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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 10:04 PM   #5081
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Russia only has 3 stadiums xD hilarious
They will build (are building) new ones... Ukraine has 0 according to your definition then.
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 10:06 PM   #5082
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Since the FIFA decided that candidates must have 11 stadiums of 40000 seats and 1 with 80000 seats to host the World cup, I have concluded only rich and powerful could now host the event.
In each confedaration, I made a standing about if countries could host the World cup (with 12 stadiums):
  • Yes
  • Yes but
  • No

AFC
Yes: Japan, China, Korea, Australia
Yes but: India, Indonesia
No: all the rest

CAF
Yes: South Africa (of course), Morocco, Egypt
No: all the rest

CONCACAF
Yes: USA, Mexico
Yes but: Canada
No: all the rest

CONMEBOL
Yes: Brazil (of course)
Yes but: Argentina
No: all the rest

OFC
None

UEFA
yes: England, Spain, Germany, France, Italy
Yes but: Portugal, Russia, Turkey
No: others
I think you've missed Malaysia out of the countries that could definitely hold it in the AFC. Also with the plans Turkey has in place for stadiums I think they could go to the yes list in UEFA.
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Old June 4th, 2009, 11:57 AM   #5083
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Malaysia has some stadiums, and possibly the capability for upgrades and infrastructure, but its football team is woeful.

Ranked 159 in the world, in the recent Asian cup which it co hosted, it lost 5-1 to China, 5-0 to Uzbekistan and 2-0 to Iran. It didnt exit the group stage.
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Old June 4th, 2009, 11:01 PM   #5084
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I may reconsider my position about Malaysia and Turkey.
If some countries make some improvements, I will change the standing.
I used the number of potential stadiums, potential buildings and upgrades to do this standing.
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Old June 5th, 2009, 12:48 PM   #5085
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Malaysia?? I heard....bad news

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Old June 6th, 2009, 12:03 AM   #5086
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Since the FIFA decided that candidates must have 11 stadiums of 40000 seats and 1 with 80000 seats to host the World cup, I have concluded only rich and powerful could now host the event.
In each confedaration, I made a standing about if countries could host the World cup (with 12 stadiums):
  • Yes
  • Yes but
  • No

AFC
Yes: Japan, China, Korea, Australia
Yes but: India, Indonesia
No: all the rest

CAF
Yes: South Africa (of course), Morocco, Egypt
No: all the rest

CONCACAF
Yes: USA, Mexico
Yes but: Canada
No: all the rest

CONMEBOL
Yes: Brazil (of course)
Yes but: Argentina
No: all the rest

OFC
None

UEFA
yes: England, Spain, Germany, France, Italy
Yes but: Portugal, Russia, Turkey
No: others
And the Netherlands + Belgium?
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Old June 6th, 2009, 03:38 AM   #5087
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I think Australia has a good chance for either '18 or '22 since there will already have been so many things in Europe in the 2010s FIFA may want to get away from it and go to Australia as a fresh face with good capabilities. If Australia were to get '18 I think its being part of the Anglosphere would weaken England's chances afterwards. I would like to see a US cup, but don't know how likely that would be. Asia (not including Aus), Japan in particular might have a genuine shot at getting '22 too.
I'm going to say:
2018: Australia
2022: England
2026: USA
2030: Uruguay-Argentina joint bid
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Old June 6th, 2009, 07:00 AM   #5088
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16 years without World Cup in Europe? FIFA would go bankrupt. Europe is by far biggest (and richest) market with biggest number of traveling fans and there is absolutely no way that WC will be outside of Europe for such a long period.

2018 will go to England, 2022 to USA. Let's be real...
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Old June 6th, 2009, 07:27 AM   #5089
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FIFA would go bankrupt.
Bankrupt??? Their license to print money is not entirely dependant upon the world cup being staged in Europe.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 07:32 AM   #5090
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Bankrupt??? Their license to print money is not entirely dependant upon the world cup being staged in Europe.
World Cup in prime time in Europe or World Cup in 7am in Europe. Which brings you more money (unfortunately, WC is all about that this days) and better TV ratings? Euro Championship and WC are watched by absolutely everyone in Europe in prime time. I seriously doubt that my grandmother would wake up early in the morning to watch football

Australia = 1 country, 1 TV rights, 1 team, "bad" time zone
Northern America = 22 countries but most of them are very small and with football not being 1st sport (especially in 2 richest ones). Still, powerful and big enough to deserve the World Cup again relatively soon.
Europe = 50 (50 countries) stations with TV rights, 50 TV stations willing to pay... well anything that FIFA wants, 50 countries with football as no1 sport, biggest number of participant teams, biggest number of traveling fans...

Do the math.

It's all about the money and FIFA can't afford to have WC outside of Europe for that long.

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Old June 6th, 2009, 11:59 AM   #5091
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Australia is one country + Japan + Korea + China + Indonesia + Malaysia + Vietnam + Thailand. This time zone region is home to the worlds second and third largest economies.

In GDP terms, East Asia plus Australia is not far off in size to North and South America combined. The way China continues to grow, its economy is predicted to be larger than USA by 2020. Understandably, FIFA is interested in growing the game in the region. When one third of viewers of 2006 WC were in Asia, despite the poor kick off times, Im sure FIFA will allow it hosting rights again in the not too distant future.

Obviously Europe is guaranteed every third WC. But for the rest its a battle between the Americas, and Asia + Africa. South Africa 2010 will provide a good time zone for European viewers. The Americas will have hosted in 2014 with Brazil so kick off times will be perfect for East Coast USA and ok for Central America. Asia will have had poor kick off times since 2002, which is four WC's, and it could be argued is next in line.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 08:35 PM   #5092
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Since the FIFA decided that candidates must have 11 stadiums of 40000 seats and 1 with 80000 seats to host the World cup, I have concluded only rich and powerful could now host the event.

AFC
Yes: Australia

CONCACAF
Yes but: Canada
Out of interest - why YES for Australia but only YES BUT for Canada?

Canada has a larger population and a greater per capita GDP.
Both nations would require major stadium construction programs.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 10:15 PM   #5093
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World Cup in prime time in Europe or World Cup in 7am in Europe. Which brings you more money (unfortunately, WC is all about that this days) and better TV ratings? Euro Championship and WC are watched by absolutely everyone in Europe in prime time. I seriously doubt that my grandmother would wake up early in the morning to watch football

Australia = 1 country, 1 TV rights, 1 team, "bad" time zone
Northern America = 22 countries but most of them are very small and with football not being 1st sport (especially in 2 richest ones). Still, powerful and big enough to deserve the World Cup again relatively soon.
Europe = 50 (50 countries) stations with TV rights, 50 TV stations willing to pay... well anything that FIFA wants, 50 countries with football as no1 sport, biggest number of participant teams, biggest number of traveling fans...

Do the math.

It's all about the money and FIFA can't afford to have WC outside of Europe for that long.
I'm not debating the fact they'd make less money. I'm debating the point that they'd go "bankrupt".
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Old June 8th, 2009, 01:51 AM   #5094
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What I'm just looking foward is a great world cup with great parties, football, excellent fanzones, great comittement for the host country.... not so restricted and nationals
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Old June 8th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #5095
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They will build (are building) new ones... Ukraine has 0 according to your definition then.
Well maybe Ukraine did not bid for the World cup, yet we are gonna host Euro 2012 with Poland, and Ukraine will have 6 stadiums ready by the end of next year

Besides i hear that Russia use fake grass on their crappy stadiums there is no way they will host the world cup
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Old June 8th, 2009, 11:45 PM   #5096
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@Benjuk
I made this classification by observing the number of stadiums which have more than40000 places, transportation, economy and security TOGETHER. Canada and Australia are developed countries which have less stadiums for Worl Cup than Spain which is less developed.
Look the reasons why I noted canada yes but and Australia yes about stadiums:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ia_by_capacity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ms_by_capacity
It means Canada will have to build more stadiums with 40000 places and more including one with 80000 place. Australia has already a stadium with 100000 places, and will build more stadiums for the events.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 12:08 AM   #5097
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I think the US would be the best host for the 2018 WC , they have the best and biggest stadiums, great infrastructure and all the conditions to host the 2nd biggest competition on the world.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 12:40 AM   #5098
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Well maybe Ukraine did not bid for the World cup, yet we are gonna host Euro 2012 with Poland, and Ukraine will have 6 stadiums ready by the end of next year

Besides i hear that Russia use fake grass on their crappy stadiums there is no way they will host the world cup
Don't you think that it's a little bit early to make any conclusions? I hear that Ukraine can lose 3 of 4 hosted cities in November 2009, and final can be in Warsaw, not in Kiev. I also hear that there are A LOT of problems with infrastructure and hotels, and considering the economic situation in Ukraine - this is really BIG problems.

From the other hand, Champions League Final in Moscow had very good estimations in UEFA for great organisation. This is "plus" for Russian bid. And I think you don't see the difference between 2012 and 2018/2022.

So stop posting absurd comments, based on nothing and don't shame yourself.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 10:24 AM   #5099
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2018 need Belgium/Netherlands!
2022 USA
2026 China
2030 Uruguay
2034 England
2038 Argentina
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Old June 9th, 2009, 12:04 PM   #5100
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Out of interest - why YES for Australia but only YES BUT for Canada?

Canada has a larger population and a greater per capita GDP.
Both nations would require major stadium construction programs.
Sure Canada has a greater population, greater GDP and in essence very wealthy.

But the stadiums currently in Canada range from good to atrocious! Just look at CFL venues. Only now there are talks of modernizing stadiums in the CFL cities.

There's been attempts for CFL expansion, but lack of stadiums in such cities prevents it.

In theory Canada can host, but only after the stadiums are in place, simply bidding for say the 2026 edition and promising new stadiums and upgrades are not enough, considering it's football stadium history.
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