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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old June 15th, 2009, 04:32 AM   #5141
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Australia is in no way better than South Korea. They can't even provide 10 grounds in 9 different cities. And their showpiece venue is a Cricket ground where supporters are seated a hundred metres from the action.
The MCG is like the Olympiastadion in terms of how far the fans are from the action. Since athletics tracks are acceptable, so should cricket/footy grounds.

The grounds used probably will be Melbourne x2, Sydney, Brisbane, upgrades to Townsville, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Adelaide, Canberra and a new stadium in Perth. That's 10 stadiums, with only one city using two stadiums, well spread out across Australia, fitting with FIFA's guidelines.
We have some of the infrastructure, not all, not very surprising since we are 8/12 years from when the world cups are supposed to being held.

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Old June 15th, 2009, 12:31 PM   #5142
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Hmm, they mention Darwin. Along with the whole indigenous feel, I would suppose Darwin would be included in the bid. Maybe?
Darwin weather basically rules it out. Its almost unsuitable for AFL. No rectangular ground is need either. Plus there is almost zero local support for football. The fact it is closest to Asia is about its only positive attribute.

I think Australia is better prepared than South Africa and Japan/Korea when they won their bids.

There are issues with some grounds, but the fact is Australia has as great a capacity to upgrade, rebuild, build or covert venues as any other country. Our bid will include oval venues like the MCG but the fact is the FFA/Commonwealth Government understand the commitment they have just made to building a number of 40,000+ rectangular or convertable venues around the country if required.

If the 10 stadium, 9 city format is used, its likely only the MCG will be oval, with Sydney, Perth and Adelaide all hosting semi-oval grounds or convertable grounds. The rest would be regular rectangular grounds.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 02:03 PM   #5143
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^I would still like to see Darwin included as a host city.

Yes, a mostly temporary, albeit temporary rectangular stadium is not needed.

The logical solution is to have it's oval stadium as the second oval stadium in the bid.
Upgraded to a reasonable post WC legacy, with temporary seating filling the rest.

Here's hoping!
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Old June 15th, 2009, 02:07 PM   #5144
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The MCG is like the Olympiastadion in terms of how far the fans are from the action. Since athletics tracks are acceptable, so should cricket/footy grounds.
Not quite so, but if the MCG is used for World Cup qualifiers, then why not? If it was absolute horrid for Football, then Melbourne would hardly get any major Football matches like World Cup qualifiers, or Olympic Preliminaries. It's fine the way it is, with perhaps a refurbish of the Great Southern Stand.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 03:14 PM   #5145
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The MCG is like the Olympiastadion in terms of how far the fans are from the action. Since athletics tracks are acceptable, so should cricket/footy grounds.
No, there is still a significant difference. Just take a look from above and you see that seats in an athletic stadium are still closer to the pitch than in a cricket ground.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 03:15 PM   #5146
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Old June 15th, 2009, 04:56 PM   #5147
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No, there is still a significant difference. Just take a look from above and you see that seats in an athletic stadium are still closer to the pitch than in a cricket ground.
I stand corrected. Still, if the MCG is good enough to host olympic games football events and FIFA qualifiers, surely its good enough for the world cup. It's a leap but my overall point about the Olympiastadion is that in general, FIFA waives bad sightlines especially if they're a big ground. And personally, FIFA can, would and will waive the bad sight line of the MCG.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 04:59 PM   #5148
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^I would still like to see Darwin included as a host city.

Yes, a mostly temporary, albeit temporary rectangular stadium is not needed.

The logical solution is to have it's oval stadium as the second oval stadium in the bid.
Upgraded to a reasonable post WC legacy, with temporary seating filling the rest.

Here's hoping!
It's just my opinion but when the AFL wont build a stadium for Darwin to have a team up there when they are footy mad, I'd doubt FIFA will build a brand new stadium when football isn't that popular up there and no team seems to be going there in the near future.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 08:41 PM   #5149
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I stand corrected. Still, if the MCG is good enough to host olympic games football events and FIFA qualifiers, surely its good enough for the world cup.
Good enough. But it's all relative. It will be compared to stadiums like Wembley, the Bernabau, the newest and biggest multi-purpouse stadiums in the US, the Amsterdam Arena, the Azteca, the Luzhniki stadium etc. etc. and it will come off worse against its competitors as a footballing venue.


FIFA may be willing to waive poorer sightlines, but when they have other options for their events showpiece stadium, why should they need to?
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Old June 15th, 2009, 09:36 PM   #5150
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It's just my opinion but when the AFL wont build a stadium for Darwin to have a team up there when they are footy mad, I'd doubt FIFA will build a brand new stadium when football isn't that popular up there and no team seems to be going there in the near future.
The Australian Football League is not in the business of building stadiums for secure markets unless its Victorian, any stadium investment goes strait to New South Wales and Queensland. Western Australian and South Australia get nothing.

Why would FIFA build a stadium for Darwin when it would be so much easier to award the World Cup to a country less stingy with stadium funding.

Last but most important, Darwin is just too small. At the most generous definitions of regional population, Darwin only has 120 000 people, and very few more with in a days drive. Unless Darwin triples in size by 2018, they will not take part.

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Old June 16th, 2009, 08:52 AM   #5151
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FIFA won't build a stadium in Darwin but the FFA and NT government might. If it means the difference between getting the world cup and not. What's a few hundred million dollars at the end of the day? Population wise it isn't too far from Townsville who have a NRL team and 27,000 capacity stadium. If you could build a 20,000 multipurpose with additional 20,000 temporary seats I'm sure some one could make those 20,000 seats viable.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:20 AM   #5152
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Why would FIFA build a stadium for Darwin when it would be so much easier to award the World Cup to a country less stingy with stadium funding.

Last but most important, Darwin is just too small. At the most generous definitions of regional population, Darwin only has 120 000 people, and very few more with in a days drive. Unless Darwin triples in size by 2018, they will not take part.
Well it's not FIFA's decision, but as stated, the FFA's, bid committee's and of course with approval by local authorities.
A new stadium of oval shape (though not ideal, seems to be the only legacy, unless of course it is designed to be convertible), of say 25,000 permanent seats with temporary seating in total of 45,000 could work.

Population? Small? Well smaller cities have hosted matches before in reasonably sized stadiums, why even some American towns/cities boast stadiums well over their local population of some distance to the major city it supports.

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FIFA won't build a stadium in Darwin but the FFA and NT government might. If it means the difference between getting the world cup and not. What's a few hundred million dollars at the end of the day? Population wise it isn't too far from Townsville who have a NRL team and 27,000 capacity stadium. If you could build a 20,000 multipurpose with additional 20,000 temporary seats I'm sure some one could make those 20,000 seats viable.
Agreed. Here's hoping that Darwin get's it! It has the hotels (well a decent amount for the city) and transportation links via plane are excellent. All it needs is the stadium.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:24 AM   #5153
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Good enough. But it's all relative. It will be compared to stadiums like Wembley, the Bernabau, the newest and biggest multi-purpouse stadiums in the US, the Amsterdam Arena, the Azteca, the Luzhniki stadium etc. etc. and it will come off worse against its competitors as a footballing venue.


FIFA may be willing to waive poorer sightlines, but when they have other options for their events showpiece stadium, why should they need to?
Well putting aside the whole who gets the final argument. The FFA itself has stated that the MCG as is is a suitable venue without any current needs fgr upgrades, regardless of the poor sightlines. If they stated otherwise, then yes it would never be used for WC qualifiers or football friendlies or any rectangular based football for that matter. If that were the case, then Melbourne would have been pressured to build a decent capacity rectangular stadium years ago, or most matches would be held at Docklands in it's rectangular mode.
Considering there is no mention of building a 80,000 seater stadium for the WC, then expect the MCG to be a part of the bid and host either first match or final (with some matches in between of course).
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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:56 PM   #5154
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Darwin weather basically rules it out. Its almost unsuitable for AFL. No rectangular ground is need either. Plus there is almost zero local support for football. The fact it is closest to Asia is about its only positive attribute.

I think Australia is better prepared than South Africa and Japan/Korea when they won their bids.

There are issues with some grounds, but the fact is Australia has as great a capacity to upgrade, rebuild, build or covert venues as any other country. Our bid will include oval venues like the MCG but the fact is the FFA/Commonwealth Government understand the commitment they have just made to building a number of 40,000+ rectangular or convertable venues around the country if required.

If the 10 stadium, 9 city format is used, its likely only the MCG will be oval, with Sydney, Perth and Adelaide all hosting semi-oval grounds or convertable grounds. The rest would be regular rectangular grounds.
The dry season in Darwin is from May untill October, so the monsoons don't interfere with the world cup. Also, Darwin is one of the fastest growing cities in Australia, and it'll probably have a population of over 150,000 by 2018 or 2022... not too small! Besides, it's a great hub for tourists who want to explore the top end, and it's by far the closest city to Asia, two pretty important advantages!

I'm sureDarwin will have a professional sports team in the next 15 years, be it AFL, Rugby or Football...
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Darwin...it's a great hub for tourists who want to explore the top end, and it's by far the closest city to Asia, two pretty important advantages!
True, the top end is just stunning. Would like to see some WC legacy left in Darwin but just not sure if it could happen. Would hate for a foreign supporter to be seduced by the warm beaches only to be taken by a Saltwater Croc.

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Population wise it isn't too far from Townsville who have a NRL team and 27,000 capacity stadium
Problem is Darwin is only within a flight from another large population area. The small cities in the States that have large College Stadiums have huge catchment area outside the specific town/city limits. Townsville is the largest regional urban area in North Queensland with another 300 000 people within a couple hours driving distance of the City.

Darwin only has Katherine and Kununurra who both only have 10 000 people with in a days drive.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 09:22 AM   #5156
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Anyone who was at the MCG last night would tell you it would be mighty hard to go past as host for the final.

Following the diabolical events after the '05 after the Uruguay game (seriously, it was pathetic), and the amazing spectacle of 06's Greece game, last years Argentina game, and last night's Japan game... seriously - how could you host it anywhere else?
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Old June 18th, 2009, 09:58 AM   #5157
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Anyone who was at the MCG last night would tell you it would be mighty hard to go past as host for the final.

Following the diabolical events after the '05 after the Uruguay game (seriously, it was pathetic), and the amazing spectacle of 06's Greece game, last years Argentina game, and last night's Japan game... seriously - how could you host it anywhere else?
WTF are you referring to?

I still think playing football at the MCG looks dumb. Great stadium, just not right for football.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 10:24 AM   #5158
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Theres talk that the Vic govt. will look to remodel the lower theirs if the WC bid is won. It could be done, like in the unused Etihad Stadiums design, but unsure how this could be retrofitted into the exising stadium. maybe the building of a new Southern Stand to match the new stand , with new adjustable lower tier. Atleast then one side would be close to the sideline.

Will be interesting. The commentators at the game last night loved the MCG and were amazed by its size and atmosphere. It loses no atmosphere IMO even with the stands further from the action than a true rectangular stadium.

Will be interesting to see what can be arranged.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 05:01 PM   #5159
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Anyone who was at the MCG last night would tell you it would be mighty hard to go past as host for the final.

Following the diabolical events after the '05 after the Uruguay game (seriously, it was pathetic), and the amazing spectacle of 06's Greece game, last years Argentina game, and last night's Japan game... seriously - how could you host it anywhere else?
Melbourne get 69,000 and every Melburnian thinks that automatically qualifies them as favourite for a WC Final.

When Sydney got 70,000 vs China (dead rubber as well)last year..the silence was deafening down here.

The MCG is a great cricket ground,but a poor football venue.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 04:47 AM   #5160
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AFL venues suck for rectangular pitches. See also: Subiaco.
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