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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old April 8th, 2009, 07:58 PM   #4981
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Somewhere in between I think.

I think it's probably harder to get out of the group stage of a European Championships, but the knockout stages of a World Cup are harder.
Totally agree with that.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 07:58 PM   #4982
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Old April 8th, 2009, 11:51 PM   #4983
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Yes, but from 1982 to date only 3 euro's have played vs. 2 southamericans., Also from Italy 1934 to England 1966 the WC was a tournament played with more than 70% of the teams from Europe, not the 40% that stands today.
So, we all agree: FIFA world Cup is a UEFA Euro with Brazil & Argentina !!!!
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Old April 9th, 2009, 01:10 AM   #4984
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So, we all agree: FIFA world Cup is a UEFA Euro with Brazil & Argentina !!!!
Not quite., Fifa's WC is a 5 team dominated tournament (3 Euros y 2 Southamericans) were 40% of the participants are european., The Uefa Euro is an all european team tournament with NO DOMINANT ONE (last 6 tournaments have had different champ).

Using your frame of mind in the vague hypothesis that neither Germany, France, Italy or (in fact) Brazil or Argentina would classify to the WC, the tournamant would still be dominated (entirely) be european teams. That seems highly improbable., The Euro has more quality overall because there a fewer blowout games (as a hypothetical Portugal vs. Trinidad and Tobago) (also there are fewer games), but to advance beyond the 1/8 round stage is vastly more difficult in a WC.
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Old April 9th, 2009, 01:50 AM   #4985
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Not quite., Fifa's WC is a 5 team dominated tournament (3 Euros y 2 Southamericans) were 40% of the participants are european., The Uefa Euro is an all european team tournament with NO DOMINANT ONE (last 6 tournaments have had different champ).

Using your frame of mind in the vague hypothesis that neither Germany, France, Italy or (in fact) Brazil or Argentina would classify to the WC, the tournamant would still be dominated (entirely) be european teams. That seems highly improbable., The Euro has more quality overall because there a fewer blowout games (as a hypothetical Portugal vs. Trinidad and Tobago) (also there are fewer games), but to advance beyond the 1/8 round stage is vastly more difficult in a WC.
Don't forget Euro will be played with 24 Nations from 2016 and maybe 32 (as the World cup) in 2020 or 2024.........So we will see !!

For us in Europe, Euro is like the World cup, in term of TV audiences and fans in the host country !

Anyway I love world cup too, especially if France plays the Final Game !
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Old April 9th, 2009, 07:40 AM   #4986
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I wrote that on the Austadiums site. It was never planned, I just CAD draw it to satify my own curiosity. Being done I don't see it as an option. The additional seats would raise capacity to over 120 000 which is not needed and more importantly the seating rake would not be suitable considering the current ground tier is only raked at 12 degrees, adding another 25 rows of seating at that rake or less (to preserve sitelines it couldn't be more) would be retarded, like the ground tier of the Maracana.
So something like this be would not be possible at the MCG? I got this from the biggest indoor arenas thread. Its a football ground (Ford Field, Detroit) with temporary seating added for a basketball game.
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^ Yes it could be done but the rake would be appalling. A current rake of 12 degrees on the ground tier. A temp job like above would leave the ground tier with such a grade that it would be almost safe for a wheelchair ramp.
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^ Yes it could be done but the rake would be appalling. A current rake of 12 degrees on the ground tier. A temp job like above would leave the ground tier with such a grade that it would be almost safe for a wheelchair ramp.
Not only that, but the overall shape of the stadium would make it pretty difficult to do.
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Old April 10th, 2009, 05:41 PM   #4989
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In a WC only the (now) 5 big ones are allways considered as favorites: Brasil, Italy, Germany, Argentina and France., In a second tier England and Netherlands., ...
Your classification needs to be revised. England's World Cup record is at least as good as the one of France and way better than the Dutch record.
Favourites for all World Cups are Brazil, Italy and Germany only. France, England and Argentina are too inconsistent to be among the other three.
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Since 1998 France played 2 finals, just like Brazil !!
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Since 1998 France played 2 finals, just like Brazil !!
And didn't qualify for the finals twice before 1998, unlike Brazil.
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Old May 4th, 2009, 03:38 PM   #4992
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hmmm ASIA!!! by confidence the global economy is recovering faster than expected!!! ASIA!!!!
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hmmm ASIA!!! by confidence the global economy is recovering faster than expected!!! ASIA!!!!
No way Asian country will get it in 2018.. not even in theory.
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Old May 5th, 2009, 11:42 AM   #4994
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Old May 5th, 2009, 12:00 PM   #4995
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Asia for Sure
Are you guys really that ignorant about World Cup and how it works? How on earth is "Asia for Sure"?

2010 = Africa
2014 = South America
2018 = Europe
2022 = North America

Asia can only hope for 2026 games...
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Old May 5th, 2009, 12:11 PM   #4996
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i thought that they dropped the rotation policy
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Old May 5th, 2009, 12:14 PM   #4997
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i thought that they dropped the rotation policy
It was never official policy but that's just how things work. Use some logic. No way that there will be 3 tournaments in a row outside of Europe (biggest market and most participants) and no way that they'll skip USA (for obvious reasons).
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don't get me wrong i agree. It should go back to every other tournament in Europe at least.
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Old May 5th, 2009, 01:01 PM   #4999
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Are you guys really that ignorant about World Cup and how it works? How on earth is "Asia for Sure"?

2010 = Africa
2014 = South America
2018 = Europe
2022 = North America

Asia can only hope for 2026 games...
Yanks can wait til 2026. **** em.
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Old May 5th, 2009, 06:42 PM   #5000
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Bids from Qatar or Indonesia shouldn't even be considered seriously. I'm all for giving "new" countries a chance to host a WC or where football is developing but you can't expect to organise it when you don't even have a small history in football. You don't see a country like Russia organizing a WC cricket or Spain organizing a WC rugby, do you?
It's just stupid, countries like these bidding and wanting to organize a WC. This has nothing to do with football anymore but only showing off their country, improve their image, attract tourists and money, etc... You don't need to have a league like in England but at least you should have a quite decent league (like in Australia or USA) and you should have at least qualified a few times for a WC to show that you care about football and invest in the sport.

And countries like Japan or Mexico should have the decency to wait (to bid) if they already organized 1 WC lately (Japan 2002) or even 2 WC's (Mexico).

Don't forget that established countries like Spain or England with a football history of 100 years or more, organized it only once since the first one in '30.

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