West Germany
1962 Brazil 3 - 1 Czechoslovakia
1958 Brazil 5 - 2 Sweden
1954 West Germany 3 - 2 Hungary
1950 Uruguay 2 - 1 Brazil
1938 Italy 4 - 2 Hungary
1934 Italy 2 - 1 aet Czechoslovakia
1930 Uruguay 4 - 2 Argentina
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Old April 8th, 2009, 07:13 PM   #4977
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This isn't eurocentric, but just realistic. A Euro is a World Cup without Argentina and Brazil. You play one round less which means tough opponents right from the start.
In fact the difference between both tournaments are marginal. The qualifying round is pretty much the same and the finals itself are a bit different, not much though.
Well, taking that in mind the "Copa America" is a World Cup without Italy, France and Germany.-
From my point of view it is eurocentric., Spain, Greece, Denmark, Rusia, etc., all of them have won or lost in the final of the Euro, but come world cup time, they don't do anything much., When you take into game different tipes of soccer styles they sometimes nulify themselfs.- Colombia's slow tempo, Ghana's whiplash offense, Japan's combativness and deceptive speed, Paraguay's defensive block, Australia's solid british mutation style, etc., In a WC only the (now) 5 big ones are allways considered as favorites: Brasil, Italy, Germany, Argentina and France., In a second tier England and Netherlands., and then it's very close between all the second tier europeans (Coatia, Greece, Portugal, etc), the Americans (US, Mexico, Paraguay, etc), the always presents Japan, Korea, Australa and the best African teams of the specific moment (Ghana, Morroco, Camerun, etc)., Come WC time the soccer world order always gets itself wright.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 07:24 PM   #4978
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8 European nations played a Final against 3 For the rest of the World !!!
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Old April 8th, 2009, 07:48 PM   #4979
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Somewhere in between I think.

I think it's probably harder to get out of the group stage of a European Championships, but the knockout stages of a World Cup are harder.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 07:57 PM   #4980
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Yes, but from 1982 to date only 3 euro's have played vs. 2 southamericans., Also from Italy 1934 to England 1966 the WC was a tournament played with more than 70% of the teams from Europe, not the 40% that stands today.
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