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View Poll Results: Which bid should host the FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022?
Australia - 2018 255 12.32%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2018 247 11.94%
England - 2018 538 26.00%
Indonesia - 2018 68 3.29%
Japan - 2018 35 1.69%
Mexico - 2018 105 5.07%
Qatar - 2018 78 3.77%
Russia - 2018 279 13.48%
South Korea - 2018 16 0.77%
Spain / Portugal - 2018 267 12.90%
USA - 2018 116 5.61%
Australia - 2022 378 18.27%
Belgium / Netherlands - 2022 111 5.36%
England - 2022 114 5.51%
Indonesia - 2022 122 5.90%
Japan - 2022 37 1.79%
Mexico - 2022 149 7.20%
Qatar - 2022 153 7.39%
Russia - 2022 148 7.15%
South Korea - 2022 23 1.11%
Spain / Portugal - 2022 184 8.89%
USA - 2022 249 12.03%
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Old June 21st, 2009, 11:11 PM   #5181
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Somehow I doubt FIFA will allow Sydney to have two stadiums. "West Sydney" is not going to cut it.
In a FIFA World Cup bid only one city is allowed to have two stadiums. That is what FIFA states in its rule book.
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 12:23 AM   #5182
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In a FIFA World Cup bid only one city is allowed to have two stadiums. That is what FIFA states in its rule book.
I'm aware of that and I'm assuming the two stadium city is going to be Melbourne.
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 06:36 AM   #5183
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Here is the website for Australia's 2018-2022 bid.

http://www.australia2018-2022.com.au/

I don't think anybody is under the illusion that we are favourites to win the bid. However, we will put forward a very strong bid. They played the video (at the above website) at half time of the Australia Japan game. It looks like a bit of money has already been spent. It appears as if they are really pushing the tourism side of the bid in an attempt to overcome the tyranny of distance, which is a big weakness.
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 08:48 AM   #5184
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the other option is to rebuild Parramatta stadium into a 40k to be used by the western sydney a-league team and use that and Homebush stadium.

Parramatta is a city in it's own right, that would leave Melbourne to be the city to have 2 stadiums used.
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 09:25 AM   #5185
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXC9czlkMwM
with the capacity to be able to uped to 70,000 aswell??
This is the proposed multi-purpose stadium to replace Subiaco Oval. Currently there is no guarantee that it will go ahead even though it seems the most logical solution. I believe it was proposed to be 60,000 with room to expand to 70,000.

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AFL venues suck for rectangular pitches. See also: Subiaco.
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Was that my point?
Your point might have been valid if you used an appropriate example. To say 'AFL venues suck for rectangular pitches' is fine if you back up your statement with an example. To provide Subiaco Oval as proof is incorrect as it is extremely unlikely to hold a FIFA World Cup game in its current form. This is a 'FIFA World Cup bid' thread isn't it. Perhaps a more appropriate example would be the MCG or any other AFL venue likely to hold a FIFA World Cup game.

*MCG hosting a football match
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 09:38 AM   #5186
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Here are some technical requirements for the 2018/22 bids stated by Frank Lowy:
http://www.australia2018-2022.com.au...il.aspx?view=3
Address by Mr Frank Lowy AC Chairman, Football Federation of Australia National Press Club, Canberra
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FIFA has stringent technical requirements which must be met. For the 2018 and 2022 bids, we have been advised that we must have:

• A minimum of 12 stadia, at least two of which must hold 80,000 fans
• 10 stadia which must hold a minimum of 45,000 fans
• Training facilities for 32 teams; and,
• Five-star accommodation for a minimum of four teams, the FIFA organisation and match officials in every host city.
And this was reported by a media outlet, but I can't seem to find a direct quote from Mr Buckley:
http://www.austadiums.com/news/news.php?id=393
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Mr Buckley yesterday confirmed the FFA's preferred option is for Australia to have 12 World Cup venues, with no more than two venues in each city.
This seems to me that the 'only one city may have two stadia' rule may not be true. Can anyone provide a quote from FIFA on this?
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 09:40 AM   #5187
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Here is the website for Australia's 2018-2022 bid.

http://www.australia2018-2022.com.au/

I don't think anybody is under the illusion that we are favourites to win the bid. However, we will put forward a very strong bid. They played the video (at the above website) at half time of the Australia Japan game. It looks like a bit of money has already been spent. It appears as if they are really pushing the tourism side of the bid in an attempt to overcome the tyranny of distance, which is a big weakness.
Here be the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezCpm...layer_embedded
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 03:22 PM   #5188
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Well Benelux 2018 is working intensively to influence the FIFA members. Ambassadors named: Christian Karembeu (French, good network in africa), Johan cruijf, Marco Van Basten, Ruud Gullit and frank rijkaard (probably also Guus Hiddink, but that's not sure concerning Russia 2018). Belgian ambassadors will be of course Jean marie pfaff, michel preud'homme and some other players.

new common site is launched: www.thebid.org
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 08:36 PM   #5189
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the other option is to rebuild Parramatta stadium into a 40k to be used by the western sydney a-league team and use that and Homebush stadium.

Parramatta is a city in it's own right, that would leave Melbourne to be the city to have 2 stadiums used.
True, technicaly speaking, Sydney City is only a small part of the Sydney metropolitan area. Even ANZ stadium (Auburn) and Sydney Football Stadium (Sydney City) are in different local government areas, so I'm wondering how strict FIFA is with the one stadium per city rule? Do they actually refer to local government areas, or to metropolitan areas?
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 09:52 PM   #5190
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True, technicaly speaking, Sydney City is only a small part of the Sydney metropolitan area. Even ANZ stadium (Auburn) and Sydney Football Stadium (Sydney City) are in different local government areas, so I'm wondering how strict FIFA is with the one stadium per city rule? Do they actually refer to local government areas, or to metropolitan areas?
i think it's government area. although they like a wide geographical spread, hence why leipzig was chosen in Germany ahead of bigger built stadiums in Monchengladbach, Bremen and Dusseldorf (which iirc is Germany's media capital...
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 05:33 AM   #5191
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That's nice in theory but you're bidding with the crutch of having just hosted. If FIFA wants to go to Asia they're going to Australia unless South Korea can provide something unbelievable that's impossible for FIFA to overlook. Using past stadiums isn't going to cut it. You'll need an enormous showpiece venue like Soccer City type venue exceeding 90,000 to have any chance.
(Read every single word of this post and see what I mean.)

Then they should have built the Seoul WC stadium at an 80,000 capacity. For a WC at Korea, Seoul would be used as a two-stadium city (there is a requirement where only one host city can have two stadiums, and Seoul is the only city that can handle the role). Seoul WC Stadium and the Olympic Stadium would serve as the venues (the latter can host the final). Another requirement is that two of the host cities must have stadiums larger than an 80,000 capacity. Decrease the required capacity to 70,000. Daegu WC Stadium has a 68000 capacity and that may be very close to 70,000. So I needs to ask one question: Can Seoul even support these three stadiums (Olympic Stadium, WC Stadium, and the 80000 stadium)? Let me get this off my chest: There is no way in hell that South Korea can build an 80,000-seat stadium, not even for South Korea to host the World Cup alone. And if South Korea builds that stadium, then it will be left as a BIG white elephant. The Seoul Olympic Stadium was advertised during the 1988 Olympics as having a capacity of 100,000 even though it doesn't look like it has that capacity. So South Korea can either use the near 70,000-seat Olympic Stadium as the final venue for a South Korea WC, or it can never host the WC in our lifetimes!

And one last thing: if South Korea wants to build any new venues for a WC, then they can build a new soccer stadium in Yeosu. Yeosu is hosting the 2012 World's Fair.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 04:07 PM   #5192
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The Russia bid

What towns are we talking about? Sure, a finale at Luzshniki Stadium and a semi and bronze-game at Gazprom Stadium in St. Petersburg would be fantastic. But what about the other games? Where will they be played?
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 04:36 PM   #5193
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 05:38 PM   #5194
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Haha, I would love that.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 06:35 PM   #5195
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The Russia bid

What towns are we talking about? Sure, a finale at Luzshniki Stadium and a semi and bronze-game at Gazprom Stadium in St. Petersburg would be fantastic. But what about the other games? Where will they be played?
+ Kazan (Stadium for Universiade 2013; 45000)
+ Sochi (Stadium for Olympic Games 2014; 40000)

"President of Russian Football Union and Minister of Sports, Vitaly Mutko, on the meeting with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, said the preliminary list of "football cities":

Moscow, St. Petersburg, cities of Moscow Region, Krasnodar, Yaroslavl, Kazan, Samara, Volgograd, Saransk, Ekaterinburg."

Better to wait official bid.

I marked this cities, + Sochi and Rostov-on-Don:



I hope there will be some kind of "South Cluster" with Sochi, Krasnodar, Rostov-on-Don, Volgograd, and possibly Novorossiysk (there are plans on 40,000 stadium) with constructed for OG-2014 and developed infrastructure.

Updated: General Director of RFU, Alexey Sorokin, has told that the Russian bid for WC 2018/2022 most likely will be represented by national team coach, Guus Hiddink.
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... Dusseldorf (which iirc is Germany's media capital...
You remember it incorrectly. Düsseldorf isn't even some kind of media capital in NRW.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 07:37 PM   #5197
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You remember it incorrectly. Düsseldorf isn't even some kind of media capital in NRW.
? Düsseldorf is definately one of the German media capitals, and one of it's main economical centres! It didn't get any games because of it's proximity to Cologne, Gelsenkirchen and Dortmund. Anyway, geographical spread is much harder in Australia because it has far fewer cities with the required population. It would be great if Australia could get away with 2 stadiums in both Melbourne and Sydney, and have a 10 or 12 stadium bid.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 09:58 PM   #5198
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? Düsseldorf is definately one of the German media capitals, ...
Just because you insist on it to be doesn't make it true. There is a single newspaper published in Düsseldorf which is nationwide significant. That alone doesn't make it a media centre of the whole country.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 06:24 PM   #5199
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I was wondering if there would be any chance of FIFA changing rules (specifically one city being able to have 2 venues to 3, or more than one city with 2 venues).

When were these rules made? And does FIFA usually change rules?
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When the situation arises I'm sure each case/host country will be considered in terms of only one city being "allowed" more than 1 venue.
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