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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old May 19th, 2009, 11:22 AM   #5061
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we're still better than the likes of you bobby. you american ****.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 12:04 PM   #5063
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http://www.england2018bid.com/

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Old May 19th, 2009, 12:25 PM   #5064
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England has recent football pedigree?

What do Cesc Fabregas, Cristiano Ronaldo, Jo, Nicolas Anelka, and Fernando Torres all have in common?

Since 1970, England is as successful as Scotland. In fact, less. Of Premier League winning managers: Two are Scots, none are English, unless you count Wenger since he carries a passport, his goalkeeper may well end up playing for England anyway.
JO? JO?

Are you taking the ******* piss

How low do people want to scoop to piss off English fans and forumers. Seriosuly troll. Bog off.

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JO? ...

I THINK I'VE JUST WET MYSELF.

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Oh.And Ronaldo was pants the first 3 seasons in England. If it wasn't for a British coach he'll be a medicore JO now.

Zidane and co know who the worlds best players are, likes of Shearer, Scholes and Gerrard. What do they have in common?

Gerrard, Ronaldo and Messi are currently the best. Rooney is possibly the best player at being able to play anywhere and would undopoubtedly be the best striker in the game if Ferguson didn't need to use him as a utility man.
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England has recent football pedigree?

What do Cesc Fabregas, Cristiano Ronaldo, Jo, Nicolas Anelka, and Fernando Torres all have in common?

Since 1970, England is as successful as Scotland. In fact, less. Of Premier League winning managers: Two are Scots, none are English, unless you count Wenger since he carries a passport, his goalkeeper may well end up playing for England anyway.
So what?

What has the success of a country's national team got to do with its suitability as a host for the World Cup? If it was in any way relevant, South Africa would not have been awarded WC 2010; Japan / S Korea would not have been awarded WC 2002; France would not have been awarded WC 1998; USA would not have been awarded WC 1994; Mexico (or before that, Colombia) would not have been awarded WC 1986; Spain would not have been awarded WC 1982; Argentina would not have been awarded WC 1978; Mexico would not have been awarded WC 1970; England would not have been awarded WC 1966; Chile would not have been awarded WC 1962; Sweden would not have been awarded WC 1958........

....I could go on but hopefully you've got the point by now.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 03:21 PM   #5066
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England's bid to host the World Cup, which will finally be launched at Wembley tomorrow, represents a golden opportunity for 14 cities - and one town
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In a conference suite at Wembley Stadium tomorrow, the FA chairman Lord Triesman, expected to be accompanied by David Beckham, Prime Minister Gordon Brown and a crowd of football and political dignitaries, will officially, finally, launch England's bid to bring home the World Cup in 2018 or 2022.

Among the invited guests, media and 50 local schoolchildren whose presence will signify the bid's ambition to enthuse a nation, will be representatives of 14 English cities that have declared an interest in hosting World Cup matches - plus one town, Milton Keynes.

Famed for its roundabouts, long scoffed at as a soulless new town, for some time a pariah of football following the controversial relocation of Wimbledon FC there, Milton Keynes views World Cup status as one more step in its long campaign to establish city status and a cultural identity. A cross-party delegation of local MPs and civic leaders will be at Wembley, led by Peter Winkelman, the music producer and professional Milton Keynes enthusiast, who pulled off the Wimbledon coup in 2002. Since then, he has overseen the development of the town's 21,500-seat stadium, opened by the Queen in November 2007, and as the chairman of MK Dons, steered the club to last season's promotion and the League One play-offs this season.

"We are hugely excited," Winkelman says. "We definitely want to throw our hat in the ring. It is fair enough now to say that [relocating Wimbledon] was a terrible way of bringing football to Milton Keynes, but we needed it, and it has given Milton Keynes an identity.

"We are looking to learn what we have to do to be involved in the World Cup, and I think we have proved we are a can-do place, and if we are chosen, we will deliver."

Not all in the football nation will unite with fervour around Milton Keynes being ordained as a World Cup venue. Kris Stewart, the founding chairman of AFC Wimbledon, the new club formed by the overwhelming majority of Wimbledon fans who refused to go to Milton Keynes, says: "That's hideous. We're proud of what we have achieved - promotion this season to the Conference - but that stadium in Milton Keynes is only there because our club was stolen from us."

Winkelman, six years on, would prefer the Wimbledon controversy to be consigned to history. He says that as both clubs have flourished "only good has come of it". It is a sign of his ambition, and that of Milton Keynes, that the town will take its place in the delegate seats tomorrow alongside representatives of England's great football centres: London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and Newcastle.

The only question for those cities, besides how to accommodate hordes of supporters at matches and in "fan parks", is whether they will be allocated one stadium or more. Fifa requires countries to apply on the basis of host cities rather than football grounds, because of the wider need to provide for fans' safety and entertainment, but the final selection will be made in December 2010 by choosing the stadiums for the matches.

The official invitation to bid, sent out by Fifa's secretary-general, Jerome Valcke, on 15 January, stated that "approximately 12" stadiums will be required, all with at least 40,000 capacity. Of those, one - in England's case Wembley - must have 80,000 seats to host the opening game and the final. Two, for each semi-final, must seat 60,000 or more. Currently the only two stadiums besides Wembley that could host the semi-finals are Old Trafford (capacity 76,212) and Arsenal's Emirates Stadium (60,342).

Those three are certain to be among the 12 ultimately chosen if England were to beat off competition from the fancied challengers, Australia, the United States, Mexico and Russia. Anfield, Villa Park and St James' Park are also considered certainties to host matches, while Manchester City's former Commonwealth Games stadium at Eastlands, Sunderland's Stadium of Light, Stamford Bridge and even Twickenham, which now has an 82,000 capacity, are also considered strong contenders to host matches.

Yet the FA have widened interest beyond the traditional homes of football and major cities by saying they would prefer games to be played across a wide geographical spread, from north-east to south-west. Triesman made that clear when he addressed a meeting of the Football League's clubs - at MK Dons' stadium - in March.

"This is not the exclusive province of Premier League clubs," he promises. "I want to extend the opportunity to any region or club. This is a partnership that can be so important in our bid to win the right to host a World Cup tournament."

Unlike South Africa, where next year's tournament will be played, and Brazil, host country for 2014, England will not have to undertake any major stadium building programme. Whereas the London Olympics requires a huge injection of public funds, the World Cup bid would not and will highlight this as a major advantage. The stadium "revolution" that followed the Hillsborough disaster in 1989, and has continued since, has created a formidable number of stadiums already fit to host international games.

Still, some smaller cities and football clubs do see the World Cup as an opportunity to expand or build a new stadium. Derby County's Pride Park, Hull's KC Stadium, Leicester's Walkers Stadium, and stadium:mk in Milton Keynes are all recently built venues whose designs incorporate the possibility of expanding. Nottingham Forest are already planning a new pounds 100m, 50,000-seat stadium next to the Holme Pierrepont national watersports centre, while both Sheffield football clubs are committed to improving their grounds if theirs is chosen as a host city.

Bristol City are expecting to apply for planning permission at the end of this month for a new 30,000-seat stadium, costing pounds 60m, to open in August 2012, to be largely financed by the club's multi-millionaire owner Steve Lansdown. City's chief executive, Colin Sexstone, says the stadium designs cater for expansion to 42,000 if Bristol is chosen as a World Cup venue.

"We hope Bristol City will be in the Premier League by then and need 42,000 anyway," explains Sexstone, who will be at the Wembley presentation tomorrow.

"But the design will allow for temporary expansion. The roofs of two smaller stands at each end can be lifted off and stored, quality temporary seating and lightweight roofs added to increase the capacity for the World Cup matches, then removed afterwards and the permanent roofs put back on.

"We are very optimistic about the attractions of Bristol, and Bristol City, as a World Cup host."

The FA's "aspiration" for host cities around the country - for a bid that could claim the majority of the population are within an hour's drive of a venue - means Bristol, Hull and Portsmouth have extra reason to be cheerful. In Hull, the KC Stadium, currently 25,800 capacity, can be expanded to 45,000, with tem porary seating. Bristol is the one city in the south-west to have declared an interest, while Portsmouth is the only place south of London that will be at Wembley tomorrow.

Portsmouth's chief executive, Peter Storrie, says the club are going ahead with rotating Fratton Park's pitch 90 degrees and expanding the current ground to 30,000 seats by 2011-12, but will build a new 40,000 or 45,000-seat stadium at Port Solent if Portsmouth is selected as a World Cup host city.

"This will be great for the south of England," Storrie argues. "The city has great transport links, with Southampton and Gatwick airports close by, and there are great attractions in the wider area."

The commitment by the FA to a geographical spread could work even for Milton Keynes, which sits in a pocket with London to the south and the Midlands to the north. The FA are working closely with England's eight regional development agencies, and Milton Keynes is the only town or city in the East of England Development Agency region to have declared an interest.

In recent tournaments, Fifa have shown themselves keen on the odd wild-card entry in otherwise predictable lists of major venues. In France 98 there was Montpellier, which then had a small stadium and a ropey second division football club. The Koreans used Seogwipo, an island resort that did not even have a club, in the jointly hosted 2002 tournament; and the most recent World Cup featured Leipzig, whose home club played in the seventh level of German football.

For the cities, mostly without huge new stadiums or accommodation to build, the graspable prize is to be part of the great, glittering football tournament, be seen on television across the globe, and reap the revenues from fans flocking in. All cities will be required to show they can host fans' parks, with big screens, similar to those that became the big hit of the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

The financial structure of a World Cup ensures that Fifa sell and keep the income from broadcasting rights and sponsorship, while the home country's FA keep the revenue from selling tickets and the matches themselves.

In Germany, Fifa made pounds 1.7bn, of which pounds 944m came from television, while the German FA's organising committee earned about pounds 500m, which included a pounds 157m contribution from Fifa. The profit, shared with Fifa, was pounds 139m.

For the FA, the prestige, excitement and sense of national purpose are, as much as the money, reasons to be bidding. The process begins in earnest after tomorrow. The cities that are interested must have their formal bids worked up and submitted to the FA by early November.

In 2006, the huge numbers of visitors who descended on German host cities are estimated to have spent about pounds 1.8bn on accommodation, food, drink and shopping. It is for a share of that gold, as well as the chance to be seen on a global stage as part of a World Cup, that so many cities will be jostling for a front-row seat at Wembley tomorrow. Along with Milton Keynes.

20

Months to go before Fifa make their decision on both the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. May 2010 is the deadline for submitting the bid.

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Months for any English towns or cities other than the 15 listed here to bid to host matches

40,000

Minimum capacity for group games. It is 60,000 for the semi-finals, and 80,000 for the opening game and the final

12

Stadiums needed for the tournament - the same as Germany 06

32

The number of finalists at the tournament, which means 64 games

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Countries bidding for the 2018 tournament, and 11 for 2022 (both hosts will be announced in December 2010). England are in for both. Their rivals - 2018: Spain/Portugal (joint), Holland/Belgium (joint), Russia; Australia, Japan, Indonesia; Mexico, United States. 2022: As above plus South Korea and Qatar
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Old May 19th, 2009, 05:35 PM   #5067
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logo inspired by london 2012
... sadly.
I get it, but I don't find it inspiring.

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Not all in the football nation will unite with fervour around Milton Keynes being ordained as a World Cup venue. Kris Stewart, the founding chairman of AFC Wimbledon, the new club formed by the overwhelming majority of Wimbledon fans who refused to go to Milton Keynes, says: "That's hideous. We're proud of what we have achieved - promotion this season to the Conference - but that stadium in Milton Keynes is only there because our club was stolen from us."
I'm afraid I have to agree, and no matter how nice the venue may be I think it'd be a smack in the face of fans and established clubs to so richly reward this particular club so quickly. Surely there are enough options that MK doesn't exactly make a huge difference in accommodating the geographic spread desired by FIFA.
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Nottingham Forest are already planning a new pounds 100m, 50,000-seat stadium next to the Holme Pierrepont national watersports centre,
Has anyone seen plans for this one? Would love to see Forest capable of hosting such.
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Portsmouth's chief executive, Peter Storrie, says the club are going ahead with rotating Fratton Park's pitch 90 degrees and expanding the current ground to 30,000 seats by 2011-12, but will build a new 40,000 or 45,000-seat stadium at Port Solent if Portsmouth is selected as a World Cup host city.
Curious. I hadn't heard about them going ahead with the rotation, and seems silly to do that if you'll know within 16 months (or less, likely) if you'll be just moving to the new, larger venue. Either way I'd be happy to see another "middling" club improving their ground.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 07:50 PM   #5068
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Another horrible logo!
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Old May 19th, 2009, 08:13 PM   #5069
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Another horrible logo!
At this stage, it's only a bid logo.

It's possible - likely, even - that, should England be chosen to host WC 2018 or 2022, there will be an altogether different logo.

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Old May 20th, 2009, 03:00 AM   #5070
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It's not easy to make a football with a name.
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It's nowhere near as bad as the 2012 logo...

Showing how good fellatio is to the world..
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Old May 20th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #5072
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At this stage, it's only a bid logo.

It's possible - likely, even - that, should England be chosen to host WC 2018 or 2022, there will be an altogether different logo.
I quite like it must admit.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 07:28 AM   #5073
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Another horrible logo!
Well the 2018/2022 is just for the bid, but the 2012 it's just a joke...oh and also the olympic stadium.
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Well the 2018/2022 is just for the bid, but the 2012 it's just a joke...oh and also the olympic stadium.
What the **** has the Olympic stadium got to do with this thread?

Stop trolling.
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What the **** has the Olympic stadium got to do with this thread?

Stop trolling.
On how ****ed up England is organizing it's bids....
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On how ****ed up England is organizing it's bids....
Eh?

Given that London was a rank outsider for the 2012 vote, I'd say that they did a truly remarkable job to beat the odds on favourite, Paris. In what way can it possibly have been a "****ed up" bid, given that London won? Duh!

But I repeat, this thread is not about the Olympics so stick to 2018 / 2022 World Cup bids, please.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 08:42 PM   #5077
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Ignore the ****.
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I'm trying to grasp the actual state of plans for several venue improvements that we'd consider crucial to these bids. Would someone mind filling me in on the status/veracity of the following:

Bernabeu - Renovations
Lopera & Pizjuan (Sevilla) - Renovations + Expansions
Villa Park - Renovations + Expansion

How many of these projects, if any, are dependent on a successful bid? If they are independent of the bid what's the actual status?
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 07:52 PM   #5079
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Since the FIFA decided that candidates must have 11 stadiums of 40000 seats and 1 with 80000 seats to host the World cup, I have concluded only rich and powerful could now host the event.
In each confedaration, I made a standing about if countries could host the World cup (with 12 stadiums):
  • Yes
  • Yes but
  • No

AFC
Yes: Japan, China, Korea, Australia
Yes but: India, Indonesia
No: all the rest

CAF
Yes: South Africa (of course), Morocco, Egypt
No: all the rest

CONCACAF
Yes: USA, Mexico
Yes but: Canada
No: all the rest

CONMEBOL
Yes: Brazil (of course)
Yes but: Argentina
No: all the rest

OFC
None

UEFA
yes: England, Spain, Germany, France, Italy
Yes but: Portugal, Russia, Turkey
No: others
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 09:03 PM   #5080
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Russia only has 3 stadiums xD hilarious
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