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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old June 9th, 2009, 12:34 PM   #5101
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Its lack of a professional football league, lack of WC history and poor national team (ranked 83) also works against it.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 02:09 PM   #5102
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2018 need Belgium/Netherlands!
2022 USA
2026 China
2030 Uruguay
2034 England
2038 Argentina
You're silly.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 02:33 PM   #5103
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^ That is silly, Australia is bound to have hosted once in those years, USA need not host again not until after Australia at least.

It has been clear that if there's significant single bidders, joint national bids will be looked aside (Portugal/Spain, Belgium/Netherlands will need to WOW FIFA if they have a chance at either 2018 or 2022).

China will bound to host at one point, what with being the world's biggest country, the experience of the Olympics etc, etc... but likewise not before Australia, considering the national team's record and the fact that most if not all stadiums are based around an athletics track.

Uruguay will not host 2030, sure sentiment is there cause of it being the centennial, but with only their national centennial :P stadium in Montevideo being capable of hosting at this point with significant upgrades, there will need to be major upgrades and stadium construction in Uruguay's cities, the event has just gone too big for them.

England is a sure contender for 2018, which gives 2022 to Australia as a consolation.

I'd rather see Argentina hosting a Rugby WC before hosting another FIFA WC.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 07:25 PM   #5104
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i would rather we lowered our amount of entrants for 2022 in exchange for a second European world cup, it's a no brainer that the best 4 bids are European! No matter the great stadiums of the USA and the great cities of Oz and canada
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Old June 10th, 2009, 09:28 AM   #5105
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^ That is silly, Australia is bound to have hosted once in those years, USA need not host again not until after Australia at least.

It has been clear that if there's significant single bidders, joint national bids will be looked aside (Portugal/Spain, Belgium/Netherlands will need to WOW FIFA if they have a chance at either 2018 or 2022).

China will bound to host at one point, what with being the world's biggest country, the experience of the Olympics etc, etc... but likewise not before Australia, considering the national team's record and the fact that most if not all stadiums are based around an athletics track.

Uruguay will not host 2030, sure sentiment is there cause of it being the centennial, but with only their national centennial :P stadium in Montevideo being capable of hosting at this point with significant upgrades, there will need to be major upgrades and stadium construction in Uruguay's cities, the event has just gone too big for them.

England is a sure contender for 2018, which gives 2022 to Australia as a consolation.

I'd rather see Argentina hosting a Rugby WC before hosting another FIFA WC.
And what is so special about Australia?? Australia is not even close to the US about stadiums and infraestructure, the US has all the condition to host the olympics next year if they want to.
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Old June 10th, 2009, 10:05 AM   #5106
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^Duh, because we're a new frontier?

We proven ourselves in the 2006 WC Germany when we made round 2? (Sure the US has made more WC's, but that's irrelevant)

Because the US has already hosted once before and we haven't?

Because it will provide a means to upgrade infrastructure and stadiums that wouldn't happen if a WC wasn't staged here?

Because we've proven our track record in hosting major sporting events? (Olympics, Rugby WC, Commonwealth Games, etc)

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All the condition to host the Olympics next year?
Well Vancouver is hosting already. If by some freak disaster or whatnot and Vancouver can't host, then maybe yes, it could go back to Salt Lake City as a backup, but still...

Now back to the point, there's more pluses for Australia in what I pointed out than there is for the US.
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I doub it, the US has more influence than Australia.
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Old June 10th, 2009, 10:23 AM   #5108
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Oh, so that's why more people want Australia for both 2018 and 2022 over the US. Right.

If the US hadn't hosted before, then I'd be more inclined to agree with you, but considering that they have and Australia hasn't, not to mention that Chicago is already bidding for another major sporting event to be held a mere 2 years at least prior (I say Rio should win, but that's my opinion :P), it hurt's the US's chances so much.

The US will bound to host sometime in the future that's for sure, it will be dramatically different to 1994 (More cities, more competing countries, the Confederations Cup a year prior, modern all seater stadiums etc), but not before Australia does!
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Old June 10th, 2009, 12:17 PM   #5109
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The Olympics have nothing to do with the World Cup.

Numerous examples of Olympics and WC's held in "back to back" years.

Anyways, Australia is the only real threat to the USA hosting the 2022 WC.
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^ That is silly, Australia is bound to have hosted once in those years, USA need not host again not until after Australia at least.

It has been clear that if there's significant single bidders, joint national bids will be looked aside (Portugal/Spain, Belgium/Netherlands will need to WOW FIFA if they have a chance at either 2018 or 2022).

China will bound to host at one point, what with being the world's biggest country, the experience of the Olympics etc, etc... but likewise not before Australia, considering the national team's record and the fact that most if not all stadiums are based around an athletics track.

Uruguay will not host 2030, sure sentiment is there cause of it being the centennial, but with only their national centennial :P stadium in Montevideo being capable of hosting at this point with significant upgrades, there will need to be major upgrades and stadium construction in Uruguay's cities, the event has just gone too big for them.

England is a sure contender for 2018, which gives 2022 to Australia as a consolation.

I'd rather see Argentina hosting a Rugby WC before hosting another FIFA WC.
No country is bound to host World Cup and especially not a country from the footballs backyard.

It has not been clear that if “there's significant single bidders, joint national bids will be looked aside”. The size of The Netherlands/Belgium is 72.054 km2 and the population is 27 million. The size of Australia 7.686.850 and the population is 21 million. The Netherlands/Belgium has most likely the best infrastructure in the world while Australia doesn’t have an infrastructure that are close to European standard. Both the Netherlands and Belgium are members of EU and Schengen which means there is no physical border between the countries. Australia has all the negative aspects that we normally link to a joint bid, while Netherlands/Belgium has none. The distances will be shorter than it was in Germany, France, Spain, Italy and all other hosts in modern time.

What kind of record does the Australian national team have? Is it necessary to mention at least 40 countries with a better record?

Are the Australian oval stadiums much better than Chinese athletic stadiums?

What does Rugby WC have to do in this discussion?

My advice is that Australia tries to host the Asian Championship before they try WC. It will never happen in 2018 or 2022.
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Old June 10th, 2009, 03:07 PM   #5111
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^ The funny thing about your post is that Australia has a stronger change of hosting the World Cup than Belgium/Netherlands. Your mob have to defeat the likes of England, Spain/Portugal and a cashed up Russian bid. If 2018 goes to Europe which it probably will and not to your bid, Belgium/Netherlands can't bid for 2022. Australia is a popular choice for 2022, especially since China isn't bidding, their are no regional rivals that will seriously threaten the Australian bid, hard to justify a Japan WC only 20 years after 2002 and Indonesia is far behind Australia in terms of stability, event managment and security.

As for the Australian national team. I'd love to see the success rate of any other team if they had been given the qualifying routes Australia has had to take before leaving Oceania. Hell, in the failed qualification of France 98' Australia didn't even lose a game. The Australian team is a very solid and underated team and I expect them to rise considerably up the FIFA rankings after a few years in the AFC.

You mention Australian Ovals. It is very unlikely that more than 1 or 2 would be used. Adelaide's potential venue is likely as the City has no need for a rectangle stadium seating over 40 000, though the FFA has requested that Adelaide consider a 25/30 000 seat stadium with additional temporary seating like the Kobe stadium in 2002. Perth may, but doubtful as their planned stadium options are for a new Stadium with moveable seating like Stade De France or actually building a 40 000+ rectangle Stadium because though Australian Football is popular there, Rugby union has a good following and the City is growing quite fast to be able to support it by 2018. Melbourne's MCG could be used as it is Australia's largest, oldest and most celebrated Stadium but their is no certainty in a successful bid.

Half of Australia prefer Rugby to Australian Football so these venues will not be white elephants. They will serve as the future homes of Australia Rugby Union and League clubs in winter and Soccer clubs in Summer.

What relevance does the Rugby World Cup have?
Well it is the 3rd largest sporting tournament in the World and the last 3 have averaged crowds in the same sphere as the FIFA World Cup. So this shows that Australia has successfully managed an international event of high prestige along with the many thousands of tourists associated. Many lessons have been learnt fro m this prior experience.

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Old June 10th, 2009, 03:29 PM   #5112
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Theres an extremely good chance Australia will host the 2015 Asian cup.

As for qualifying for a WC, for 94 Australia had to go through a mini league system (against pacific nations) and 3 home and away knockout playoff stages against New Zealand, Canada (then ranked in the 40s), and finally Argentina. The final aggregate score against Argentina was 2-1 to Argentina, who were ranked 9th in the world at the time. Knock out stages are always tough, but to have three just to get into the world cup is ridiculous.

Im glad those days are over. Joining the AFC is one of the best things the FFA have done.

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Old June 10th, 2009, 09:23 PM   #5113
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No country is bound to host World Cup and especially not a country from the footballs backyard.

It has not been clear that if “there's significant single bidders, joint national bids will be looked aside”. The size of The Netherlands/Belgium is 72.054 km2 and the population is 27 million. The size of Australia 7.686.850 and the population is 21 million. The Netherlands/Belgium has most likely the best infrastructure in the world while Australia doesn’t have an infrastructure that are close to European standard. Both the Netherlands and Belgium are members of EU and Schengen which means there is no physical border between the countries. Australia has all the negative aspects that we normally link to a joint bid, while Netherlands/Belgium has none. The distances will be shorter than it was in Germany, France, Spain, Italy and all other hosts in modern time.

What kind of record does the Australian national team have? Is it necessary to mention at least 40 countries with a better record?

Are the Australian oval stadiums much better than Chinese athletic stadiums?

What does Rugby WC have to do in this discussion?

My advice is that Australia tries to host the Asian Championship before they try WC. It will never happen in 2018 or 2022.
Actually the negative aspect to this joint bid would be that two qualification places will be taken by the two host nations unlike Australia.
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Old June 10th, 2009, 09:37 PM   #5114
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No country is bound to host World Cup and especially not a country from the footballs backyard.

It has not been clear that if “there's significant single bidders, joint national bids will be looked aside”. The size of The Netherlands/Belgium is 72.054 km2 and the population is 27 million. The size of Australia 7.686.850 and the population is 21 million. The Netherlands/Belgium has most likely the best infrastructure in the world while Australia doesn’t have an infrastructure that are close to European standard. Both the Netherlands and Belgium are members of EU and Schengen which means there is no physical border between the countries. Australia has all the negative aspects that we normally link to a joint bid, while Netherlands/Belgium has none. The distances will be shorter than it was in Germany, France, Spain, Italy and all other hosts in modern time.

What kind of record does the Australian national team have? Is it necessary to mention at least 40 countries with a better record?

Are the Australian oval stadiums much better than Chinese athletic stadiums?

What does Rugby WC have to do in this discussion?

My advice is that Australia tries to host the Asian Championship before they try WC. It will never happen in 2018 or 2022.
Euro bids are not in competition with non-euro bids. It's been beaten to death already.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 12:51 AM   #5116
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Oh, so that's why more people want Australia for both 2018 and 2022 over the US. Right.

If the US hadn't hosted before, then I'd be more inclined to agree with you, but considering that they have and Australia hasn't, not to mention that Chicago is already bidding for another major sporting event to be held a mere 2 years at least prior (I say Rio should win, but that's my opinion :P), it hurt's the US's chances so much.

The US will bound to host sometime in the future that's for sure, it will be dramatically different to 1994 (More cities, more competing countries, the Confederations Cup a year prior, modern all seater stadiums etc), but not before Australia does!
And where did u get that from?? If you mean that more AUSTRALIANS are voting here for both 2018 and 20122 over the US, then that's irrelevant and silly.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 01:20 AM   #5117
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As for the Australian national team. I'd love to see the success rate of any other team if they had been given the qualifying routes Australia has had to take before leaving Oceania. Hell, in the failed qualification of France 98' Australia didn't even lose a game. The Australian team is a very solid and underated team and I expect them to rise considerably up the FIFA rankings after a few years in the AFC.
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going undefeated means nothing, Israel failed to qualify for the 2006 world cup despite being undefeated in a European group including finalists france and switzeland who were knocked out without conceding a goal, and the republic of Ireland. In fact out of the top four only the republic actually lost a game.

Australia are lucky asia is pretty average and it probably always will be, helping their ranking (which means jack shit)!

I agree with the low country guy in that Australia has more characteristics of a joint bid. The size of the country is crazy. I still think the USA will get it over the aussies if it came to the best non european bid.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 08:01 AM   #5118
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Actually the negative aspect to this joint bid would be that two qualification places will be taken by the two host nations unlike Australia.
Why don't they have a playoff and the other team can try and qualify the normal way. With a a helpful seeding, this being FIFA and all.
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Actually the negative aspect to this joint bid would be that two qualification places will be taken by the two host nations unlike Australia.
Would be a surprise to the world if the Netherlands don’t qualify to a World Cup. It would only be Belgium that in reality will get a free place. I agree with you when it comes to joint bid like South Korea and Japan and for example Australia and New Zeeland where we are talking about small countries that only manage to qualify now and then.
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Oh, so that's why more people want Australia for both 2018 and 2022 over the US. Right.

If the US hadn't hosted before, then I'd be more inclined to agree with you, but considering that they have and Australia hasn't, not to mention that Chicago is already bidding for another major sporting event to be held a mere 2 years at least prior (I say Rio should win, but that's my opinion :P), it hurt's the US's chances so much.

The US will bound to host sometime in the future that's for sure, it will be dramatically different to 1994 (More cities, more competing countries, the Confederations Cup a year prior, modern all seater stadiums etc), but not before Australia does!
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And where did u get that from?? If you mean that more AUSTRALIANS are voting here for both 2018 and 20122 over the US, then that's irrelevant and silly.
The first remark was a little silly yes, but if you Americans think you should host another WC before us, then why not vote for you! It's only logical! there can't possibly be more Australians here then Yanks! :P

Oh and the other points are relevant, primarily the one about you guys having hosted already. Let someone else have a shot, bid for other sporting events.
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